Look at my new baby

Luckily we do know someone with a dog from this breeder and he is 8 years old with no health problems and he is a good dog. So far these dogs have been great tons of energy but they get their run time for sure. It's insane when the whitey's are here. Really the only thing I have to watch for is them getting into the trash other then that no trouble with chewing or anything but they do get bully sticks and get plenty of new toys to keep them busy.

Adrianne, your new signature is the best thing I have ever seen in my entire life.

Funny I was about to say it was the most horrifying lol

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And this.

Hey now! I spent hours making that!

That's awesome! He's a gorgeous puppy, don't let judgement rain on your parade or make you feel bad... it sounds like you took wayyyyyyy more steps than any average puppy buyer to make sure you were going to a good breeder. No breeder is perfect, I've learned, and Lyzelle herself has stated that a reputable Sibe breeder is non-existent in the US.

Omg! We need pictures of the Husky puppy trio! That must be the most hilarious thing ever.

Lol!!! How did you do it?

Hahahahaha thank you, I love.

Ok, so... let's review. There is no true standard for Sibes, but woolies are against that standard, which again, does not exist. All Sibe breeders are BYB, but those breeding woolies are more BYB than all the other BYB because woolies are against the standard - which does not exist.

Listen, I know you must have reasons for saying what you do, but it's obvious that NO Sibe breeder is going to meet your approval, and that's why people are just throwing their hands up. If what you're saying is true, than breeding woolies is no worse that what every other Sibe breeder in the US does. People are still going to continue to buy and breed Sibes in the US regardless of whether or not you personally approve, and since they're apparently all "BYB" anyway, I can't see this pup's breeder being worse than all the rest of them.

Or IOW... where, pray tell, SHOULD she have gotten a puppy from that would have met your approval and have been a "true" Siberian Husky?

This.

To add... What is it about a wooly that is SO bad? Does it affect their health in anyway? Is it going to raise the possibility of them going blind, deaf etc? The reason I'm so against merleXmerle breeding is because it can cause deaf and blindness. But coat to me is a different story unless its going to cause some bad health issue or physical deformity... Doesn't seem super likely that that is the case though correct me if I'm wrong. As long as this breeder is doing health testing on their dogs and the parents have a great temperament and the OP feels confident in this breeder and has done her research on the breeder then I fail to see why its such a bad thing and I'm sad that her puppy introductory thread has shifted into a thread about whether or not her breeder is a crappy byb.

We have a woolie who's a regular in daycare. He's healthy as a horse. And very hairy! LOL

It's really sad that I KNEW this thread would have drama since it was on page 5 and in the picture section

Anyway, I love your angry little sibe puppy! He's adorable, and I find it hilarious that their eyebrows can make them look so angry as puppers!

Also, from what's been said: Sibes don't really have a breed standard.

If we're going off that, I kind of put them in the "doesn't matter what they look like as long as they can work."

Here is an AKC show border collie:



And here is Rory, my (gorgeous) ABCA border collie from working lines:

20120218-DSC_5902 by Chihuahuaesque, on Flickr

Does he look anything like the photo of the dog being shown? Well, no, but he's still a BC. Rory is the look I prefer. He's not stocky, not evenly fluffed, has pricked ears, but to me... THIS is what the BC I want looks like.

Can you imagine how much poop gets stuck in those woollies ? That's about the only down fall I can think of. It doesn't sound like these dogs are being bred dysplastic and blind because they're typey of the woolie ideal.

LOL I'll have to check Koda the woolie for dingleberries next time he comes in! :rofl1:

And pics please. Not of the dingleberries of course.

Alight, new comparison.

Original breed standard, from way back when, did not include woolies OR reds. They simply didn't exist. Reds got bred in anyway, and generally speaking, an awesome working dog can't be a bad color unless it affects working ability and health. Right. Woolies DO affect working ability and CAN (though not always) affect health. The coat texture is not the same, the length makes for more matting, skin issues ranging from yeast infections to (in which the Sibe already has major problems), and overheating. A normal Sibe coat will protect from the heat and the cold. A wooly coat is exactly that...wooly. Its texture is useless in keeping the dog cool, and if shaved, they will quickly freeze at anything below 70F. It's a high maintenance dog with no purpose in life other than looking pretty.

Besides the fact, of course, that woolies DID NOT exist in the Sibe breed originally, and no one knows where they really originated. It's a major fault for working dogs, and this breed IS a working breed. If they don't have the temperament, standard or even the pedigree...what is it worth to the breed?

Akin to the Silver Lab problem, I guess.

So breeding for it AND calling the resulting dogs Sibes? No, that's not anyone interested in the betterment of the breed. That's someone looking to make a quick buck off of a "pretty" dog. Health contracts aren't uncommon, even in BYBers. Most just say the dog won't have anything wrong with it, and that's it. It doesn't mean they test for anything like hips, elbows, CERF, etc. Nor does it mean that it protects the dogs or owners should anything pop up. After all, who's to say hip dysplasia came from too much exercise, and not the parents? It makes you feel good about making a bad choice, but it doesn't mean anything.

I'm sorry if you all think it is drama, but I'll happily educate people on my breed. She may have already gotten the dog, and even sought out this fault (like many will seek out White Dobes, Silver Labs, etc), but that doesn't mean I couldn't step in, tell her what was up, and hope she didn't continue supporting it just because "it's cute".

Just because there are very, very few reputable Sibe breeders out there breeding for the best of the breed, it doesn't mean that it is perfectly okay to seek out someone who is purposely breeding and selling dogs that holds up the progress.

Are you sure it *never* happened? In most every breed with a coat fluffys or woolys can pop up.

Is a coated corgi ideal? Nope but to say it's unreal? meh.

It's a common claim, xx never existed in yy breed, but most of the time it's actually a falsity.

This is really pure curiosity, what should she call the dog if she can't call him a Sibe? What would be an appropriate name for him?

I do not know anything about sibe breeders but I am saddened by the tone of some of these posts that are pretty much meh, breeding for what ever you want is ok.

I am assuming breeding for "wolly sibes" would be similar to breeding for chocolate, fawniquin, etc danes...a BIG sign of BYBs

I think it's much more that a lot of people on this board have come to the conclusion there are a ton of breeders out there and very few can ever be agreed upon as reputable. So the lectures, BYB labeling and general "Lets attack the person with the new puppy" is reserved for the few breeders we can all pretty much agree suck.

There are C/Koolie breeders I'm not fond of and wouldn't call reputable but if someone got a puppy from one of the ones I personally don't agree with I wouldn't go after them in there puppy thread.