You have no idea how mad I am

[JennSLK]

Furious, p!ssed off, mad, they dont even come close to how I feal right now.

We got home and I seen Dan (Jazz's breeder had called). He left a message saying we didnt need to find a new home for Jazz anymore. Naturally I call back worried thinking something had happened to her. Well I get his machine. I called Sue (the breeder who was re-homing her), and got the machine. Left a message at both places. Well I called Anne (The lady who currently has her). Dan came on SATURDAY and took her. He re-homed her with a co-worker. I had NO knowledge about this. She is MY dog still regardless of the fact I am in the process of finding her a new home. I have no idea who these people are. He decided the home Sue found wasnt good. Im sorry I trust Sue with Jazz's life, and everything Toller_08 and Sue have said about this home sounds amazing for her. It gets worse. He placed her with a guy with 2 other smaller dogs! Are you *^#%$#$# insane?!! He knows, and has whitnessed what shehas done to other dogs. Sure she may be good for a few weeks. She was fine with Anne for almost 6 weeks. She's like that. This new guy really wanted a doberman. Well to bad you have other dogs! Wait for a ^&@$#% puppy!!!

One of his dogs is going to be killed I have no doupt in my mind.

He places her with out my permision when Sue and I had a home lined up, and then waits 2 days to tell me, and places her in a home were other animals and posibly people (if they get in the way of a fight) are in danger.

 

[Romy]

Legally, can he even do that? I mean, she was not his property to give away. It sounds like you should be able to show proof of ownership, and get her back without any problems..in theory, right?

 

[JennSLK]

we co-own her. So Im not sure. Plus she's 3hrs away.

 

[Romy]

Do the people who have her even know her history with other dogs? Maybe contact them, so they are at least warned. If they don't know, maybe they would be willing to give her back once they hear it.

How is your co-ownership worded? That does make things more complicated. I'd be furious too. Are her vet bills in your name? Chip?

Maybe send an e-mail to him cc'd to you asking him how he's going to feel when a dog of his breeding kills someone else's dog after he placed it in a home with them, knowing that his dog did not get along with other dogs. At least have some documentation of the fact that you totally disapprove of this home, in case something happens and the people she is adopted to try to seek damages. Since her DA is known.

 

[JennSLK]

I talked to Sue. She said I shouldnt be liable if someone gets hurt.

Toller dont worry about talking to Sue. I just talked to her. Thanks tho

 

[ARiley]

I'm so sorry! I would be livid! I really hope you can get her back to the previous home before something that will not even be Jazz's fault happens to their dog/s.

 

[mom2dogs]

I can understand about being furious about not being told ahead of time, but do you know if he first has a course of action and knowledge about her background? Who knows, maybe he plans on crate/rotate and has the experience and skills to deal with the situation. Do you not trust your breeder's judgment (hopefully that doesn't come out wrong or taken the wrong way, just curious)?

 

[Lizmo]

Yikes. Since she's co-owned I would imagine he can do it.

 

[JennSLK]

No offence taken. I do not trust his judgement. Not in the slightest.

I just talked to him. They have a JRT and a GSD. I guess the JRT and Jazz almost got into it the first night and they dont own a crate. They live on a acerage. They also baby sit peoples dogs quite a bit.

The kicker? He is now keeping breeding rights to her. I was stupid and signed saying he could breed 1 litter out of her. I was getting her spayed because of some health concerns that have poped up in her pedigree.

Oh and get this, both of her new families dogs are altered so it will be OK. Um hello Emma is spayed! It was Anne's fault she went after Laya because Anne wasnt alpha. Ok so how about all the other dogs she has wanted to kill.

The JRT will be dead in a month, Jazz and the GSD are going to tear eachother apart, or she will get yet ANOTHER home.

This hurts so bad guys and I cant do a thing about it.

 

[Lizmo]

Your part owner, is there ANY way you can go get her?

Seriously there has to be a way you can go get her.

The breeding thing, well, there isn't much you can do about that since it was signed over to him.

Just curious, why did you buy from him in the first place if you never trusted him?

 

[joce]

Tell him you are suing him. Sometimes just that can make them think a little. Tell him you will get this story out and everyone will know. Get her back in your possession,crate her, alter her, then adopt her out.

 

[JennSLK]

I cant have her here. Its not an option. We had a amazing home for her and he decided he didnt want an older couple to have her.

I did trust him, he has just turned horible in the last year. Everyone knows about what he is doing. Ive made sure of that

 

[Romy]

So....it sounds like he wanted a litter out of Jazz and when he found out she was going to be altered stuck her in a less than ideal home with someone he interacts with daily, ensuring that he will get his puppies.

Ugh.

You are still part owner. YOU paid her vet bills, vaccinations, etc. Did you also pay her entry fees for shows or did he help with that? Maybe you can scare him by waving all that paperwork in his face and let him know that a judge is likely to rule in favor of the person who she's been living with and paying the dog's expenses.

 

[Toller_08]

Ugh... I am so, so sorry, Jenn. That's horrible! Here's hoping everything works out for the best... I can't even imagine being in such a situation, or having my breeder do that to me. That's awful. Jazz would've been so happy in that other home, too.

 

[IcyHound]

It does sound as if this is just his way of getting a litter out of her.

Co-ownerships are very strange. They are legal documents but they are not that enforceable in court. It depends on how much of a 'companion animal' vs 'property' the dog is seen at. However, when you start going into breeding contracts and stuff the dog tends to be more property then companion animal in the law.

Also, when Jenn gave her to the other breeder to be rehomed and that breeder allowed the co-owner to take the dog, that co-owner's authority of the dog was realized and he stands on higher ground in this. The dog was then placed in a pet home again and now the people that have physical ownership of the dog have the strongest claim of all when we are looking at the nitty gritty of who has what rights and what strength of rights.

Even the registry is not going to step in much. However, the Breed club is where to go. The DPCA is really good about responsibility for the breed and breeder responsibility. They are the ones that can put on the most heat.

 

[Romy]

It does sound as if this is just his way of getting a litter out of her.

Co-ownerships are very strange. They are legal documents but they are not that enforceable in court. It depends on how much of a 'companion animal' vs 'property' the dog is seen at. However, when you start going into breeding contracts and stuff the dog tends to be more property then companion animal in the law.

Also, when Jenn gave her to the other breeder to be rehomed and that breeder allowed the co-owner to take the dog, that co-owner's authority of the dog was realized and he stands on higher ground in this. The dog was then placed in a pet home again and now the people that have physical ownership of the dog have the strongest claim of all when we are looking at the nitty gritty of who has what rights and what strength of rights.

Even the registry is not going to step in much. However, the Breed club is where to go. The DPCA is really good about responsibility for the breed and breeder responsibility. They are the ones that can put on the most heat.

That is a really good idea!

 

[Bailey08]

Also, when Jenn gave her to the other breeder to be rehomed and that breeder allowed the co-owner to take the dog, that co-owner's authority of the dog was realized and he stands on higher ground in this. The dog was then placed in a pet home again and now the people that have physical ownership of the dog have the strongest claim of all when we are looking at the nitty gritty of who has what rights and what strength of rights.

Why is that? They haven't had Jazz for more than a few days.

I'm sorry this is happening. I will be thinking about Jazz and I truly hope that she and the other dogs stay safe.

 

[MafiaPrincess]

Possession is usually 9/10ths of the law isn't it? I've heard of cases where the roomie who didn't own the dog takes it without permission and the owner ends up not being able to get it back even through court.

 

[IcyHound]

Its because the dog is property. The dog has been legally given over in a valid transaction. Ownership does not have a time limit. If you turn a dog in at a shelter and turn around and walk back in you can't get the dog back unless the shelter wants to give you the dog back. You can sue the shelter but you would lose. They now have possession and ownership. Their claim is pretty rock solid.

It is the same here. If Jenn had boarded the dog with her friend and the friend let the co-owner take the dog and then he placed the dog and then Jenn came back she'd be in a different level of ownership of that dog. But the dog was being placed in a home and has been placed even thou the home failed and they got the dog again. All of that comes into the legal findings of what is going on.

Until that home volunteers to give the dog up there is not a lot of push room. Some judges may not even been sympathetic because the people that now have the dog have a interest/attachment in this all now.

 

[Bailey08]

I've heard of cases where the roomie who didn't own the dog takes it without permission and the owner ends up not being able to get it back even through court.

Well, that shouldn't be the case, unless the owner gave the dog up (or didn't pursue getting the dog back and was deemed to have abandoned it/given it to the other person).

It all really depends on the co-ownership docs.

OP, do you think your breeder would agree to rehome in a home you could both agree on? Would Toller's dobie breeder still be willing to take her? I could understand why she wouldn't want to get involved in this cr@p, so you and Jazz's breeder would have to sign ownership over completely.