Look at my new baby

Is it wrong for a hypothetical "me" to breed with the desire for darker coated, to the mahogany or black spectrum, Malinois? I do not prefer blonde dogs. "I" also trial my dogs in IPO, AKC Obed, Agility, as well as keep up on health testing and so forth.

How about if I do all of the above but I like a longer coat on my Malinois?

I agree, breeding ONLY for coat is a clear sign of a BYB, however most of the time people are breeding for more than JUST one aspect and we as a community like to pigeon hole them.

A husky. Typical name for any dog with a fluffy coat and blue eyes anyway. "Husky" is a type. He fits the type, although poorly because of his coat. Just some BYB designer dog, really. I doubt he'd even have the temperament of a Sibe. Like Zander, he will probably hold many Malamute characteristics as he ages. Anyone not familiar with the breed can't tell the difference between the two. "Husky" is a safe term, but not politically correct if you are referring to Sibes or Alaskans. Kinda the grey zone the public uses for describing any fluffy sled dog type.

And no, they didn't exist. You can search photos hundreds of years back, and reds never existed in the breeding of the Siberian Husky. They only cropped up during the Seppala scam when they were brought into the AKC. Woolys are much the same. Yes, they did come from SOMEWHERE. But not from the already-existing Sibes...and at the time, they weren't accepting outside blood from other breeds. Someone's Alaskans probably got into the gene pool somehow. Heavier, more freight-like Alaskans would probably carry Malamute. Thus the coat. Or that's the theory, anyway.

There's been a lot of problems with crossing Malamutes on Sibes, actually. I suspect that is what Zander is, too.

^ this. I'm glad most folks have calmed the heck down on this forum for the most part. Back when I was considering getting Finn from a sporter breeder I was attacked pretty viciously. Now, you can get your BC, or other breeds, from any breeder "type" and Chaz is usually cool with it. I'm glad for it, too.

There's a major difference here. Variation typically isn't a problem. I wouldn't mind if I saw someone breeding white or pinto Sibes. Some people have preferences.

But actively pursuing breeding of a major fault that does NOT contribute to the breed. If you want to make your own breed...go for it. But don't breed major faults INTO the breed, when the progress to be made is to breed them OUT.

The dogs may be loved, they may be healthy. Doesn't make the breeding ethical for the breed as a whole.

The one I interact with regularly does just fine with his full coat, and it absolutely does offer him protection, just as it would on a long-coated dog like a Collie, hairy Belgian, Berners, etc. Despite being altered, his coat resists burrs per his owners description and is difficult to wet down the to the skin. Rain and snow sit on top of his coat without soaking through. He gets properly groomed (de-shedded via brushing and blow out) regularly and is as active in the summer as all the other Huskies we've ever watched.

There are lots of long coated dogs with all weather coats that are far from useless. The woolie husky I know is no different just because he's a husky.

Good to hear this individual doesn't have problems. I'd have to see pictures to say if it was a true wooly or not. Variation exists in the Sibe coat. Some have more, some have less, and some get longer as they age. That's all normal, but it doesn't necessarily make them a true woolly. The coat texture and length make it a hazard to working dogs. If wet down to the skin, it will take a long time to dry, the skin doesn't breathe as well, it can get caught in harness, so on so forth.

It IS possible to get the length without the texture, but, again...not ideal at all. It's certainly not a crime of nature for them to exist, but it's a big red flag to see them bred.

I'm confused now. There is a long coated Sibe but not a Wooly sibe? Could you please explain in photos?

That's one of the reasons I didn't really post when I first joined. I was so happy though that when I got Traveler I didn't get a public hanging. I love how much the forum as a whole as loosened up and taken on a much more live and let live attitude without loosing any of the fun debates and discussions.

How about this goes to a new thread....... Poor puppy

As for LONG coats, like some collies I guess, no, those don't exist. Long for a Sibe, not long for a Malamute is what I'm talking about. But you usually see them on crosses of the two. Thus the theory of where Woolly came from, which can be as much coat as a Malamute or more.

Search of the Sibe, Malamute, Woolly and Sibe x Mal mix will give you all that info in Google pics. I can't say I'm comfortable pulling pics from other's sites.

Thanks but I was hoping it would validate your stance to be honest. I am all for learning but I'm not sure I'm buying what is being said on this particular topic. Like Emily said it's a bit too contradictory, sibes have no standard but this is out of standard, and it's hard to take at face value.

Alas, no worries, I've seen these go on for ages with other breeds.

Sibes DO have a standard, but everyone takes their own variation of it, like in other breeds. Show type is extreme, racing is extreme. Alaskan's only standard is the purpose they were bred for, like typical sport mixes. Huskies do not have a standard, as it's just a general type.

If you think Sibes don't have a standard, then you've even messed up the face value part and you're not going to learn very much. But that doesn't make my stance false.

What is the standard?


Cute puppy and interesting discussion but I really think it was rude to bring it up in OP's puppy thread.

This.

General overview of types: Link

AKC standard, except the temperament, fits well.

And originally I only brought up the fact that the breeding was a sign of a BYB, and I hoped the pup would grow into good health and decent temperament. Some don't. I figure everyone is deserving of a good fair warning. Then it didn't really matter, since OP actively sought out the fault and a breeder who actively perpetuates the fault.

Thread took on its own life from there.

I think people need to just calm down and enjoy the angry puppy pics.

Angry puppy is angry about his thread:

Funny how the standard mentions long coats, not as a DQ

Anyway, I love his angry looks! So cute <3