On voting for McCain

First of all. No one should vote against a person because of ONE issue, when you disagree with more of the others. When the other candidate stands against way more of your beliefs.

Do I like EVERYthing about McCain? NO.

But I hate MORE of what Obama stands for. By all means I will vote McCain. I am much more terrified of having my right to protect myself be taken away. Or my right to educate my child the best way possible, (for me that is homeschooling) taken away. The fact that he wants the government to take over healthcare, when the government can't take care of our education system and make sure our kids can get a good public education, no matter where you live. Make government bigger? I don't think so. I don't want the government controlling all aspects of MY life.

Do I agree with abortion? NO. I believe in personal responsibility as I believe McCain does. It is not just a religious issue.

And I certainly would not agree with "aborting" a child in 3rd trimester because of a health reason. Induce labor or go in C-section, deliver the baby, and give it every chance to live. I know a girl who had her baby nearly 3 months early. The baby was born barely weighing 1 pound. That baby is now almost a year old. Tell me that you know 110% that that child she is "aborting" will have absolute 0% percent chance of living outside the womb.

Wasted resources? Are you for the death penalty? Because we sure use a lot of resources to keep murderers sitting in jail eating 3 meals a day and living a heck of a lot better life, than many people live.

I don't like the campaign altogether, and think our government needs a lot of reform in which neither candidate will fix. I think all members of government should have limited terms. They should not be able to be re-elected unlimited times. Obviously the presidents all by themselves did not get us into this situation.

I also think all candidates for president, congress, whatever it is, should have to wear every person or company who "sponsors" their campaign on their sleeve, just as NASCAR drivers have their sponsors plastered all over their cars, uniforms. If you are afraid to advertise who is paying you, you shouldn't be accepting the money.

LMAO at someone voting MCCAIN calling Biden "old" lmao...thanks, needed that!

A wonderful idea if I ever heard one! :rofl1: I truly LOVE IT!!

I absolutly hate the idea of anybody voting for McCain (UTERUS OR NOT!), before I read this, even. If I was voting, it would be for Obama, NO DOUBT. I watched debates and McCain sounded so ignorant, rude, and careless DESPITE whatever experience and education he may have. He also seems like he is not fully honest, to me. He talks crap A LOT about Obama, which I also hate about ANYONE doing and I have NEVER seen Obama talk crap about McCain like McCain does about him.

McCain honestly makes me sick to my stomach and it makes me want to puke reading about him!

Thanks for posting, I love talking politics..

I like that too . . . if nothing else it would be very entertaining . . .

Yeah all his 'commercials' are about saying that Obama is lying etc... I guess he doesn't have anything else to sell himself anymore.

I'm not sure you realize it or not, but you're doing just what you accused McCain of doing.

I'll be voting for McCain, and I feel no need to justify my choice and/or criticize yours. I don't think anyone needs to do so either.

We can share opinions about candidates, we can discuss politics or whatever.. but keep in mind that our vote is personal: we are alone with our conscience and in front of God.

Do what you feel is right.. and spare others the same freedom.

Funny, I feel the EXACT same way.... Only REVERSED.

I hate the idea of anyone voting for Obama. But I won't go into all the reasons why, because in that case I could probably write a book.

I'm really hoping Obama wins, but there are quite a few racist peolpe out there. I really, honestly hope that doesn't jeopordize or put down Obama's chances in winning.

I love talking politics (I know you've heard that from me before..) and I am really going to look into Obama and McCain more.

And with all due respect (or no respect? (, he'll be kickin' it soon.

Something I heard (it's not something I believe, but it's for the suspicious ones to think about..obviously is was said by someone VERY suspicious, lol I am suspicious almost always, so Iv'e been putting my mind to this one (; Although I thought it was pretty RIDICULOUS when I heard it)...
McCain knows he is going to die soon. McCain knows Palin will be the first female president. Maybe they've worked up some **** where he is helping her become the first president because he knows people will vote for him because of his experience, and then when he dies off Palin will take over. Maybe they have some kind of plan. What if he is trying to put down Obama's dream of being the "FIRST black president" and making Palin the "FIRST female president".
It is obviously ridiculous, and I was listening into someone's conversation when I heard it, but whatever. I guess people have their own suspisions!
:rofl1:I almost fell over laughing right then and there when I heard it, but I guess it's something some people think about.

My gosh my mind is in the gutter today.

I'd love to hear your reasons sometime, if you ever have time. I like hearing both sides and.. I think I've said it.. three times now? I love talking & learning about politics.

:rofl1: I just burst out laughing in this library.
Haha, that was embarrasing.

I had to share what my dad said when I was spending some time with him this last weekend.

He said that one of the things he doesn't like about McCain are his dwarf arms and he did an example of it. :rofl1: Pay attention to it next time you see McCain talking, I'm thinking you will laugh, too.

Hmm, I suppose I am. But I guess that's what this thread has been about. Talking about who we like, and not saying so great stuff about the president we don't like.

The point is that he is talking a bunch of crap about Obama on television and such when since he is running to be president, he should be talking about his OWN ideas, not critisizing Obama's.

What you just stated IS the law in Illnois, and was when Obama cast his vote. Still is. I agree with it, by and large, unless its a situation where the fetus is severely defective, so that trying to save it is a waste of time (no brain, no lungs, etc). Look back at some of the accounts here of health based late abortions . . . how are these women being "personally irresponsible?"

Now go back a little earlier, into the second trimester . . . what about then? Should she risk her health or her life to buy time, or induce labor for a baby that really does have little or no chance of living? Keeping in mind that premature infants do suffer AND that there is a limited ammount of ICU space for infants? What about earlier, in the first trimester? I don't know exactly where you stand, but there's a huge range of opinion here.

I don't object to people having differing views from mine on the basic issues of where does life begin and what the relative value of the mother's and the infant's lives are. I do, however, object to the vast over simplifications . . . its not religious, its personal responsiblity! Ok, fine. I'll even grant you the third trimester. But earlier? Or if the fetus can't possibily live because it is fundamentally non-viable? How does that play into responsibility? I don't hear the pro-life side discussing these issues much, let alone with the compassion they deserve. (Frankly, I don't hear the pro-choice side doing it either). I hear God, I hear responsiblity, I hear "health," I hear "save the Down's syndrome kids." But I don't hear anencephally, lack of vital organs, eclampsia, preganancy-induced diabetes, psychotic breaks, and ruptured uteri. I hear endless concern that an aborted fetus might suffer (a legitimate concern) and none than a severely deformed, dying baby, might suffer if "live-preserving" support is forced on it. I hear a lot about elective abortions. I hear alot of horror stories. I hear a lot of justifications on both sides. I hear a lot of lies on both sides.

What I don't hear, and what I want to hear, from McCain AND Obama, from the left and the right, from the pro-life and the pro-choice sides, is an HONEST DISCUSSION of the issues, and a RECOGNITION that these issues are complex, are not black and white, and can not be solved by shouting three word slogans.

Well, I am not voting for McCain, but I am not going to make fun of his physical problems either. As I understand it, McCains arms were badly broken when his plane was shot down over Viet Nam. Then his shoulder was fractured during a beating he received from his captors. He was not given medical treatment for his injuries, and thus was left with permanent disabilities.

After he was finally released, years later, he went through extensive physical therapy. I don't think any of this is funny at all.

I agree.

And in the debate, McCain stated he is for letting such things be decided by the State if I remember correctly, which I completely agree with. The federal government is not as closely related to the states on such a level as to be able to govern these things IMO.

We all know that different states hold different opinions and should be allowed to keep their opinions according to the majority of their population.

Thank you drmom............:hail:

Whoa... Smexy, that is so inappropriate and unfair. Please don't criticize candidates based on their appearance or disabilities. There are so many issues with ALL of their policies that there really is no need to go there.

Besides, how would you feel if you were picked on over something you can't help?

ETA: Drmom, sorry, you beat me to it.

Ditto what nolu, drmom, and ACoop said.

Whether you agree with McCains policies or not... what he survived in Vietnam was something NO ONE should ever have to experience. His courage and bravery in the face of it all is something to be admired. He ignored what pain he was in because he was a true soldier and not willing to let his fellow soldiers down. He had the option to leave and he stayed because that is the code. The pain and physical deformities he continues to suffer with today are the reason he can not lift his arms and they normally just appear out in front of him.

For one thing Pregnancy induced diabetes is VERY controllable, and I know or many women who are dealing with it on a pregnancy forum I am a member of. Abortion for diabetes? No. Abortion because of down's syndrome? No. It would very, very strongly depend on the situation when it comes down to "health." I would obviously have to spend more time researching into life threatening issues to the mother in 1st and 2nd trimester. As I "personally" have never heard of any of those stories and don't know what all issues would be life threatening. Other than ectopic, in which case the baby has absolutely no chance of surviving so it is in the best interest to have it removed from the tube so that it does not rupture.

However if it comes down to elective abortion because you don't want to be pregnant? The answer is flat out no. That IS personal responsibility. You take responsibility for your actions. And there are millions of families out there who would be ecstatic to adopt your baby.

I do think the abortion debate is complicated. But I believe in any kind of campaign it is hard to talk about the grey areas, because most people want to hear are you for or against "insert topic here". Most people don't take the time to listen to all ifs, ands, or buts. While yes there are many people like us who care and want to know everything, there are millions more who only care to hear the basics.

For me personally I do believe that life begins at conception. But I do believe that I have lost 2 babies. Yes they were "babies" to me. And they were "lives" that were lost. I don't believe that they don't matter cuz "it was just a bunch of cells."

I have always been pro-life and perhaps now since I have had 2 miscarriages, it is even more personal of an issue. But I won't even get an amnio done because of the increased risk of miscarriage. And if it was me in the situation, I would do everything I could to keep the baby inside me as long as possible to increase it's chances at life. And I would chose to deliver and try to keep the baby alive if at all possible.

And again on the resources front: Why should murderers in jail have access to emergency medical care to try save their lives, but innocent infants should just be left to die or be aborted instead of giving them medical care to try to keep them alive?

I hope I put this in the right words. I was interrupted several times while writing this, so hopefully I got my thoughts across correctly.

I don't even think this is worth the debate...

not sure you would laugh if you knew exactly WHY his arms were like that.

I mean... don't like him that's fine but don't make fun of his "disability" that he received in an extremely torturous and painful manner while defending this country.

Sorry... to me that's just the equivalent of laughing at someone in a wheel chair.