Beyond CM

[stardogs]

There's a reason that I'm on VERY few fb or yahoo groups for trainers...just way too much "my way or the highway" and bashing and very little constructive information sharing.

[Danefied]

I think I could tolerate if it were all “my way or the highway” but trolling other sites to share their pics and videos only to bash them is beyond petty. Now they’re pissing off a pit bull rescue because of some picture of a pitty in a prong. *sigh*

Interestingly, I shared a video of my daughter and Breez as a counter example to a video of kids & dogs training that they were bashing. One person said something about the video I put up. ONE. Apparently if its not bashable, its not worth discussing. Really??

[Emily]

Originally Posted by Danefied

Aw shucks! Thanks

It can be REALLY hard to be a sensible R+ trainer on the internet, luckily we seem to have an abundance of those on Chaz!

[stardogs]

Yea - they like drama apparently.

[Greenmagick]

Yes, I dont mind "one way only" in a group if thats what it claims but pretty much ALL the do is dredge up stuff to bitch about. It used to be a more informative group, or at least it seemed that way when I joined awhile back. Havent been there forever because its just not worth it....and I am someone who LOVES a good debate....thats not what they do there though

[stardogs]

I guess I meant more the "do it my way ...or ELSE" behavior vs. just "only discuss x types of training". Ironic since they are so anti making dogs work to avoid "or ELSE" consequences. >.<

[Greenmagick]

Originally Posted by stardogs

I guess I meant more the "do it my way ...or ELSE" behavior vs. just "only discuss x types of training". Ironic since they are so anti making dogs work to avoid "or ELSE" consequences. >.<

Gotcha Yes, there is a way to have a discussion of where other methods fail and why this method is promoted without resorting to outright attacks and bashing.

[Shai]

People are crazy. Just sayin.

When the crazies start congregating is when it really gets scary. Not to mention pointless and often downright harmful to their "cause."

And unfortunately it is these sorts that anyone who's ever held a clicker gets lumped in with by those who are equally rabidly opposed to "clicker training" and all that label conjures.

[OwnedByBCs]

Honestly I can't stand training discussions. Ever. I'm really not much of a trainer myself- I like teaching my dogs stupid tricks and all that, but when it comes to seminars and training classes I am so not interested. Why? Because most of the trainers I end up with tell me that I'm doing something wrong, even if its producing the desired result. Sorry, I am not of the opinion that learning is done in one specific way.

And yes, I am a "learning based" trainer in the sense that I believe that a clicker and treats are the most powerful tools in dog training- and those are generally the only tools I use. I don't use prongs or chokes or e-collars on my own dogs, ever. Do I think it's wrong to use them on other dogs? Eh, I don't know. I feel like I've never really been shown how a prong improved an owner or a dog's life. But I'm not going to say I never correct my dogs..

I enjoy dog behavior, and I understand it. But for some reason, when people start talking about it, I shut down. Maybe it's because I believe that positive trainers need to be positive with PEOPLE too, or the point is totally lost!

[AdrianneIsabel]

I now want to join and see if any of my videos are on there... lol