Yes/No to yearly shots and heart worm..

[Buddy'sParents]

To imply by not vaccinating yearly everyone else cares less about their pets is ignorant.

Then take the opportunity to educate them about titers and why yearly vaccines are not necessary.

Ignorant means uninformed....unaware. And it certainly does make them ignorant of the lengths I, for one (and plenty of others) go to and always have to give my animals the "best chance." I've been giving my Doberman, who was diagnosed with a severe liver disease the best chance that modern medicine and technology has to offer, taking him to the best state of the art facility in Seattle, feeding him the best of the best, consulting a nutritional expert, paying hundreds of dollars a month on prescriptions and suppliments, ongoing tests to monitor his liver enzymes, am thinking about accupuncture.... and I am restricting myself from eating good food because there's not enough left over... because I love my dog. It makes them ignorant that there are people who research and learn what's going on in this world and make informed decisions based on their in depth study. It makes them ignorant and insensative to make a statement that they're surprised that people who love their dogs don't do everything to give them the best chance. And that p!sses me off.

The poster is NEW. Is this how we wish to treat new members? We'll do best by ourselves and Chazhound if we educate peacefully and by NOT being so harsh. It was an opportunity to educate and take the high road...

 

[ToscasMom]

BP you are right, it is true we reacted heavily. It's just that the poster came in on a bulldozer and drove it over us, so it was a little difficult to be gentle.

 

[Buddy'sParents]

Agreed, TM. It was a comment that could have been worded better, but this person obviously knew no better. Shame, too...

 

[Doberluv]

Sorry Charlie. But nobody, especially someone new who doesn't have a clue about me, hasn't taken enough time to get to know me or anyone here....comes on center stage and proclaims that because I don't bombard my dogs with vaccinations, I don't love my dogs...not without raising my hackles.

Education? Did anyone read those educational links I posted? Didn't hear back so I assume not. So much for education.

Not knowing something or being new...and not knowing something is all the more reason not to make such a comment which affects many people, not just me. Being new is the time to tread softly and feel your way around a little bit. Perhaps it was a mistake, written in haste. And I will let it go. I have no choice.

I may be particularly sensative since my dog, the love of my life, the most important person in my daily life....is not likely to have a full life....quality or quantity and yet, I'm doing everything I can.

It hurts when someone who doesn't even know me implies or rather, more than implies that I'm risking my dog's well being because love for my dog is lacking. So, since that appears to be, in large part.... driving my responses, I guess I'm just not cut out for this forum stuff at this time.

Thank you to those who have supported and understood where I was coming from.

Go forth and educate.

And by all means, treat new members well. Bring on the new. Throw out the old.

 

[showpug]

I don't give heartworm meds. Heartworm is very rare here. In my 5 years working in a clinic, we never had a single positive test. If I were to travel with my dog then I would give a heartworm preventative.

I believe in the puppy series of vaccines, but will start them later on my litter like 9 or 10 weeks. My dogs get boosters about every 2-3 years after the initial puppy series.

 

[Buddy'sParents]

Sorry Charlie. But nobody, especially someone new who doesn't have a clue about me, hasn't taken enough time to get to know me or anyone here....comes on center stage and proclaims that because I don't bombard my dogs with vaccinations, I don't love my dogs...not without raising my hackles.

Education? Did anyone read those educational links I posted? Didn't hear back so I assume not. So much for education.

Not knowing something or being new...and not knowing something is all the more reason not to make such a comment which affects many people, not just me. Being new is the time to tread softly and feel your way around a little bit. Perhaps it was a mistake, written in haste. And I will let it go. I have no choice.

I may be particularly sensative since my dog, the love of my life, the most important person in my daily life....is not likely to have a full life....quality or quantity and yet, I'm doing everything I can.

It hurts when someone who doesn't even know me implies or rather, more than implies that I'm risking my dog's well being because love for my dog is lacking. So, since that appears to be, in large part.... driving my responses, I guess I'm just not cut out for this forum stuff at this time.

Thank you to those who have supported and understood where I was coming from.

Go forth and educate.

And by all means, treat new members well. Bring on the new. Throw out the old.

Carrie you are taking it too personally. Since when do you let some Joe Schmoe tell you what an awful dog parent you are? The comment bothered me as well, but the person is new and uneducated. We all know the great lengths we go to for our dogs.. new people don't know us and are speaking as such.

I know that Lyric has had a rough time lately and I know that you do everything you possibly can but please don't take it out on members. And yes, bring in the new and educate them... the old are just as worthy as they ever were. ((hugs)) Love ya.

 

[FoxyWench]

we do heartworm preventative due to the high number os mosquitoes...otherwise pupyshots are started at 6 weeks and only single shots, never mulits, then titers every year and shots only when ABSOLUTLY nessicary, rabies is required every 3 yrs round her so...

 

[ToscasMom]

Dober there is no sense of trying to leave Chaz. I will haunt you and bring you back with a hook. Now C'mere and let me hug you.

 

[Doberluv]

Thanks TM ((((hugs)))) I'm too addicted to completely leave this place...maybe just a break.

Carrie you are taking it too personally. Since when do you let some Joe Schmoe tell you what an awful dog parent you are? The comment bothered me as well, but the person is new and uneducated. We all know the great lengths we go to for our dogs.. new people don't know us and are speaking as such.

I know that Lyric has had a rough time lately and I know that you do everything you possibly can but please don't take it out on members. And yes, bring in the new and educate them... the old are just as worthy as they ever were. ((hugs)) Love ya.

I absolutely believe and know you only mean well, and mean to eliviate things....and that, I appreciate....(((hugs))) but this, as I perceive it, also tends to invalidate my feelings or opinions by saying that I'm taking it too personally It IS personal because the comment was directed toward people, right here, who had posted, stating that there was surprise that anyone who loves their dogs would vaccinate them every year. It was very personal and direct... because I happen to be one of those posters...and by saying that I'm taking something out on members "members," as in.....some innocent bystander....well, that is not the case either. I am not randomly flailing around, taking something out on any member as though I'm some out of control lunatic swinging at the nearest victim who happens to get in my way. That is what "taking something out on someone" means to me.....lashing out without provacation. I had what I perceive (and not only me) to be a valid gripe about it being implied that I and others do not love our dogs if we don't vaccinate them every single year.

I can absolutely let it go and move on. However, a few concepts, I felt needed to be explained. Apparently I misrepresented myself when I said that I was sensative about the implications that I (and others here) don't care a hoot about our dogs. While being sensative, that does not mean that I think my feelings are invalid. It means that I can't read something like that without taking a stand....without passion. Excuse me if I came off as rude. But I don't see why being staunch about something is seen as an attack. Tha's all.

 

[Buddy'sParents]

D@mned if I do, d@mned if I don't, go figure... but you go ahead and "speak" to people however you'd like to... you were offended so let's make it so that everyone feels the same. Love it. Carry on.

 

[DanL]

I'm in agreement with Carrie here. Since Sara Lee's post came right after my post about how we don't want to overmedicate, I feel I was a target of this as well.

Normally when one signs up on a new forum, you would lurk for a while and see what the tone of the boards are, then start to post. For her 2nd post to be a broad statement that obviously goes against how 99.99% of the members here feel about their pets, I think it wasn't the right way to step into the mix.

The reasons behind why many of us do not vaccinate every time a flyer comes from the vet office has been posted, if Sara Lee cares to read it, it's there. Otherwise, she can take her lumps and I don't see the need to defend her actions when some of the long time posters are the ones who are being put to task for their replies.

We've been much harsher on other people on their first few posts! Look in the Breeding forums!

 

[jess2416]

Not everyone lurks before they post....and its not a requirement...

some people have grown up all their life hearing to vaccinate YEARLY so when they FIRST see that people actually don't vaccinate yearly of course its going to be a shock especially if they don't know any better...
Not everyone is as educated about that stuff and if they have never heard it before what does everyone expect them to say...

To be honest, if I was new I would have said the same thing...when I was growing up, yearly vaccinations were something we did NO questions asked..

What would everyone like them do, read everyone's life story on the forum before they post ???

 

[ToscasMom]

To be honest, if I was new I would have said the same thing...when I was growing up, yearly vaccinations were something we did NO questions asked..

I would find it hard to believe you would say it the same way. I don't think the belief was the problem so much as the approach, which was not only rude, but downright judgemental--and more than a bit dictatorial. It all goes back to it's now what you say but how you say it, yes?

 

[jess2416]

I would find it hard to believe you would say it the same way. I don't think the belief was the problem so much as the approach, which was not only rude, but downright judgemental--and more than a bit dictatorial. It all goes back to it's now what you say but how you say it, yes?

I didnt say I would say it the same way did I ??

I said I would have said the same THING...

Originally Posted by Sara Lee View Post
Sorry, I know I'm new here, but WHAT? My dogs have always gotten their shots and preventatives every year! The youngest dog that ever died on me was 15 years old! Better vet care is helping animals to live longer, healthier lives. I agree with the poster that says this is crazy.
I work in animal rescue, and dogs ARE subject to such things as distemper, parvo, and heartworms. It's pitiful, depressing, and PREVENTABLE. Spend a little time in a shelter, and you'll do everything you can to prevent these things. I'm surprised that dog lovers would risk not giving their animals every chance.

and its not about what she said...its all about the last sentence of that quote....if that sentence would have been left off no-one would have said anything about it...

 

[ToscasMom]

I didnt say I would say it the same way did I ??

Nope. And that is why I mentioned it's HOW she said it that was offensive.

 

[jess2416]

The only thing that could even be considered slightly offensive is the last sentence of her quote...

*its not like any of us haven't ever been judgmental or rude before either, but I guess its different because we're not new

 

[ToscasMom]

Heck I thought the first sentence was off the wall. But no sense of parsing, the post had an effect and it was not a good one and it literally invited others who LOVE their dogs VERY much (as dogmatic capitals go) to respond in kind. You poke me in the eye and I might not always say Gee What Did You Do That For? I might poke you back. Of course not you in the specific Your P'ness, but You in the Generic.

 

[jess2416]

Heck I thought the first sentence was off the wall. But no sense of parsing, the post had an effect and it was not a good one and it literally invited others who LOVE their dogs VERY much (as dogmatic capitals go) to respond in kind. You poke me in the eye and I might not always say Gee What Did You Do That For? I might poke you back. Of course not you in the specific Your P'ness, but You in the Generic.

I know you meant generic you

and yes it did have an effect...some people had more of an effect than others, which I see that it didn't have one on me, but thats just me and my opinion

and maybe it should have effected me more I don't know, so I'm not trying to belittle someone if it effected them more than me, I was just calling it how *I* saw it

 

[DanL]

Not everyone lurks before they post....and its not a requirement...

What would everyone like them do, read everyone's life story on the forum before they post ???

No, it's not a requirement, it's common sense. And often, those who don't do that are the ones who are 3 posts and gone. I wouldn't expect someone new to read everyone's life story since most of us don't post that. It doesn't take much reading to get the point that this board is filled with people who care about their dogs as much as they care about themselves, and by making a comment that insinuates that we don't care about our pets for whatever reason a poster might imagine- vaccination, diet, training methods, breeding- is ill informed.

Maybe it's just me, but I always hang around and read before I make anything more than cursory comments on any new board I visit.

 

[jess2416]

No, it's not a requirement, it's common sense. And often, those who don't do that are the ones who are 3 posts and gone. I wouldn't expect someone new to read everyone's life story since most of us don't post that. It doesn't take much reading to get the point that this board is filled with people who care about their dogs as much as they care about themselves, and by making a comment that insinuates that we don't care about our pets for whatever reason a poster might imagine- vaccination, diet, training methods, breeding- is ill informed.

Maybe it's just me, but I always hang around and read before I make anything more than cursory comments on any new board I visit.

Some people have the tendency that when they see something that they feel strongly about they have to post whether its their first post or not

and you know we dont have any of those here