Wierd barking issue

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I have a barking problem that is a little different and nothing seems to help.
Our Cocker is 2 1/2, he is a retired show dog, he doesn't have an aggressive bone in his body and out in public he loves everyone and everything but he hates it when someone comes to the house, he goes nuts barking. There is no aggression, he backs away with his tail going like crazy. If it is a kid or lady it is short lived and then he is all cuddly. For some reason he mistrusts men, even my husband if he is carrying something. He also does not like anything black or suspicious looking. Yet this same dog turns into Mister Mellow if you walk into a show, nothing bothers him! That is one of the reasons he did so well showing, he was totally calm. I have also learned that if I know people are coming I put him on a leash and he is much better. We know the breeder & handlers he has had and know he was never mistreated, besides he LOVES people, especially kids. We have tryed treats, to distract, praise, ignoring him, you name it. Most of the family just ignore him and he is getting better with them but it is annoying at times. Any suggestions. We have had him for 1 1/2 yrs and it has always been this way.
 

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For some reason he mistrusts men, even my husband if he is carrying something.

Carrying something changes the profile of a human. It can be scary if the dog wasn't socialized well to people carrying things when he was a very young pup. This is an important element in what I consider the socialization process. What you can do is have your husband or you carry something, let the dog know that it's you behind the big package or bag and feed him tasty treats, play with him or otherwise get him habituated to that strange profile. With anything or anyone he is insecure about, turn those bad things into good things....actively. It sounds like he was socialized to one main type of life style, the show venue and that is good. But he may have missed out on a wider variety of environmental stimuli that he is coming into contact with. It's hard to recoupe that missed socialization during the critical period (birth to about 4-5 months of age) but it can be improved with some pro-active exercises. Tie those things together with his favorite toys, treats and lots of praise. Go gradually. Don't force him to be too close to things he's afraid of....let distance work for you and slowly descrease the distance between him and the scary thing over time.

Bark Training

Here's the method I've used and it works if you're consistent: (Here's an exception to the rule about waiting for the behavior to become regular before adding a cue. Here, it is just the opposite) It's something I've written before so it is quite generic.

Put the barking on cue...say "speak" or "bark" (whatever cue you want, just keep it the same) You can use a hand signal too if you want. I open and close my fingers against my thumb like my hand is imitating a mouth, like you'd do with kids when they talk too much.

Immediately after you cue (not more than a second or two after, get the dog to bark by having someone knock on the door or whatever else will make him bark.
Dog barks.


Praise..."gooooood!" (no treat, just a little praise)


Give cue...."quiet" or "enough" (I use enough, but whatever you choose, just make it the same.) And immediately after, show the treat to prompt quiet....hold the treat in front of his nose...get him distracted until he is quiet. Hold the treat for 3-5 seconds and then give it to him.

Repeat with less and less visibility of the treat prompt but still give it to him after perfect 3-5 second quiets.


Repeat with longer and longer durations of quiet before giving the treat.


Practice with lots of visitors or whatever else triggers the barking. Vary them.
Do it over and over till the dog gets onto this game. And it is a game. It my take a few sessions so keep it up. You'll know that the dog gets it when he barks on the cue and doesn't need the door knocking or other noises to set him off. And he quiets on the first cue to quiet without being shown the treat. Still give him a treat but take it from somewhere he won't notice so much, like your pocket or a table top. (later, once reliable, you'll put the treats on a variable reinforcement schedule)

If he ever starts to bark during a quiet time with even a half attempt at a bark or a tiny soft bark, tell him "woops" (a no reward marker) and start your count over again....1,2,3,4,5...He has to know that barking during the quiet time lost him the treat. He needs to give you 3-5 seconds of perfect quiet after you cue the quiet.

Practice this by going back and forth, back and forth between the cue to bark... and the cue to quiet...lots of times before trying it out in real situations. Set up the situations so you can practice better. Expose him to a wider variety of sights and sounds if he is especially easily set off.

Many people give up because they never get past the hard part. Memorize the instructions and understand them completely. Practice, practice. This process works if you give it ample training. It can seem like it's going nowhere the first few times and most people never make it past the initial hard part. The first few times, the dog will respond poorly so you must be ready with some very tasty treats. If he messes up once you've decreased the visibility of the treats for a while, go back to showing him them again for a bit. (Often, dogs that have been trained using more traditional methods take a while to get onto the game because they haven't learned about doggie zen) They’re not accustom to controlling their own behavior because someone else is controlling it for them.

When he's been doing this for a while and he barks after being told to "quiet," he must get an instant time out away from the action, which most dogs find fun and stimulating. Having to leave the excitement really bothers most dogs. Timing, of course is vital as always. Once you've given the "quiet" cue and he barks, he must immediately get a "Woops" (too bad for you) and he is quickly removed to the isolation area. Do not let him out if he barks. Wait for a lull of about 5-10 seconds first after having been in there for a minute or two.

You can also do a down-stay. A lot of dogs don't bark when they're lying down.
It is very likely that it will get worse before it gets better. Your dog has been barking for a long time this way and when something has been working and then it doesn't, he's going to try and try some more. The sudden shift in the rules will likely cause some confusion at first. But then there will be an extinction burst where by he tries and tries and the last time he tries before he gives up because it's not working, he's going to give it all he's got. Keep at it. This will pass. Once he finally gives up for good, the behavior will extinguish. It will extinguish because it doesn't work to bark. Nothing satisfying comes from the excessive barking and no behavior exists when there is no motivator. BUT...something better happens, that works better when he hears the word, "quiet." So that new behavior will be taken on.

The trouble with force based methods, intimidation, aversives and all that is that it tends to regress badly and often, fairly soon. I went that route for years and it never worked. Power struggles don't work. And primarily, it doesn't get at the root of the issue which could be a bad socialization history or some other fear or even excitement over seeing a dog pal. You don't want to escalate that. Associating the other dog or whatever triggers a dog to bark manically with that kind of punishment is that the dog is already stressed, emotionally and physiologically (heart rate, adrenalin, respiration levels are higher) and it further associates the trigger with more of a stressful time than he was already having. It doesn't help the dog to calm down. It only shuts a dog down so he looks calmer but he's "stuffing it." Showing the dog that good things happen in the presence of the trigger and for obeying your cue makes for a much more reliable skill and a much happier dog. It's also less wear and tear on the owner in the long run.

Once the behavior is quite well on it's way, practice this in different environments, locations, contexts and various triggers. Get the dog to generalize this behavior in any kind of situation, anyplace.

I have two yappy Chihuahuas and one loud mouth mix breed... and believe me, if any dog can bark, they can. LOL. I used this method and was lazy with one of my dogs. In the last week or so, I've been practicing better and let me tell you, the second they hear, "enough"....they all three stop barking in unison...absolutely suddenly and exactly together at the same second. It's great. They got the initial behavior going quite well in just one or two sessions. It took some more to get the cues independent of the prompt and the door knocking person.

It can also double as a fun trick to show people. "speak" and "quiet."
 

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Thank you, I will give it a try. I don't know if I can get him to bark on command, he only barks when someone comes around. What is strange is that he was very well socialized as a pup, it is one of the reasons we went with this breeder. She starts when they are tiny, they are in the house with the family, in the crate, going for rides, you name it. She takes them on outings and has people come over, she trys to expose her pups to every imaginable situation. We have his little brother and he just looks at Dillon like what's your problem! It sounds crazy but it is like he thinks he needs to be a guard dog and he is not happy about it:lol-sign:
 

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Well, maybe it's just a freak thing. But hopefully you can get her over some of these little quirks.

I don't know if I can get him to bark on command, he only barks when someone comes around.
Re-read those instructions. Try to set up mach scenarios. Get someone to be the door knocker. If she doesn't react because she knows it's your husband or you, see if you can get a friend or two to help. You need to re-create those triggers which set her off so you can train. It's awfully difficult to train most things when thrown in the midst of real life situations. Say the UPS man is coming. You feel frantic to open the door and not have him wait (or you might not get your package. lol) so you can't take the time to go through the process. It's MUCH more beneficial to set up scenarios for training. In the meantime, before the dog has had enough practice, remove her quickly to another room or crate while you answer the door so she doesn't get so riled up. Grab a treat on the way to the crate, which you might have in a little bowl on the counter...just to make sure there's no nervous, scariness about the quick removal to another place...nothing bad associated with the other place.

Those instructions pretty much need to be gone through several times to get it planted in your brain so the sequence becomes 2nd nature to you. Timing is very important, as it always is.
 

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