On voting for McCain

noludoru

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I read these the other day, and even though I am sure I am going to get flamed, these are both so worth posting that I couldn't not.

Why No One With a Uterus Should Vote for John McCain by Julie of a little pregnant.

Excerpt:

For purposes of my argument, it doesn't matter how you feel about abortion. Forget your own feelings about abortion. My own are rather liberal, offputtingly so to many people, so forget those, too. Forget your disappointment, if you feel it as I do, in hearing Senator Obama use the anti-choice movement's buzzwords, "partial-birth abortion," without busting out an angry McCainish sneer.

Focus instead on the air quotes McCain used, the belittling wiggle of his fingers as he summarily dismissed women facing what's possibly the ultimate lose-lose situation: your baby or your life.

Your baby. Your life. If you're reading this blog, chances are good that you're a mother, a pregnant woman, a woman who plans to become pregnant, or a woman who's trying. He means you. He means us when he holds up his hands and says with that single scornful gesture that we don't matter. That we are a figment of the "pro-abortion movement's" imagination. That — what, we're making this whole "staying pregnant might kill me" thing up? (That he did this on Pregnancy and Infant Loss Remembrance Day is, of course, coincidental, but the irony, it is not lost.)

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Not only is John McCain saying we shouldn't have the right to terminate a pregnancy in the event that our lives are at stake, he's telling us he's skeptical that that happens at all.

We know better.
More Wounded Than Eloquent, I'm Afraid by Flotsam

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Last night, when John McCain dismissively couched his reference to a “health of the mother” exception to the late-term abortion ban in AIR QUOTES, I had an unexpected reaction. I had expected to be angry, and I was, angry at his cavalier treatment of the subject, at the inane and misleadingly benign phrase “culture of life” (whereas the rest of us, if not actually invested in a culture of DEATH, are merely “meh” on the concept of life. Life? Oh I can take it or leave it!). I was angry at his use of the term “pro-abortion,” a term that could only be coined by someone who has never had to contemplate such a procedure, or watched a loved one do the same. But what I wasn’t expecting last night was to feel my eyes suddenly hot and teary, to feel so profoundly hurt.

Ames died at 22 weeks. I was lucky—if anyone can be said to be lucky in these circumstances—that his water did not break for another two weeks, and lucky that IV antibiotics and hospital bedrest kept the infection in his amniotic fluid more-or-less contained for twelve days after that. But his water could just as easily have broken two days rather than two weeks after his death, and the infection could have been more virulent, spread faster, and reached critical mass much sooner—say when Simone was pre-viability, or on the very cusp of viability. Say 23 weeks instead of 25.

It is my understanding that McCain believes late-term abortion should be outlawed except when it is necessary to save the life of the mother. But when do you make that determination? When does “health of the mother” turn into “life of the mother,” anyway? What organs would the infection have to spread to and shut down before I would be permitted to terminate my pregnancy? Would they wait until I was on a ventilator, or merely until my lungs were beginning to fill with fluid?

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I want to be clear: if McCain had his so-called “culture of life,” and if my condition had progressed just a bit earlier, I would at least have lost my uterus, and I might very well be dead. All this in the interest of a baby who could not possibly have lived, because while an extremely few 23-weekers do survive, a by-then-severely-infected 23-weeker would certainly not. “Culture of life,” indeed.

McCain states that he would deal with the issue of abortion with “courage and compassion.” I quote: “the courage of a pregnant mother to bring her child into the world and the compassion of civil society to meet her needs and those of her newborn baby.” As if terminating my pregnancy would be the easy way out, the way not requiring his precious “courage.” As if dictating my medical care based upon his religious beliefs is compassionate. And I find it interesting to note that his “compassion” for this newborn does not extend to guaranteeing it health insurance.
Go read them both. I only posted excerpts, but they should be read fully.
 
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Thanks for posting that, Nolu.

Government is the LAST institution that should be in charge of mandating morality. The irony of that is . . . well, I can't come up with a metaphor that's even in the same realm.

It's beyond me that anyone with a daughter, a sister, or any woman can stomach voting for the McCain/Palin ticket.
 

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You're very welcome, Renee.

It's beyond me that anyone with a daughter, a sister, or any woman can stomach voting for the McCain/Palin ticket.
Hopefully the 70 people who have looked at this thread already read the links and at least thought about it.. that's all I can ask.
 

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i've already forwarded it, believe me.

it makes me sick to think that any woman thinks that palin is woman with women's interests in mind...
 
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I have to say, that I am past the age where the right to determine whether I want to carry a pregnancy to term or not is an issue. That does not mean it is not an issue for every other woman of child bearing age in the United States.

I find the implied humor and the dismissive attitude very disturbing as well.
 
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Yes, I was one of those 70 people who read those links. All I have to say is that, after watching the video, McCains ATTITUDE and IGNORANCE, makes me wanna puke... right in his face.

That how I feel.
 

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BM--You have a daughter, don't you?

When I was a med student a woman who very, very much wanted a baby was brought in for a very late term abortion. Her baby was anancephalic--that means the top of the skull and all of the brain except for the brainstem was missing. It is the most severe form of spina bifida. When she first found out, she and her husband wanted to carry the baby to term and donate its organs after it inevitably died. However, as time passed she started to have psychotic breaks and frequently believed there was a monster inside of her. There was a great deal of fear that she would hurt herself, and that she would have long term psychiatric issues as a result of this experience. I am not sure that this even qualifies as a "health of the mother" abortion, but after meeting her I had absolutley no doubt that that baby had to be aborted.

I cannot fathom a legal system that would force her to carry this totally non-viable, barely human baby to term at the expense of her future and quite possibly her life.
 
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My biggest issue with these type of discussions is this:
Regardless of where you stand on the issue of abortion or any other "moral" issue, I do not understand where any of us have the right to impose our own beliefs and values on others. What give us the right to judge anyone and why do we think that we have the right to tell anyone how to live their lives.

I have my own thoughts on this issue and I have to agree with Fox, Mccain/Palin and those that think the way they do, scare the bejeebis out of me.
 

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My biggest issue with these type of discussions is this:
Regardless of where you stand on the issue of abortion or any other "moral" issue, I do not understand where any of us have the right to impose our own beliefs and values on others. What give us the right to judge anyone and why do we think that we have the right to tell anyone how to live their lives.

I have my own thoughts on this issue and I have to agree with Fox, Mccain/Palin and those that think the way they do, scare the bejeebis out of me.
If you truly care about "the right to impose our own beliefs and values on others..." You will vote for a 3rd party.

McCain/Obama don't care on BIT about the concept of individual liberty. I doubt either could define the term, OFF teleprompter. One a communist/fascist... The other a zealot....
 

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Gads...I must have a different X chromisome than ya'll too...because I just can't find it in me to be all that bothered.

I know what I would do...I know what I think is right...even though that would be the harder decision and the more difficult road....but that's my view on the matter....and I guess it makes me not much of a woman either then.

I dont like abortion...most people here know by now I think it is irresponsable and unethical....but at the same time I would like it to be a states issue....so that the federal government wasnt shoving something down the throat of a state that didnt want it.

~Cate

PS....just in case ya'll were wondering, I'm not joking.
 

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My thoughts exactly...

That's the problem with some in this country...so long as it doens't "affect" me it doesn't matter...
Amen to that. And it's not only a problem in the states. Very little people here care about, or even KNOW that the US is voting for a new President, because they don't think it will affect them. Well truth is, it will. More now than ever before.
If I were able to vote, I wouldn't vote McCain if you gave a million. If I could I would only vote *parts* of Obama. <- No humor intended. To be honest, before I vote a 3rd party, I'd vote for Obama, because that would help him become president as apposed to McCain, knowing that a 3rd party candidate won't become president anyways.
 

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