Please send good thoughts to my dogs, I'm terrified.
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Ok so you did say extreme, but I stand by the fact that you feel that a dog that's "life is affected" by it should be euthanized but your ok with a bite risk dog being left tethered in a yard with minimal supervision...
I find that confusing....
Sorry for getting off topic, it's just been bugging me...
And I never said that I didn't think that Serenity should be considered for being PTS, Tahlia actually had this discussion with herself and her friends a while ago, and decided against it because Serenity has made leaps and bounds in improving. Tahlia knows my stance on it, but what she does with her dog is exactly that...what SHE does with HER dog. Hope that makes sense.
It's not the tether itself I'd be concerned about, but anyways... I can see you'll never see the way you contradict yourself at times, so carry on.. I am just killing time on here between watching my favorite thing in the world, Dirt Late Models at Eldora Speedway... Not going to get drug in and ruin a fun night
Barb is right. I made the decision I was going to put her down but I know I wouldn't be able to live with myself if I didn't put more effort in to her first. So, I said I'd give her this year and if I think I can continue on with a dog like her and she is improving and her fear isn't affecting her life, I would keep her. I am not against putting a dog down who I truly think is better off not being here.
Though, as Barb mentioned, Serenity is making leaps and bounds. She is doing amazing. I couldn't ask for better progress. I can see her much happier and comfortable she is with the work we are doing.
Though, as Barb mentioned, Serenity is making leaps and bounds. She is doing amazing. I couldn't ask for better progress. I can see her much happier and comfortable she is with the work we are doing.
Really? We're going for this then? Ok.
First off I apologize for how this is formatted I have no idea how to do this many quotes without it being kind of confusing.
That's cool. Except you had said this earlier:
Is the tarp on or off. If they put it on and secured it when they put the dogs in you shouldn't have been that worried about it.
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Then we get all these:
So a friend was there but your mom didn't want her in the house so your responsible brother took over.
But later AFTER that was said you say
Was your friend there the whole time? According to the earlier posts she wasn't and it ended up being your brother checking in to feed and water the dogs. But this last post from you states she was there at the home THE WHOLE TIME. THE WHOLE TIME. If your friend wasn't there after your mom asked her to leave THEY WERE UNSUPERVISED.
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These friends can't take them. What about the friend that was there THE WHOLE TIME. You trusted her to watch them but now you don't trust her to take them to be boarded for one night? Even though multiple people have said that boarding places, and I'm sure vets offices, are use to aggressive dogs? If you explained your dogs were in a potentially deadly situation I don't see either of these places, especially a vet, saying no to one night.
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If you are that unsure about it you should have used whatever you are online with posting here and looking up vets and boarding facilities in that area and finding a place for your dogs to go for one night. Your friends and family can't take them but if your dogs are comfortable with them like you say they are they should be fine enough to drive them to a vet/boarders place one way.
I feel for these dogs and I hope nothing happens to them but with this attitude and the obvious 'I'm in the right and was responsible' and 'You guys are dog nazis'. I think it's more a matter of when something else happens to these dogs not if.
Like I said earlier I'm sorry if I'm coming off as bullying or harsh and I'm willing to take my time out if mods thing I'm being to 'mean'. But I take breaks from here every once in a while and every time I come back I see horrible situations where dog owners who come on here looking for 'sympathy' and 'vibes' end up just throwing advice out the window and the dog suffers. Search Binn and Reggin and read up, what you can find any way. So I'm sorry if all of these inconsistencies set off red flags in my mind but this is a giant deja vu moment for me.
First off I apologize for how this is formatted I have no idea how to do this many quotes without it being kind of confusing.
That's cool. Except you had said this earlier:
Is the tarp on or off. If they put it on and secured it when they put the dogs in you shouldn't have been that worried about it.
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Then we get all these:
So a friend was there but your mom didn't want her in the house so your responsible brother took over.
But later AFTER that was said you say
Was your friend there the whole time? According to the earlier posts she wasn't and it ended up being your brother checking in to feed and water the dogs. But this last post from you states she was there at the home THE WHOLE TIME. THE WHOLE TIME. If your friend wasn't there after your mom asked her to leave THEY WERE UNSUPERVISED.
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These friends can't take them. What about the friend that was there THE WHOLE TIME. You trusted her to watch them but now you don't trust her to take them to be boarded for one night? Even though multiple people have said that boarding places, and I'm sure vets offices, are use to aggressive dogs? If you explained your dogs were in a potentially deadly situation I don't see either of these places, especially a vet, saying no to one night.
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If you are that unsure about it you should have used whatever you are online with posting here and looking up vets and boarding facilities in that area and finding a place for your dogs to go for one night. Your friends and family can't take them but if your dogs are comfortable with them like you say they are they should be fine enough to drive them to a vet/boarders place one way.
I feel for these dogs and I hope nothing happens to them but with this attitude and the obvious 'I'm in the right and was responsible' and 'You guys are dog nazis'. I think it's more a matter of when something else happens to these dogs not if.
Like I said earlier I'm sorry if I'm coming off as bullying or harsh and I'm willing to take my time out if mods thing I'm being to 'mean'. But I take breaks from here every once in a while and every time I come back I see horrible situations where dog owners who come on here looking for 'sympathy' and 'vibes' end up just throwing advice out the window and the dog suffers. Search Binn and Reggin and read up, what you can find any way. So I'm sorry if all of these inconsistencies set off red flags in my mind but this is a giant deja vu moment for me.
My friend was at the house the entire time until this happened and then my brother took over but he only went to the house to feed them.
My friend lives at home with her mum and siblings so she can't take the dogs back there, there house doesn't allow dogs ether. My other friends parents wont allow her to take the dogs. Other then them two, the dogs have no where else to go.
I had planned to ring boarding places but after talking to mum and figuring things out, we both think they'll be fine where they are. We have a few reasons to believe they might not raid at the moment since new information popped up. They are locked up and a distance from the house.
When they were first put in there, the tarp wasn't fixed up but my friend fixed it up for me.
My friend lives at home with her mum and siblings so she can't take the dogs back there, there house doesn't allow dogs ether. My other friends parents wont allow her to take the dogs. Other then them two, the dogs have no where else to go.
I had planned to ring boarding places but after talking to mum and figuring things out, we both think they'll be fine where they are. We have a few reasons to believe they might not raid at the moment since new information popped up. They are locked up and a distance from the house.
When they were first put in there, the tarp wasn't fixed up but my friend fixed it up for me.
Wow. I'm a little late to the party, I see...
But yall are SUCH a bunch of hypocrites!
Let's see... I commented on a thread about a shy dog, saying that I think fearful dogs should be euthanized and I get jumped for turning a "cute picture thread" into something else. This was a thread asking for good thoughts to be sent, that Tahlia's dogs would remain safe... and yall have turned it into a discussion about her dog needing to be euth'ed. Who made the reference to the pot and kettle? Because we need it again.
But most importantly... Where the bloody hell do yall get off thinking you have the right to tell someone how to keep their dog if they choose to go on holiday? YOU have your methods, OTHER people have theirs. Just because YOU think it's deplorable and abusive to leave a dog outside does NOT mean everyone agrees with you. Just because YOU would send your dog to a boarding facility, to be handled by strangers and in the presence of countless other unknown dogs with lord knows WHAT diseases/parasites does NOT mean everyone agrees with you. Just because someone doesn't agree with YOU does not make THEM wrong!!
But yall are SUCH a bunch of hypocrites!
Let's see... I commented on a thread about a shy dog, saying that I think fearful dogs should be euthanized and I get jumped for turning a "cute picture thread" into something else. This was a thread asking for good thoughts to be sent, that Tahlia's dogs would remain safe... and yall have turned it into a discussion about her dog needing to be euth'ed. Who made the reference to the pot and kettle? Because we need it again.
But most importantly... Where the bloody hell do yall get off thinking you have the right to tell someone how to keep their dog if they choose to go on holiday? YOU have your methods, OTHER people have theirs. Just because YOU think it's deplorable and abusive to leave a dog outside does NOT mean everyone agrees with you. Just because YOU would send your dog to a boarding facility, to be handled by strangers and in the presence of countless other unknown dogs with lord knows WHAT diseases/parasites does NOT mean everyone agrees with you. Just because someone doesn't agree with YOU does not make THEM wrong!!
About the same place you get off thinking that any shy/timid dog needs to be killed...?
Totally love how you are getting super indignant about what other people do when you barged in on another thread doing pretty much the same **** thing. Love how the "YOU have your methods, OTHER people have theirs (sic)" thing swings in your favor when it suits you. And you call the rest of the forum hypocrites? Glass houses...stones...etc. :rofl1:
Totally love how you are getting super indignant about what other people do when you barged in on another thread doing pretty much the same **** thing. Love how the "YOU have your methods, OTHER people have theirs (sic)" thing swings in your favor when it suits you. And you call the rest of the forum hypocrites? Glass houses...stones...etc. :rofl1:
Well, Serenity will be staying kenneled from now on when I work because I know there is a possibility there could be a raid in the future.. I just don't know what to do with Sunny. I really don't know about putting them together, for that long, everyday.. I was just thinking of chaining him up, away from the house so he isn't in the way if a raid happens. I am hoping to get a bigger kennel but I need to save first.
And with that. I'm pretty much done with this thread. Thanks for those who gave good vibes, the dogs are safe and sound and I'll be back with my mutts tomorrow morning. I am looking forward to it, they will be getting lots of cuddles, treats, exercise, training and some fun.
I don't regret my choice because I know my dogs were happy at home but if I travel again, I will have back up plans.
Serenity will be kenneled from now on to keep her safe. Sunny, I'm not to sure what will happen with him yet.
I don't regret my choice because I know my dogs were happy at home but if I travel again, I will have back up plans.
Serenity will be kenneled from now on to keep her safe. Sunny, I'm not to sure what will happen with him yet.
I don't judge you for the situation you left your dogs in. You have a fenced yard. It's not like your let your dogs roam, or chain them up in an unfenced yard subjecting them to the whole world. I'm sure they have proper shelter, food, water and are obviously very loved so I can't judge... but I also can't agree with "outside dogs" unless they are working dogs and their owner is outside with them all day. I appreciate that different countries/areas have different customs and it's common in Australia for dogs to be outside a lot. I would recommend trying to get the dogs to come inside, even just at night and for a few hours during the day. Having an outdoor dog REALLY does increase the instance of aggression and fear. The more time Serenity spends with you, and around other people & being worked with in a calm space, the less she will fear people.
I'm really glad the dogs are ok! And I'm glad you'll be boarding them next time. Kennels might seem ominous, but there are a lot of EXCELLENT kennels out there. I managed a pet hotel and we took in several aggressive dogs, who I only was allowed to handle, and who were managed very safely and kept very happy. Many of them actually became super friendly with us after a few visits, and lots of treats and positive experiences. I would recommend a situation like Stafinois recommended, with indoor/outdoor areas that can be blocked off in the middle for cleaning each side. I'm sure your dogs would be happier in their own home... but as far as safety, a good, licensed kennel is much safer for them.
I have to agree with you on that, Teal! But it's just the nature of most any forum/community. People tend to jump on a bandwagon and go into attack mode, repeating the same things over and over with more and more viciousness and exaggeration. It's annoying, tiring and can end up targeting one person and hurting their feelings, but I've learned that you have to let it go. If we all agreed on everything this would be a boring place.
I'm really glad the dogs are ok! And I'm glad you'll be boarding them next time. Kennels might seem ominous, but there are a lot of EXCELLENT kennels out there. I managed a pet hotel and we took in several aggressive dogs, who I only was allowed to handle, and who were managed very safely and kept very happy. Many of them actually became super friendly with us after a few visits, and lots of treats and positive experiences. I would recommend a situation like Stafinois recommended, with indoor/outdoor areas that can be blocked off in the middle for cleaning each side. I'm sure your dogs would be happier in their own home... but as far as safety, a good, licensed kennel is much safer for them.
I have to agree with you on that, Teal! But it's just the nature of most any forum/community. People tend to jump on a bandwagon and go into attack mode, repeating the same things over and over with more and more viciousness and exaggeration. It's annoying, tiring and can end up targeting one person and hurting their feelings, but I've learned that you have to let it go. If we all agreed on everything this would be a boring place.
Thank you. I've heard of a few good kennels around here, I should check them out actually.
o, this world would defiantly be a boring place if everyone agreed with everything.
I guess you missed it but both my dogs (thats alright) but both the dogs sleep inside at night and when I am home and in my room, they also come and go as they please from my room when I'm in it. I love my dogs being inside, I moved out the back to the shed so they could come inside with me.
o, this world would defiantly be a boring place if everyone agreed with everything.
I guess you missed it but both my dogs (thats alright) but both the dogs sleep inside at night and when I am home and in my room, they also come and go as they please from my room when I'm in it. I love my dogs being inside, I moved out the back to the shed so they could come inside with me.
I don't really have scientific proof. I suppose I could google it, but I don't feel like it. 
My behaviorist mentor, who has her PhD and has helped thousands of aggressive dogs using only positive methods, is adamant about aggressive dogs not being left as outside dogs. Preferably not being left outside alone at all. My BC used to be very fear aggressive, would bark at passing people and work himself into a frenzy, and he was outside most of the day as we had a dog door and weren't home a lot. I feel like it's just common sense. The more time she spends around people, getting positive feedback/experiences and being taught what is expected of her, the less fearful she will be. Hearing/seeing people while outside alone and getting no kind of reinforcement from her owner can cause negative associations. When working with a fearful dog, you want to set the dog up for success, make every experience with people positive, and control their environment as much as you can. Leaving a dog outside alone, especially tethered, can increase fear and frustration of the outside world. Plus, the more time you spend WITH your dog, the more chance you have to bond with them, gain their truth, and work with them!
I'm happy to hear that the dogs do come inside with you. I kind of skipped some the thread as it got repetitive.
My behaviorist mentor, who has her PhD and has helped thousands of aggressive dogs using only positive methods, is adamant about aggressive dogs not being left as outside dogs. Preferably not being left outside alone at all. My BC used to be very fear aggressive, would bark at passing people and work himself into a frenzy, and he was outside most of the day as we had a dog door and weren't home a lot. I feel like it's just common sense. The more time she spends around people, getting positive feedback/experiences and being taught what is expected of her, the less fearful she will be. Hearing/seeing people while outside alone and getting no kind of reinforcement from her owner can cause negative associations. When working with a fearful dog, you want to set the dog up for success, make every experience with people positive, and control their environment as much as you can. Leaving a dog outside alone, especially tethered, can increase fear and frustration of the outside world. Plus, the more time you spend WITH your dog, the more chance you have to bond with them, gain their truth, and work with them!
I'm happy to hear that the dogs do come inside with you.
I kind of skipped some the thread as it got repetitive.