Women, pro-life and pro-choice, pay attention

[Lilavati]

http://online.wsj.com/public/article/SB121745387879898315.html?mod=blog

Arguing about the personhood of the fetus is one thing, and a fully legitimate debate. But this is going way too far . . . I don't like to soapbox about this, and didn't believe it the first time I saw it, but i'm seeing it from too many reliable sources now.

Our mothers and grandmothers fought hard for this.

 

[HoundedByHounds]

I don't even know what to say, Lilavati...this is HORRIBLE horrible to read!

 

[~Jessie~]

Wow... that was really scary. I don't even know what to say.

 

[Pam111]

Gah
That's pretty much what I have to say. Doctors don't even consider miscarriages that early to be miscarriages. They don't actually consider that there was a life at that point. Until the egg attaches, there is not a viable pregnancy

 

[noludoru]

In that case, many women with active sex lives have abortions all the time. Absolute NONSENSE. This is just a way to try and take birth control away from women... ETA: explanation - when you're on your period, often you might have had a fertilized egg that did not attach to the uterine wall that comes out with the blood. Theoretically we could be accused of abortion for a normal bodily function.

If the draft regulation were to prompt some insurance companies to drop coverage for prescription birth control, "that would be fantastic," said Tom McClusky, a strategist with the conservative Family Research Council.

I know I'm a horrible person and all, but I hope this guy dies a grisly death. That makes me SO ****ING ANGRY it is BEYOND WORDS.

If the regulation is enacted, insurers, hospitals, HMOs and other institutions could claim that a law requiring them to dispense contraception or subsidize an IUD discriminated against their religious convictions. State and local governments would have to certify in writing that they don't practice such discrimination. Those who didn't comply could lose federal funding or be sued for damages.

Good god. And say buh bye to the morning-after pill.

Barr Pharmaceuticals, which makes oral contraceptives, took issue with the idea that its products cause abortions and added that "an individual's conscience should not prevent the timely dispensing of these products."

With its expansive definitions, the draft bolsters a key goal of the religious right: to give single-cell fertilized eggs full rights by defining them as legal people -- or, as some activists put it, "the tiniest boys and girls."

As long as Roe v. Wade remains in effect and abortion remains legal, that goal can't be fully realized. But in recent years, abortion opponents have scored notable successes. For instance: Several states now define a fertilized egg as a legal person -- an "unborn child" -- for purposes of fetal homicide laws, which allow criminal prosecution when a woman miscarries as a result of an assault.

In South Dakota, abortion doctors must tell patients -- whatever their stage of pregnancy -- that they will be "terminating the life of a whole, separate, unique, living human being" with whom they have an "existing relationship." In Colorado, voters this fall will weigh a state constitutional amendment that would confer full personhood on fertilized eggs, as well as embryos and fetuses. And embryonic stem-cell research is restricted through a variety of state and federal policies.

 

[2dogmom]

This is why we have to vote Democratic in the upcoming presidential election, regardless of "who you'd rather have a beer with."

Look at the ages of the supreme court justices and who appointed them. THAT is scary. One more Republican president and the pendulum will be stuck at the right for decades.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supreme_Court_of_the_United_States

 

[Pam111]

This is why we have to vote Democratic in the upcoming presidential election, regardless of "who you'd rather have a beer with."

Look at the ages of the supreme court justices and who appointed them. THAT is scary. One more Repubiclan president and the pendulum will be stu7ck at the right for decades.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supreme_Court_of_the_United_States

I wish more people would pay attention to what is, in my opinion, the absolute most important thing to consider when electing a president: The Supreme Court

 

[JennSLK]

Administration supporters say the left's concerns are overblown and very few women would have real difficulty getting birth control. Still, some on the religious right are hoping the regulation would create some obstacles.

So the religious people want un wanted kids popping up everywere.

If the draft regulation were to prompt some insurance companies to drop coverage for prescription birth control, "that would be fantastic," said Tom McClusky, a strategist with the conservative Family Research Council.

So it would be cheaper for the insurance company. But really whats cheaper, child birth or birth controll pills?

With its expansive definitions, the draft bolsters a key goal of the religious right: to give single-cell fertilized eggs full rights by defining them as legal people -- or, as some activists put it, "the tiniest boys and girls."

Thats stupid. MOST of the time the egg doesnt implant properly anyways.


Good God

opcorn:

 

[Lilavati]

At the risk of sounding like a paranoid loony, NOW we see the real agenda of the far right.

Not to protect unborn children, but to return women to the kitchen, barefoot and pregnant, and beings chaste until marriage and baby machines afterwards. This isn't about religion, it isn't about abortion, it's not even about feminism . . . its about an attempt, under the guise of protecting innocent life, to turn women back into walking wombs. Its about turning back the clock, and making women slaves to their bodies once again. To making women, and women alone, the scapegoats for sexual irresponsibility.

Never, in the years of this presidency, have I been SO angry. And I've been very angry. But not this angry. This means war.

 

[sparks19]

Wow unbelieveable.

this is why the two party system just doesn't work. You have this extreme.... or the other extreme. The two parties make everything look so black and white... and in life there is a lot of gray. both parties go against things that I find very important.

 

[Jules]

A couple weeks ago I had a real blowout with an acquaintance. I am usually good with keeping it to myself and thinking my part.... He's very Christian (if you know what I mean) and had the audacity to call me a "baby killer" because I am on the pill.

But yeah... Don't even know what to say.

 

[sparks19]

You know... I don't even think these people can be classified as Christian or republican... they are extremists first and foremost. I know plenty of christians and republicans who think birth control is perfectly fine. I am a very liberal pro life (I think there are circumstances so it's not like I think it should be illegal or anything like that hence very liberal pro life... just like I said before life isn't black and white... there is a lot of gray) but I also think that birth control is a wonderful thing and I have no issue using BC pills myself or other birth control methods and i think they should be readily available.

 

[Puckstop31]

I wish more people would pay attention to what is, in my opinion, the absolute most important thing to consider when electing a president: The Supreme Court

In a perfect world... This should not matter. The Supreme Court should not 'lean left or right'.

Madison and Jefferson were right to fear a partisan Supreme Court that legislates from the bench.

 

[SizzleDog]

I agree Sparks - I don't think this is a religious thing.

IMO, it's a power thing. I'm spitting mad over this, I'm getting flashes of a "Handmaid's Tale" -like society. Scary stuff, when women are treated as vessels.

This just proves that sexism IS still alive and thriving - people try to say that it doesn't exist, that women are treated and regarded the exact same as men nowadays... NOT true. Sexism still exists. Period.

 

[~Jessie~]

Wow unbelieveable.

this is why the two party system just doesn't work. You have this extreme.... or the other extreme. The two parties make everything look so black and white... and in life there is a lot of gray. both parties go against things that I find very important.

I hate how we focus so much on a two party system. I consider myself to be a "centrist"... my political views fall very much inbetween both major parties.

I am proCHOICE, even though I don't agree with abortions in most cases. However, I think they should be legal because we deserve the right to choose what to do with our own bodies... otherwise women are going to be going to illegal abortion clinics and giving themselves abortions.

I just fail to see what's wrong with birthcontrol pills?! If these become harder to get, there are going to be SO many babies that the government will have to take care of. If laws like these actually pass, these politicians should be responsible for paying for these mothers and babies costs of living out of their OWN pockets. Then maybe they'd think harder about getting rid of birthcontrol.

 

[Pam111]

In a perfect world... This should not matter. The Supreme Court should not 'lean left or right'.

Madison and Jefferson were right to fear a partisan Supreme Court that legislates from the bench.

But since SC Justices are human, it's impossible for them not to have certain views. Because they do, people need to think about them when they elect a president

 

[Pam111]

I hate how we focus so much on a two party system. I consider myself to be a "centrist"... my political views fall very much inbetween both major parties.

I am prolife, even though I don't agree with abortions in most cases. However, I think they should be legal because we deserve the right to choose what to do with our own bodies... otherwise women are going to be going to illegal abortion clinics and giving themselves abortions.

I just fail to see what's wrong with birthcontrol pills?! If these become harder to get, there are going to be SO many babies that the government will have to take care of. If laws like these actually pass, these politicians should be responsible for paying for these mothers and babies costs of living out of their OWN pockets. Then maybe they'd think harder about getting rid of birthcontrol.

See, these same politicians probably don't think that welfare should exist Hey, let's make it really hard for women to not get pregnant but then offer them no support if they do

 

[Sunnierhawk0]

Just sickening.

Thats all I can say.

 

[~Jessie~]

See, these same politicians probably don't think that welfare should exist Hey, let's make it really hard for women to not get pregnant but then offer them no support if they do

Yep, they pretend to care so much about the unborn child (not even a child... just a bunch of cells), but then once the baby is born they expect the mother to be able to support both of them without any government assistance.

They never have to deal with this situation themselves because they're all 70 year old rich men. So since it doesn't personally effect them, they don't care.

 

[sparks19]

I hate how we focus so much on a two party system. I consider myself to be a "centrist"... my political views fall very much inbetween both major parties.

I am prolife, even though I don't agree with abortions in most cases. However, I think they should be legal because we deserve the right to choose what to do with our own bodies... otherwise women are going to be going to illegal abortion clinics and giving themselves abortions.

I just fail to see what's wrong with birthcontrol pills?! If these become harder to get, there are going to be SO many babies that the government will have to take care of. If laws like these actually pass, these politicians should be responsible for paying for these mothers and babies costs of living out of their OWN pockets. Then maybe they'd think harder about getting rid of birthcontrol.

^^^^ AGREED.

yep I think it should come directly out of their big salaries. I just don't understand the LOGIC here. probably because there ISN'T any logic. It just seems so asinine.