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Well, you also underestimate many kennels. Do you think that none of these places that deal in dogs as a profession can handle a difficult dog?

My last Malinois was not easily handled by strangers. We would board him at a place where he had a covered indoor/outdoor run that he was never taken out of. His kennel was cleaned by tossing treats in one end or the other, then blocking him in or out so that he wouldn't come into contact with the kennel workers. Only the owner of the kennel was allowed to handle him. He didn't like her, but she was experienced enough that she could get him out and deal with him if needed.

Quality kennels exist, you just have to find them.
I guess, but coming from my viewpoint as a pit bull owner, where having a bite risk dog is potentially fatal to the animal, I would never ever consider leaving a fear aggressive dog at a boarders. For me, it's either tied up outside with someone living inside the house watching them, or leave them with friends.
 

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Yes, but if you had a dog that was a friggin' BITE RISK, which would you choose? There would be no way I would ever leave a fear aggressive dog at a boarder and to suggest that is irresponsible, IMO.
I'd chose not to go on vacation, or I'd find a person I could trust.

Vacation = traveling for pleasure. I would be a nervous WRECK leaving my dog outside. To me, it's irresponsible to leave your dog outside for a week because you want to go on vacation.
 

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I'd chose not to go on vacation, or I'd find a person I could trust.

Vacation = traveling for pleasure. I would be a nervous WRECK leaving my dog outside. To me, it's irresponsible to leave your dog outside for a week because you want to go on vacation.
I've had outside dogs, and her dogs are outside anyways. So they weren't "left outside", they were there anyways.
 
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There's no way on god's green earth I would leave a fear aggressive dog tied up in my yard and go on vacation. The idea that that's better than leaving him with professionals whose job it is to handle dogs truly just does not compute to me.
 

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I've had outside dogs, and her dogs are outside anyways. So they weren't "left outside", they were there anyways.
I won't touch on the first part, since I think that dogs need to be inside...

So having a "person inside" to watch the bite risk dog is okay? That's not risky? But having a professional watching the dog IS risky?

Oy vey.

Again, a vacation is traveling for pleasure. Leaving my dogs outside and unattended would ruin all of my fun on vacation.
 

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I don't think there is a thing wrong with having a 100% outside dog.
Just to clarify, my comments are not separate from the OP of this thread.
Barbara, just curious, what is the point of having a 100% outside dog that’s not a working dog (ie: LGB)?
And this is coming from someone who’s dogs spend a LOT of time outside with and without human company.
 

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I guess, but coming from my viewpoint as a pit bull owner, where having a bite risk dog is potentially fatal to the animal, I would never ever consider leaving a fear aggressive dog at a boarders. For me, it's either tied up outside with someone living inside the house watching them, or leave them with friends.

Yes, I'm a Pit Bull owner, too. And, Serenity is not a Pit Bull. Pit Bulls have nothing to do with this situation.

If you are worried about a dog biting random people, it's safer to leave the dog in the hands of an experienced handler than it is to leave them in your yard.
 

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Well, you also underestimate many kennels. Do you think that none of these places that deal in dogs as a profession can handle a difficult dog?

My last Malinois was not easily handled by strangers. We would board him at a place where he had a covered indoor/outdoor run that he was never taken out of. His kennel was cleaned by tossing treats in one end or the other, then blocking him in or out so that he wouldn't come into contact with the kennel workers. Only the owner of the kennel was allowed to handle him. He didn't like her, but she was experienced enough that she could get him out and deal with him if needed.

Quality kennels exist, you just have to find them.
Good post!

I have had to leave my dogs for a couple days. Our family friend who lives next door to my parent's cared for them. By next door I mean several pastures over, lol.
My mom usually watches them, they go to work with her, etc.
However with us both going on a roadtrip together, me not wanting my stepdad to have anything to do with their care (he is not trustworthy and I very much do not care for his management/care of his BC), and her 12yr old GSD working line GSD that didn't care for other dogs still being alive pretty much the only solution meant that they stayed on their tie-outs at home (much safer than any zip tie I've seen) and our family friend fed/exercised/etc.
They got two runs in the pasture a day, she did fine feeding them their raw meals, and she even brushed them twice for me! They were fine on their tie-out's. They did not do any nuisance behaviors or anything like that, however note they weren't on them 24/7 and got ample off leash exercise/interaction with someone I trust.

I have had to emergency board my dogs at my vet before. They did a great job with them and followed my instructions to a t. I would feel very comfortable leaving a dog there again, but financially its nowhere near my first choice.

If I had a dog that wasn't social like Harry (Staffinois' last Mal), I would board it with my trainer if I had to go somewhere because he's very experienced with dogs that don't like strangers. His male Malinois is actually like that, but his female is pretty social with people.
 

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Frankly I'm WAY confused about whether the mom was there at the house too, or if the brother was the one taking care of the dogs. Something about the story just isn't adding up, to me, though maybe it's because this was posted in panic.

I'm really not being harsh, though I do suppose it's quite judgmental to say "you shouldn't have done that". But really. REALLY. You shouldn't have done that. You KNOW your dog is a bite case, yet you leave it on a zipline in your yard under the supervision of some family member, either a brother or your mother who doesn't seem to like dogs. ... What?

I understand leaving dogs with parents - I left my service dog in the care of my parents for almost 3 months while I visited a friend in Ohio. I'm not questioning the decision to leave the dogs outside, I'm questioning the decision to leave the BITE RISK DOG with a less-than-competent caretaker. Boarding kennels often hire people who understand and respect a dog's bite threshold, and I'd feel more comfortable leaving a bite-risk dog at a kennel than with family who might not understand how to deal with it.

It costs money, but if money is such a big issue then why is an international vacation being planned in the first place?
 

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I won't touch on the first part, since I think that dogs need to be inside...

So having a "person inside" to watch the bite risk dog is okay? That's not risky? But having a professional watching the dog IS risky?

Oy vey.

Again, a vacation is traveling for pleasure. Leaving my dogs outside and unattended would ruin all of my fun on vacation.
No, it's not risky when the person watching knows the dogs.

Yes, I'm a Pit Bull owner, too. And, Serenity is not a Pit Bull. Pit Bulls have nothing to do with this situation.

If you are worried about a dog biting random people, it's safer to leave the dog in the hands of an experienced handler than it is to leave them in your yard.
They have nothing to do with the conversation but I was explaining how owning a pit bull effects my view point. I disagree, I would find it safer to leave them tied while being watched by someone they KNOW, rather than in a strange place with strange people. But as you said, I guess it all depends on finding the right kennel. I personally, will never board my dogs.


Just to clarify, my comments are not separate from the OP of this thread.
Barbara, just curious, what is the point of having a 100% outside dog that’s not a working dog (ie: LGB)?
And this is coming from someone who’s dogs spend a LOT of time outside with and without human company.
The point? I don't understand what you mean? If the dog is not allowed inside, where else is it to go? I have had many strictly outside dogs in my lifetime.
 

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RD, her mother is on vacation with her. They were left with her responsible brother, who is competent enough to watch them. She did not leave them with anybody incompetent.
 

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Barbara, just curious, what is the point of having a 100% outside dog that’s not a working dog (ie: LGB)?
And this is coming from someone who’s dogs spend a LOT of time outside with and without human company.
The point? I don't understand what you mean? If the dog is not allowed inside, where else is it to go? I have had many strictly outside dogs in my lifetime.
Why is the dog not allowed inside?
What’s the point in bringing a companion animal in to your life if you’re never going to allow the animal in your home?

Don’t get me wrong. I have known many “outside only†dogs who are exceptionally well taken care of, but they were either working dogs, hunting dogs, something other than family companions.
 

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Why is the dog not allowed inside?
What’s the point in bringing a companion animal in to your life if you’re never going to allow the animal in your home?

Don’t get me wrong. I have known many “outside only†dogs who are exceptionally well taken care of, but they were either working dogs, hunting dogs, something other than family companions.
I don't agree with outdoor dogs, but perhaps only being 20 and living with your mothers rules may have something to do with it.........
 

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Bandit had to live outside the first 3 years of his life. I was young (LOL STILL AM!) and didn't have direct control over that.

I'm not even sure what to make of the situation other than this is incredibly sad. :(
 

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Why is the dog not allowed inside?
What’s the point in bringing a companion animal in to your life if you’re never going to allow the animal in your home?

Don’t get me wrong. I have known many “outside only†dogs who are exceptionally well taken care of, but they were either working dogs, hunting dogs, something other than family companions.
Why do you think you can't have a companion animal outside...? I'm not understanding your questions because they are suggesting that companion animals do not have a place outside, which I completely disagree with. When I had my outside dogs, they were outside because my house was MUCH to small for them to be inside (it was the size of a two car garage), but I had a huge yard. And I wanted dogs. I know many people that have dogs outside because they simply do not believe that dogs belong inside...and who am I to judge that belief? They are in no way being cruel or negligent to their dogs, so I don't see an issue.
 

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I don't agree with outdoor dogs, but perhaps only being 20 and living with your mothers rules may have something to do with it.........
I specifically said I was NOT talking about the OP. Barbara said she saw nothing wrong with a dog being a strictly outdoor dog and I’m open to trying to understand the reasoning behind that.
 
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My opinion? If I had to keep a dog outside to live somewhere, I wouldnt have a dog. Sucks but the dog's needs come before my wants.

(I am not talking temporary situation here....like emergency pops up and you make do for a certain amount of time)
 

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My opinion? If I had to keep a dog outside to live somewhere, I wouldnt have a dog. Sucks but the dog's needs come before my wants.

(I am not talking temporary situation here....like emergency pops up and you make do for a certain amount of time)
How does a dog being outside effect it's needs?
 

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Why do you think you can't have a companion animal outside...? I'm not understanding your questions because they are suggesting that companion animals do not have a place outside, which I completely disagree with. When I had my outside dogs, they were outside because my house was MUCH to small for them to be inside (it was the size of a two car garage), but I had a huge yard. And I wanted dogs. I know many people that have dogs outside because they simply do not believe that dogs belong inside...and who am I to judge that belief? They are in no way being cruel or negligent to their dogs, so I don't see an issue.
Yeah... still trying to understand... Nope... not seeing it...

So basically YOU want a dog, but you don’t want the dog in your house (don’t talk to me about space, I fit 2 danes, an 80 pound mutt, a 55 pound mutt, 4 humans and sometimes a large cat all in a 1500 square foot house). So, you want a dog, you don’t want the dog in the house, so you’re going to make sure you get what you want and screw the dog’s needs?

If you told me you were Muslim and that’s your religion, maybe...
If you told me your infant child had allergies, maybe...

But just because?
Ugh...
 

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Not commenting on the OP now, but I had to say something.

1. When I was growing up we had an outside dog. Who lived outside 24/7 for her whole life except on really cold nights. Who lived to be 14. I had no choice in the matter, to my parents dogs belonged outside. Oreo lived a decent life imo - not perfect, but she was happy and well cared for. Outside =/= neglected.

2. When I was out of town recently my dogs, GASP, stayed outside in kennel runs by themselves for a weekend. We had a petsitter come by 3 times/day to exercise and check on them and they were happy as could be. Again outside =/= neglect.

3. Finding a safe kennel for a bite risk dog *can* be very difficult depending on your location. Here and in my hometown I have had a hard time finding a kennel that can safely contain escape artists and is ok with intact females (not in heat, just intact), let alone one that I would trust with a bite risk dog. The lack of appropriate boarding kennels in my home town is *why* my dogs were kenneled while I was out of town recently - it was waaaay safer for them than being kenneled at a place with untopped runs, leash walks in unfenced areas for exercise, and a facility with a single 4' perimeter fence between the boarding dogs and a 4-6 lane highway. :p
 

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