Would you put this on your child??

Would you use a GPS watch on your child?

  • Yes.

    Votes: 6 14.6%
  • No.

    Votes: 9 22.0%
  • Maybe. It depends on the child or other factors.

    Votes: 20 48.8%
  • Does it come with bacon??

    Votes: 6 14.6%

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but if you are part of one--believe me, the panic of that doesn't leave you.
I'm sure. And I'm not discounting the horror of it. In fact, I've thought about getting a dog that I can train for SAR (Docket is too crazy, and Sarama both too independent and too sensitive).

But that doesn't warrant making decisions about how to raise your children based on the extremely small chance that this will ever occur. Particularly decisions that may impact your child's development of their own identity, and a sense of independence and self-reliance. Not at the cost of their resentment. For that matter, not at the cost of feeding your own fear by catering to it.

If we treated all threats like this, then we'd buy a small casket on sale on the off chance that our child would die in a car crash (by comparison, VERY likely). Or we'd just never let them ride in a car. We'd banish the dog outside (or altogether) because we read a recent CDC report (which is nonsense, by the way . . . think of how often ANY of those events happen, by their own terms). We'd keep them on liquid diets and live in houses without stairs. They'd never be allowed near a body of water . . . etc.

We, unfortunately, live in a society obscessed with "safety" or, more correctly, in a society dedicated to avoiding tragedy. Particularly rare, every parent's worst nightmare tragedy. We are barraged by the media with the tragedies that occur in a nation of 300 million people, including the statistical flukes. We hear "if this saves one life . . . ." then any bizzare constraint on our personal freedom, and on the normal childhood of our children, is justified. Like children ourselves, we seem to believe that if we do the right things, follow the right rituals, then bad things won't happen. Wrong. Bad things happen. Tragedies occur. Mistakes are made. Of course we should learn from these events . . . but we should also keep in mind that bad things happen, and that many of the most dramatic bad things are incredibly rare. That's why it makes sense to buy a top notch car seat and learn to install it properly . . . and why it doesn't make sense to put a GPS on your kid.

I'll bet you that this will never save even one life, or if it does, it will save one or two out of 300 million plus over a course of years. But I suspect it won't save even one child (it might help locate a kid kidnapped by a relative, but that kid was probably in no real danger to begin with). Why? One because the kind of events that this is meant to prevent are so rare, and two because these will (hopefully) never be that common. So the one in a million bad thing will have to happen to the kid who is wearing one of these, and not the zillion other kids. However, even if it doesn't save one life, it will lead to hundreds, if not thousands, of family fights. Children who grow up thinking that Mom and Dad are always watching, and never learn to be independent . . . for that matter, who never learn the joy of being somewhere their parents don't necessarily know they are (and yes, as much as parents don't like that, I think that is an important thing). Teenagers who will never forgive their parents for treating them like criminals. Parents struck with guilt because they didn't hook their child up to a satelitte connection and the little dear got scared lost at the mall. And more fuel for a culture of fear.
 

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I have a similar thing now lol always have since I was a kid

My phone has always had GPS tracking on it, so did my car. My parents don't use it to smother or track me down if they think I'm up to no good.

Before giving it to me, they discussed what it was and what is was used for and why they thought I should have it. I got it when I was about 3. Disney Mobile phone had it as an option, and then they found a company that does it for Blackberries.

It was in case anyone ever took me, or if I got drugged at a party, or if I didn't come home and didn't call (which I NEVER do so they would know something was up)
They never used it to invade my privacy. and even if they did check lol they have a right to know where I am, they are my parents. I would tell them anyway

I know MANY MANY people would judge them.

but I was a inquisitive curious very trusting little girl (still am) lol

I spent A LOT of time (still do) in Haiti (where kidnappings..lets just say that they aren't exactly uncommon, I was almost kidnapped as a toddler once and this is what stemmed this), and I have gotten stuck at parties before with NO IDEA what the address was and called my parents to come get me.

and I hate to be morbid but I know it doesn't "save" me from harm.. but have you seen the look of parents who CANNOT find their children and have no idea what happened to them?? I would rather my parents find me and atleast.. know where I was.

Call me crazy but I like it. I feel safer knowing that its there.
and I know my parents aren't the kind to use it in a messed up way.
especially because we all live so far apart, its not the same as when I was a teenager and would leave the house and tell them where I was going and what I was doing, these days I forget, its good to know that in case of anything, they would know where I was.

There was ALWAYS the issue of "but what if you lose the phone" or etc.. etc..
so IM SURE I would have had the watch if they were invented back then as a kid lol

I'm a moving red dot on my parents phone/computer and I'm proud to be :) lol
my two brothers are blue/green.

and *gasp* my parents also have it installed on their phones lol so I could track their butts in case of emergency if I ever wanted to! lol

We are a family that spends A LOT of time in haiti and is a VERY prominent family.. Too much safety is never a bad thing IMO
 
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What a horrible device! It should be smaller like a button that could be hidden in their garments so that they would never know it was there. My dad didn't need such a device he had the power of the mystics when it came to my where abouts. He could see through my lies every time. My mother however thought I was a little angel, it would have been handy but horrifying for her.

If I had children, there is a possibility they would have some of my genetics and this device would save me hours of walking along rivers and lakes patrolling every dangerous part I told my kid to avoid. It would save me from game and fish violations that I would be responsible for on a kid under 18. My kid could be home an hour earlier if he didn't have to contrive an elaborate lie, because every time he came in the door I could say so "How was the swimming at the spillway?" or "How is Mary Ellen Rottencrotch doing?"

Hidden it would be nice on a child if they were ever kidnapped, but if it wasn't hidden it would tell a perp to grab a different kid. I would like to be confident that I was the only one privy to the GPS data.

I must say though that I am very proud of you folks on here for opting freedom over security in this issue.
 

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If my child was seriously uncontrollable then yes, I'd use it.

I don't know how many kids wouldn't step back in line after being threatened with a LOCKING GPS BRACELET though.
 

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Fran, I think your case is somewhat special, for the reasons you give. I also think there's a big difference between agreeing with your family that everyone will carry one of these, and having it forced on you. And a difference between a phone (which you can delibrately leave behind) and a band that you can't take off.

Now in your case, with a real chance of a kidnapping for political/financial reasons when you were a kid, it might still have made sense to put the band on (though again, what would stop that sort of people from taking it off you, possibly in a very unpleasant way?). But it doesn't make sense for an ordinary US family, where it would a product of irrational fear (rather than a rational concern) or a complusive need for control.
 
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Now in your case, with a real chance of a kidnapping for political/financial reasons when you were a kid, it might still have made sense to put the band on (though again, what would stop that sort of people from taking it off you, possibly in a very unpleasant way?).
Thats the kind of thinking that so many on here never see. A real bad person could see that, and find it easier to sever a limb than break the band. Bad folks do some gruesome things to get rid of evidence.
 

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Thats the kind of thinking that so many on here never see. A real bad person could see that, and find it easier to sever a limb than break the band. Bad folks do some gruesome things to get rid of evidence.
Heh, I think it comes with my profession. And I don't even practice criminal law. But I'm trained to think "what perverse incentive does this create?" and "how would an unethical person deal with this"?
 

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Fran, I think your case is somewhat special, for the reasons you give. I also think there's a big difference between agreeing with your family that everyone will carry one of these, and having it forced on you. And a difference between a phone (which you can delibrately leave behind) and a band that you can't take off.

Now in your case, with a real chance of a kidnapping for political/financial reasons when you were a kid, it might still have made sense to put the band on (though again, what would stop that sort of people from taking it off you, possibly in a very unpleasant way?). But it doesn't make sense for an ordinary US family, where it would a product of irrational fear (rather than a rational concern) or a complusive need for control.
Yea I do agree with you there.
I didn't know you couldn't TAKE OFF the watch. I thought it was just password protected or something... not like, lock and key.
and now that I look it up. it sure doesn't LOOK like an ordinary watch.. I would be concerned with someone knowing what it was on my child and trying to take it off.

I don't think the watch is a good idea. sooo I take back my vote.

I'm ok with GPS in phones, cars, (that they KNOW are there) but that watch is way too much.. especially for a kid/teenager. Like you said, if I wanted, I could leave my phone at home..
and if the phone is broken or it is disabled (battery taken out) it sends an AUTOMATIC alert message about where it happened/where I last was.. which I think makes it a bit better than the watch.

I think before you consider GPA tracking and stuff, you have to be sure you ALL agree with it and understand what it is used for. I think as far as GPS goes, its about MUTUAL family trust and respect. and in the wrong hands or in the wrong mindset, it can be VERY VERY WRONG.
 

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My thoughts too Sael. if you've ever had to have a search party for your missing child...including helicopters, etc. then I suppose you'd really appreciate having this GPS device.

I can also see where this would be good for the older population--we have had several adults (with dementia) wonder from home only to be found dead as a result.

Would I use this on a neurotypical ten year old? No. Would I use it on my developmentally challenged 18 year old--quite possibly.
just to reiterate--I would not opt to use this for a typical kid. I think it's a tool that should be used with great consideration to the purpose. I am not an alarmist, and I raised three children without panicking over potential kidnappings, etc. I feel I was reasonable about keeping track of my kids, and allowing them freedom to be responsible (and knowing what I did as a kid--I did not have my eyes closed to what kids will do!).

I do see where something like this (smaller as Buckshot suggests would be better) would be very helpful in the community for those with special needs. My daughter can not tell you her name, her address, etc. She would indeed be lost. She is never alone--always supervised, but even then, things happen.
This should not give a false sense of security--but could be a tool to help prevent some terrible situations. BUT I can also see where it could be misused and create some bad situations--just like anything, it takes using some common sense.
 

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I voted that it depends on the child, the family and other factors.

Perhaps if my oldest neice knew they could find her everytime she "took off" because she didn't like the rules maybe she'd think twice.

some families like Frans have an agreement. some families have disabled children (and adults) who would greatly benefit from this. some families have kids who REALLY are trouble and I don't mean just sneaking out or going places they shouldn't. Like these bullies that light other kids on fire... not that that would have prevented it but some kids are not just "innocent curious kids" so being able to keep tabs on them might not be so bad. the kid would hate it yes... but I figure the kids that are doing these things probably already don't like their parents and their rules. sometimes you have to save kids from themselves.

The average kid? no. I can't see it being all that useful.

I just had a dream last night that Hannah got lost and I was frantic tryign to find her lol. I'm not about to slap a tracking device on her but I can understand why some parents do. we all make mistakes raising our kids but we try to do our best so I'm not going to make these parents into horrible beings for it. they are just doing what they think is right. will it backfire? maybe maybe not. That's for them and their family to handle together.

I won't judge anyone who decides to use this device. I likely wouldn't use it myself unless I really felt I had a reason... but I'm sure that's what all of these parents are saying and they feel they have a reason.
 

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I voted that it depends on the child, the family and other factors.

Perhaps if my oldest neice knew they could find her everytime she "took off" because she didn't like the rules maybe she'd think twice.

some families like Frans have an agreement. some families have disabled children (and adults) who would greatly benefit from this. some families have kids who REALLY are trouble and I don't mean just sneaking out or going places they shouldn't. Like these bullies that light other kids on fire... not that that would have prevented it but some kids are not just "innocent curious kids" so being able to keep tabs on them might not be so bad. the kid would hate it yes... but I figure the kids that are doing these things probably already don't like their parents and their rules. sometimes you have to save kids from themselves.

The average kid? no. I can't see it being all that useful.

I just had a dream last night that Hannah got lost and I was frantic tryign to find her lol. I'm not about to slap a tracking device on her but I can understand why some parents do. we all make mistakes raising our kids but we try to do our best so I'm not going to make these parents into horrible beings for it. they are just doing what they think is right. will it backfire? maybe maybe not. That's for them and their family to handle together.

I won't judge anyone who decides to use this device. I likely wouldn't use it myself unless I really felt I had a reason... but I'm sure that's what all of these parents are saying and they feel they have a reason.
I think you're generally right, that there are situations in which it would be reasonable to use it. (as people have pointed out on this thread . . I didn't think of those when I answered the poll) What upsets me is that this is not being marketed as a device for special situations; it is being marketed to the general public as a safety device. And in our current social climate, lots of parents will be sucked into thinking that this is a good idea for normal kids. Worse, it may get to the point where parents are treated as negligent (at least in public opinion, if not in law) if they DON'T use one.

What I object to is that this is not being spun as a device for solving real problems (disabled children, really, really bad children, children at special risk of kidnapping, etc) but as something that parents should have, as a prudent precaution, as the newest child-care tool. That just feeds the irrational fears of our society, and I think will be harmful (and at best a total waste of money) to the majority of the families that buy one.

Would judge someone? It would depend. If their kid was disabled (like the really curious (and cute) Down's kid that sat next to us in the restaurant the other night), no. If their kid was a normal, heathy, reasonably behaved kid (and especially if the parent showed other signs of being a helicopter), yes, I would. I wouldn't say anything, unless they were family, but I'd think they were at best teaching their kid to be fearful and neurotic and at worst setting themselves up for disaster. I judge people who scream and hit their kids in public, and I judge people who treat children like they are made of glass. They may well be doing the best they know how to do, and I respect that, but that won't prevent me from thinking that they are making a mistake. (This no one should ever judge thing always strikes me as wierd . . . humans judge, we can't help it. Yes, you should always consider that there may be other reasons for something, and try to be fair, but you can't wipe your mind clean of your opinions)
 

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Oh I know people are judgemental. I can be very judgemental so I'm definitely not of the mindframe that we shouldn't ever judge people. it's what we do. I admit I do it all the time

what I'm saying is I can't judge a parent for tryign this because I know they are really trying to keep their child safe... which is their JOB. The ones that do it so they can track their every move and bust them... ok those people I will judge lol. But the parents who are genuinely afraid... i can't judge them for giving into their fear. I know I give into my paranoia with Hannah more than I should but sometimes you just can't help it.

I doubt this device will help anyone actually be safer but I do understand how some of these parents feel and what leads them to get this thing. I can most definitely understand that feeling
 

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I would definately do it for my kids before they are school age. Once they are in elementary or junior high it would be something I would use if the occassion arose. For example my daughter when she was in grade two did something bad so as a punishment we told her that she could not attend the next days pancake breakfast at school. The next morning when I got up she was gone. If I had had that thing when she got home from school I would have put it on her till she earned her right to be trusted agian. She had a tendancy to just disappear to friends houses too after school without calling me to tell me, of course sending me into a panic. In those cases I would use it as well till she earned her way off by calling to say where she was going prior to her going there. I would also use it on a preteen or a teen that was a consistant run away. There are many examples of when I would choose to use it. Though if the preteen or teen never gave any reason to not be trusted then no I would not use it.

So I clicked Maybe because I think this could be a useful tool if used right.
 

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I haven't read every single response, so if I am repeating other sentiments....sorry.

I voted *maybe* and as I skimmed through some of the responses, I think I'd like to change my vote to YES. I recall searching frantically through a department store, got store personnel involved and was just about to have the store locked down when the child was found hiding in a clothes rack giggling to themselves as we called for them :rolleyes: Most scared I've ever been in my life!!

I think if I did go with something like that, I would explain to the child carefully what it does, why it's important to them and us in the event something should happen to them. Trust would be very a important issue and I would want to make it crystal clear it was for their safety not as a tattle tale device. I also think the kid, after a certain age, should have the CHOICE to wear it or not without repercussions (guilt trips, tirades, questioning their integrity) from the parents.

It's a hard balancing act to walk trying to explain bad people/bad intentions to kids without making them think the whole world is out to get them.
 

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Oh I know people are judgemental. I can be very judgemental so I'm definitely not of the mindframe that we shouldn't ever judge people. it's what we do. I admit I do it all the time

what I'm saying is I can't judge a parent for tryign this because I know they are really trying to keep their child safe... which is their JOB. The ones that do it so they can track their every move and bust them... ok those people I will judge lol. But the parents who are genuinely afraid... i can't judge them for giving into their fear. I know I give into my paranoia with Hannah more than I should but sometimes you just can't help it.

I doubt this device will help anyone actually be safer but I do understand how some of these parents feel and what leads them to get this thing. I can most definitely understand that feeling
Well, to be fair, I don't have a kid, so I can't know. I only have dogs, and, as much as I love them, I won't fork out the money for the GPS collar on them, and there's no independence issue there. Its just that the situations in which it would genuinely be useful would be so few and far between (yes, they could run off at the farm . . . but knowing precisely where they are and actually being able to catch them in the woods there are two entirely different things . . . I'd be better off working on my recall and getting some really stinky cheese).

But people should try and control their fear, especially if its groundless, and temper it with reason. Otherwise, they'll worry themselves into an early grave and teach their children to be fearful as well. You do a good job, as far as I can tell, of controlling your fear, though I know you and your husband love Hannah with the ferocity of a pair of wolves.

But yes, its not fair to condemn people for simply being afraid . . . on the other hand, I think it is fair to point out that their fear is irrational and possibly destructive.

Edit: And Nicole, what difference would it make with your disobedient daughter . .. sure, you'd know where she is, but this is a discipline problem, and the problem is not that you don't know where she is, its that you already know where she ISN'T, that is, where she is supposed to be. Perhaps showing up and grabbing her might have some humiliation power. <shrug> But if she's not where she's supposed to be, then she already knows she's in trouble, and evidently doesn't care. Unless you want to enforce it by constantly showing up and dragging her off (what a pain), then the GPS bracelet doesn't add anything. At least, that would be my reasoning. Of course, its true, the threat of wearing that hideous thing might have made me behave . . .
 

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This is something of a tangent, but this reminded me of an incident that happened recently. A woman with a stroller was getting off the Metro here in DC, when the train doors closed, with her one side and the baby on the other. Cue mass hysteria! Described as "EVERY MOTHER'S NIGHTMARE!!"

Here's what actually happened. At the next stop, several passangers who saw this happening got off with the baby and stood in the next station, guarding the kid and amusing it, until the mother showed up with Metro police. End of story. This, by the way, is exactly what I would have expected to happen.

But my kid might wander off at the mall! Yep, happens all the time. Happened to me as a kid. There is some astronomically small chance that something will happen. Otherwise, someone will find the kid and find you, and there will be tears, and both you and the kid will have learned something. And when the kid grows up you'll both laugh about it (or the kid won't remember, I don't, actually, I'm just told about it).
If only this were to only happen more often. I look for children who get lost at events in the region, and this HARDLY happens. Most of the time, the kid is just wandering around lost, and nothing is there to keep the child in the event. By the time we get to them, we never know if they are in the event area or not, and this would help *tons*. That would be so many less cases that we need to get the police involved in looking for, and we could just handle it alone.

As for searches for missing children . . . again, the kind you are talking about, with full SAR out there . . . are really, really rare.
It happens ALOT more that most would think. Plus, IMHO, once is too much.
 

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I voted maybe. I would ONLY use it on a teenager if they had autism or something in order to give them more freedom.

I think this device could give parents a false sense of security and rather than supervising their children, and teaching them how to be safe on their own, rely on the device to do teach them these things...which it can't.
 

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Edit: And Nicole, what difference would it make with your disobedient daughter . .. sure, you'd know where she is, but this is a discipline problem, and the problem is not that you don't know where she is, its that you already know where she ISN'T, that is, where she is supposed to be. Perhaps showing up and grabbing her might have some humiliation power. <shrug> But if she's not where she's supposed to be, then she already knows she's in trouble, and evidently doesn't care. Unless you want to enforce it by constantly showing up and dragging her off (what a pain), then the GPS bracelet doesn't add anything. At least, that would be my reasoning. Of course, its true, the threat of wearing that hideous thing might have made me behave . . .
Yes it is a disapline problem but you have to realize when a child disappears from school and the parent phones the school to see if she was kept for detention and then they say that the child is not there, the school then has to follow protocol and that is to call the police. Trust me this happened many times. The police then come and start a search while we also do a search and lots of times she would purposely go to friends homes that we did not have a phone number or location for. If we had the bracelet then the police would not get involved or even the school for that matter. It would be as simple as checking her location and then picking her up. And trust me we would pick her up every time.

And like I said for a child that consistantly runs away this is an excelent idea because a lot of teens that run away never come back and disappear. This is not a rare thing either. Sorry but I think this is a good tool used in the right way. When a child does something to panic a parent and distroy trust then use the braclet. Give a time line of when the trust can be earned back by and the behaviour expected to earn it back. Then when they do it remove it. Part of parenting is checking up on.
 

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If my parents put that thing on me and didn't trust me INSTEAD of teaching me right/wrong and about getting lost and staying safe..
I would of honestly probably turned into a pretty crazy teenager/child. That is just soo..I dunno..
I'm your kid. not some kind of animal. TALK TO ME instead of putting a tracker on me and making me feel like some kind of CRIMINAL

My parents put that chip on my phone so they could find me if I was ever kidnapped or stuck somewhere and needed them. We discussed it, and we trusted eachother, and they have the same device in their phones..it was mutual trust and RESPECT

one thing that holds true about kids/teenagers always.
Treat your kid like a criminal, and they are going to act like it.
 

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Just because a child is doing things they are not suppose too does not always mean that the parent has neglected to teach them right from wrong, or how to be safe. Sometimes the child just chooses to ignore the parents teachings and do what they want. Not all kids are innocent little people that just happen to do something wrong because they were never taught not too.
 

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