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and you can provide yourself many meals by planting your own veggies for a fraction of the cost. seeds are not expensive... some soil... basically the rest is up to you and you can get a surplus of food from that.
if you own a home maybe. my land lord said no to a garden .
i could go the container route , but simply do not have the money for the suplies . containers/soil/fertilizer are not in the budget. factor in the time and i am screwed. i work 84 hours a week on my work week and have two weeks of house/errends/kids stuff to cram into my off week.

i want a garden so bad. i love to grow things , but alas i just cant fit it in .
 

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if you own a home maybe. my land lord said no to a garden .
i could go the container route , but simply do not have the money for the suplies . containers/soil/fertilizer are not in the budget. factor in the time and i am screwed. i work 84 hours a week on my work week and have two weeks of house/errends/kids stuff to cram into my off week.

i want a garden so bad. i love to grow things , but alas i just cant fit it in .
well you might be able to fashion containers out of things you already own like old tupperware maybe and things like that.

but even if you can't have a garden you can still buy produce in stores at a pretty decent price but it doesn't HAVE to be organic for it to be healthy. basically that was my point

*disclaimer* everything I say about gardens is purely speculation as the only successful garden I have ever had was when I was a child and my mom did all the work LOL
 

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well you might be able to fashion containers out of things you already own like old tupperware maybe and things like that.

but even if you can't have a garden you can still buy produce in stores at a pretty decent price but it doesn't HAVE to be organic for it to be healthy. basically that was my point
Yep--and I've seen gardening supplies at garage sales for cheeeaaaapppp....

Sometimes farmer's markets can be cheaper than supermarkets....
 

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THey got those bags that hang upside down. It's crazy looking but it works.

As to babyfood in jars, my kids grew up with the good old food mill. THey all grew up to be adults with strong straight bones, and healthy systems so I must have done something right. You sure know looking at Hyia that she is not deprived.
 

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HEHEHE i hear ya sparks , i do buy regular produce from a SAV-A-LOT. the cheapest grocer around because they keep there stores small and only provide generic brands.

i actually love my SAV-A-LOT , they really sav us moola.
compare
regular chain store Winn-Dixie~ cost 300 to shop for a week. getting there value brand
Sav a lot we only spend 200 , same items diffrent brands.
 

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WHen you said 200 were you meaning a month or a week? I don't possibly see how you could feed that many children on 200 a month. We are careful and are fine until the last day but it would be hard for it to be less or more people.
 

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I wash my own produce well and when I have a garden plan to do so without pesticides come hell or high water. It seems that they have found an increased risk of Parkinson's in people exposed to certain pesticides. My grandmother died of Parkinson's 6 years ago and it was a horrible thing to watch. She was an avid gardener most of her adult life and did use pesticides. When we cleaned out her garage after her death there were a couple a cabinets full of various pesticides--all she used to protect herself was cloth gardening gloves.
 

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WHen you said 200 were you meaning a month or a week? I don't possibly see how you could feed that many children on 200 a month. We are careful and are fine until the last day but it would be hard for it to be less or more people.
WEEK.
thankfully my hubby drives a cab as a second job and we eat every night. late sometimes but we eat
 
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WIC give organic milk, or organic fruits and veggies? Umm...HELLZ NO. Never in a million, billion years would I support this. WIC is supposed to be a NEED, not a WANT. There are tons of people out there who are not on government assistance, and can't afford to buy organic for themselves. How is it fair for them to pay for somebody *else* to buy it?
But organic food is a want. you don't need to buy organic to make healthy choices. so no... I'm not for WIC or foodstamps providing organic.
^^^ Agree with both above.

and it is NEED based .
Right Bogart .... and yes, there certainly is a NEED for healthy foods such as fresh produce and meat. But what Gempress is saying and Sparks clarified, is that organically-grown fruits and vegetables, beef from cows fed only on organic meadow grass, free-range chicken, eggs from free-range chickens, etc., etc. ... is the WANT they meant.

I'm all for tax dollars providing people in need with a "hand up", absolutely! But not a "hand out". I would define "hand out" as when it starts being about personal preferences that follow what's trendy and that have more basis in personal "wants" rather than "need". GlassOnion has already provided ample information and links regarding the hype surrounding "organic" ... and it's true that there are MANY processed foods now that carry the "organic" label. In those cases much of it is all about marketing and profit margins ... because those processed so-called "organic" and "green" items fetch much higher prices than items not labeled as such.

As Gem pointed out, there are plenty of people not on government assistance (such as the working poor who fall just above income levels that allow assistance) and those people cannot afford to "go organic". It's terribly unfair to ask those people to have their tax dollars fund "going organic" ... for other people who have incomes that are not much less than theirs, but that just happen to fall at or just below amounts that do allow assistance.
 

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^^^ Agree with both above.



Right Bogart .... and yes, there certainly is a NEED for healthy foods such as fresh produce and meat. But what Gempress is saying and Sparks clarified, is that organically-grown fruits and vegetables, beef from cows fed only on organic meadow grass, free-range chicken, eggs from free-range chickens, etc., etc. ... is the WANT they meant.

I'm all for tax dollars providing people in need with a "hand up", absolutely! But not a "hand out". I would define "hand out" as when it starts being about personal preferences that follow what's trendy and that have more basis in personal "wants" rather than "need". GlassOnion has already provided ample information and links regarding the hype surrounding "organic" ... and it's true that there are MANY processed foods now that carry the "organic" label. In those cases much of it is all about marketing and profit margins ... because those processed so-called "organic" and "green" items fetch much higher prices than items not labeled as such.

As Gem pointed out, there are plenty of people not on government assistance (such as the working poor who fall just above income levels that allow assistance) and those people cannot afford to "go organic". It's terribly unfair to ask those people to have their tax dollars fund "going organic" ... for other people who have incomes that are not much less than theirs, but that just happen to fall at or just below amounts that do allow assistance.
i agree and am confused as to why i was pointed out.
i dont buy anything organic/so called green. even the WIC vouchers say you have to get the least priced item.
maybe i was miss understood , i was just ponting out i need the wic help , not just want to be lazy with my life and let everyone else pay for me and my children. and i am classified as the working poor. i could qualify for 450 dollars a month in food stamps , but dont because i dont need it .

i am so confused now.
 

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thinking about it , i think the sentence you quoted from me was misunderstood.

I am NOT saying Organic is needed for the WIC/Food stamos.
I was saying thet WIC/food stamps are for people who NEED help . not just want free food.
 

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well... I think there is a difference between WIC providing healthy options and providing organic.

I'm sorry but you can be perfectly healthy buying fresh fruits and vegetables that aren't specially labelled organic and for the most part it can be cheaper than buying a meal in a box. I know I can get 6 bananas for Hannah for jsut over a dollar. Broccoli is also inexpensive. and frozen veggies... you can get for quite cheap and they are just as healthy as long as you aren't buying ones that come in a sauce.

so they CAN buy healthy foods... people just choose not to.

But organic food is a want. you don't need to buy organic to make healthy choices. so no... I'm not for WIC or foodstamps providing organic.

and you can provide yourself many meals by planting your own veggies for a fraction of the cost. seeds are not expensive... some soil... basically the rest is up to you and you can get a surplus of food from that.
Mom says bananas are the best priced thing in the store. I get them when they have a sack for like 19 cents or 79cents whatever and she makes all kinds of things with them.
 
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i agree and am confused as to why i was pointed out. i dont buy anything organic/so called green. even the WIC vouchers say you have to get the least priced item.
You weren't "pointed out" .... it was that when you replied to Gempress's post it seemed you were talking about something different than what Gempress was saying. She was specifically talking about "needs" vs. "wants" in regard to assistance providing organic; you pointed out that assistance "is NEED based" and that you had to provide proof of income, etc. You guys were talking about two different things ... that's the only thing that was pointed out.

i was just ponting out i need the wic help , not just want to be lazy with my life and let everyone else pay for me and my children. and i am classified as the working poor..
Yikes! Nobody made any of those accusations! Again, I am all for tax dollars going toward helping people in need. Can't imagine why anyone would think otherwise ... and there's nothing "wrong" with someone being in need. Stuff happens, and sometimes people need some temporary help.

i could qualify for 450 dollars a month in food stamps , but dont because i dont need it ..
If you qualify for it and you believe it could help you feed your family more healthy food then maybe you might consider it? I don't know how government assistance works ... but say if you went on food stamps and then decided it didn't make as much of a difference toward health ... they couldn't make you stay on them, could they?
 

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You weren't "pointed out" .... it was that when you replied to Gempress's post it seemed you were talking about something different than what Gempress was saying. She was specifically talking about "needs" vs. "wants" in regard to assistance providing organic; you pointed out that assistance "is NEED based" and that you had to provide proof of income, etc. You guys were talking about two different things ... that's the only thing that was pointed out.



Yikes! Nobody made any of those accusations! Again, I am all for tax dollars going toward helping people in need. Can't imagine why anyone would think otherwise ... and there's nothing "wrong" with someone being in need. Stuff happens, and sometimes people need some temporary help.



If you qualify for it and you believe it could help you feed your family more healthy food then maybe you might consider it? I don't know how government assistance works ... but say if you went on food stamps and then decided it didn't make as much of a difference toward health ... they couldn't make you stay on them, could they?
sorry , i reread things and got confused . i am sick right now and the cold meds got me kinda fuzzy.
so forget all that aight! lolol

and no the goverment can not make you stay on food stamps or other such programs.

i need to stop posting in this state if i cant keep what i want to say straight lol

dayquil will give you a buzz if anyone did not know!lolol
 

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I agree with GO 100%. I don't really buy into the whole "organic" thing. I can see why some people would feel better with products that have no chemicals or whatever, but I haven't seen a study that's proven organics actually ARE better.
 

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dayquil will give you a buzz if anyone did not know!lolol
I had that experience (and others) with NYQUIL! :eek: I remember a couple years ago I was posting and trying to keep up with convos here under that state and was GOOFIER than normal :rofl1: (lucky, people here are used to me being goofy and thought nothing of it! LMAO)

As to food stamps (or the little 'food credit card' thing they have here in IN) I *think* you can buy pretty much what you want with them as far as food. (could be wrong though) So if you can fit organics and lean cut meats into your budget on whatever amount they give you, then it's your choice. I would much rather see THAT than some I'm usually behind at the store with loads of snack foods and easy fix dinners that are over processed and more expensive than getting fresh foods and preparing yourself.

WIC I have no clue about, but I tend to agree with Gemp on that subject. They already provide 'healthy' choices in foods as in peanut butter, eggs, milk, non sugared up cereals, as opposed to letting YOU (as in the consumer using it) decide on twinkies, soda, and chips, but to want MORE $ set aside for that help so a person can get "premium healthy" food stuff is wrong IMO and I wouldn't support it either..........IF we had a say in the matter (which most of the time taxpayers DO NOT get that say)
 

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All I know is I'm never cooking chicken...gross, that gunk you have to take out of it...I'll stick to nuggets thank you.
 

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