Why would you?

[darkchild16]

Put a 100 pound dog on a plastic buckle collar? I don't GET it. What makes people think its safe? ANY dog can decide at ANY time that he does not like something and snap the collar. (I've seen it happen)

Relating story: My mom worked at a ship yard and they had a chow something mix she was VERY old. At that point she was unbeknownst to everyone a week from passing. Well one of her bosses brought in his Dane one day because they had his yearly checkup early that afternoon. He was a very friendly dog with EVERYONE and the other dogs on the yard. For some reason he and Lady HATED eachother. He busted a plastic buckled collar attacked Lady and ended up biting and cracking a womans ribs that was helping us break it up. For a old dog Lady tore into him just as bad as he did :yikes: .

That all could have been prevented by a proper collar

I just don't GET why people think its ALWAYS going to hold Fluffy. Walker at only 50 pounds has broken plastic buckle collars and not even really trying. He went one way and I was going another and it cracked.

Sorry it just frustrates me because people put their dogs on these collars and then they snap and its either someone else or a dog that pays the price of someone not having the right equipment.

 

[HayleyMarie]

haha, Yes I agree with you as you already know

I think its rather irresponsible but I have noticed that alot of the population really has not common sense whats-so-ever.

 

[darkchild16]

Me too I went to petsmart today and saw THREE large dogs on them pulling their owners around and people buying them in LARGE sizes. I just dont GET it. For a tag thats one thing but to walk them on it just ugh.

 

[HayleyMarie]

Yah thats just asking for trouble. Thats my one worry a loose dog, or a dog that breaks its leash and goes after Teagan. Im always watching.

I can guarentee when I get my Mastiff I will be walking it with a thick leather collar attacked to a prong for back up.

Its my resposibility especially having a bigger animal to keep it under control if needed.

 

[darkchild16]

Yep all my dogs over 70 will have a backup besides a collar. Most likely just a prong because I like ALWAYS having that control at my size. ESPECIALLY if we get attacked or what have you.

 

[Hillside]

As far as sturdy goes, I would trust Saga on a Lupine plastic buckle. She isn't much of a puller at all though. However, with her tiny neck and head, I don't really trust her on anything other than a martingale when we go outside. The only exception to that being her 1.5 inch leather collar from Ella's lead with a suede lining. To get her Lupine tight enough to not slip over her head, I would have to have it on uncomfortably tight.

 

[Dekka]

I aggree with Hilly. There are differences in quality of plastic buckles. The ones from upcountry are really strong. What is bad is shoddy workmanship/quality.. not buckles.

I mean you can make plastic buckles that can withstand over 1500 pounds, just most collar buckles are far far from that.

(as a side note, none of my dogs have broken buckles but they have broken a few d rings and some collars. That doesn't make nylon collars or D rings bad, just ones of shoddy quality are ....well shoddy lol)

 

[Meatos]

The potential for danger is high with ANY tool. I see no reason why ALL dogs over 100lbs shouldn't be on buckle collars.

If breaking the collar is the potential outcome, then NO dogs should be wearing them...and that's just silly. In fact, most dogs are capable of slipping out of these collars anyway, regardless if they break or not. I've seen 60lbs labs break nylon buckle collars - should they not wear them too? I've even seen dogs snap leather collars. What then? I've seen dogs bust out of prongs, harnesses, martingales, and head collars. So where do you draw the line? I don't think it's fair to make this claim against large dogs and buckle collars because the potential for danger is everywhere. And don't even get me started on the potential for leashes to snap - anything from nylon to leather has a breaking point, whether it's the material itself or the hardware. So should everyone walk their dogs on two leashes too? Or just the people with big dogs?

If the unreliability of the collar or leash is the measuring stick, then ALL dogs should be backed up with another tool somehow.

 

[Danefied]

Hmmm... not gonna lie here, getting slightly offended by the tone of this thread. So are we saying that just because my dogs are over 100# they need to wear a prong?
First off, if the dog is untrained enough that they'll break through a collar, then a prong isn't going to stop them anyway. I've seen enough labs out of control dragging their obviously over 100 pound owners to know that IF my danes were untrained, they would have no problem getting wherever they needed to go collar with human attached or not.

At 13 months my female dane was attacked by a boxer on a flexi in petsmart and she did not retaliate, she looked at me and asked what to do. At 2 she is a the stable, "control" dog for reactive dog classes. She does NOT need a prong or anything else as back up because she is trained to be trustworthy and reliable and NOT reactive.
My other dane, the ex-feral rescue, routinely IGNORES the little dogs at the vets office who snarl and lunge at him while their owners think its cute how they challenge the big dog . But MINE are the ones who need a prong or some sort of "backup" because they're over 100 pounds?
How about we say its dogs who aren't trained who are the problem, not those of a certain size? BSL anyone? Geeez!

 

[Psyfalcon]

Because if you make a collar big enough for a Dane or St. Bernard, shouldn't it hold one?

It probably did until it was damaged or worn out. But, I've never seen a strength listing on any collar hardware.

 

[Chewbecca]

I NEVER walk my dogs without back up.
And I make my own products.
And I'll tell you why: I may make the collar and/or lead, but I DO NOT make the hardware that goes on it. A dog can shake, and even if you have the BEST bolt snap on your leash, if a dog shakes just right, and as it's shaking, the latch on the leash snap smacks down, and POOF! the bolt snap opens.
I've had it happen on leashes that aren't mine and one leash that was was mine. The snap wasn't broken, and it wasn't faulty. My dog shook, and the latch got smacked down from her shaking.
Thank GOD I realized she was unlatched before she did. But it happens.

I'll put hybrid quick release buckles on my dogs, but it'll never be the only thing I'm walking them in.

 

[Chewbecca]

What I always try to do with new products that I'm trying out before selling is, I try to get my dogs to pull and yank inside the house to see how it holds.

I would NEVER tell people what to use and what not to use, I just know what I will and will not use for my dogs.
And it's not because mine are untrained. Well, ok, they're just barely not puppies anymore and Luke still thinks every squirrel he sees is there for him to chase. We're working on it, but he can suddenly hit the end of the leash (and I walk him on a police lead so he's right by my side) out of nowhere when he sees a squirrel.
I fear he would bust a plastic buckle.
Ophie would probably be fine, but I'd worry about Luke on one.
I have a very...um...squirrel-driven-prey-driven breed, though. Luke is way better on lead now, though than he was last year, so I'm thinking the older he gets the better he'll keep getting. Maybe. I hope.:lol-sign:

 

[Psyfalcon]

I like the plastic for walks on the beach.

The plated metals seem to rust on the worn inside edges, and brass might leave a green ring. The rings on (at least some of) the Ruffwear harnesses are plastic, so they can be strong, I just don't know of anyone warrantying them, or providing a breaking strength for a type of hardware.

 

[darkchild16]

I aggree with Hilly. There are differences in quality of plastic buckles. The ones from upcountry are really strong. What is bad is shoddy workmanship/quality.. not buckles.

I mean you can make plastic buckles that can withstand over 1500 pounds, just most collar buckles are far far from that.

(as a side note, none of my dogs have broken buckles but they have broken a few d rings and some collars. That doesn't make nylon collars or D rings bad, just ones of shoddy quality are ....well shoddy lol)

Maybe the other ones are IDK I refuse to buy them period. I have ONE and I got it on accident (told the seller the wrong thing and didnt feel like returning it) Plastic IMO is just way to easy to snap period or break by hitting something. Walker was attacked by a dog wearing one Walker bit at him and his tooth his the collar and no more collar.

The potential for danger is high with ANY tool. I see no reason why ALL dogs over 100lbs shouldn't be on buckle collars.

If breaking the collar is the potential outcome, then NO dogs should be wearing them...and that's just silly. In fact, most dogs are capable of slipping out of these collars anyway, regardless if they break or not. I've seen 60lbs labs break nylon buckle collars - should they not wear them too? I've even seen dogs snap leather collars. What then? I've seen dogs bust out of prongs, harnesses, martingales, and head collars. So where do you draw the line? I don't think it's fair to make this claim against large dogs and buckle collars because the potential for danger is everywhere. And don't even get me started on the potential for leashes to snap - anything from nylon to leather has a breaking point, whether it's the material itself or the hardware. So should everyone walk their dogs on two leashes too? Or just the people with big dogs?

If the unreliability of the collar or leash is the measuring stick, then ALL dogs should be backed up with another tool somehow.

I said PLASTIC. I use HEAVY duty metal ones on my dogs.

Hmmm... not gonna lie here, getting slightly offended by the tone of this thread. So are we saying that just because my dogs are over 100# they need to wear a prong?
First off, if the dog is untrained enough that they'll break through a collar, then a prong isn't going to stop them anyway. I've seen enough labs out of control dragging their obviously over 100 pound owners to know that IF my danes were untrained, they would have no problem getting wherever they needed to go collar with human attached or not.

At 13 months my female dane was attacked by a boxer on a flexi in petsmart and she did not retaliate, she looked at me and asked what to do. At 2 she is a the stable, "control" dog for reactive dog classes. She does NOT need a prong or anything else as back up because she is trained to be trustworthy and reliable and NOT reactive.
My other dane, the ex-feral rescue, routinely IGNORES the little dogs at the vets office who snarl and lunge at him while their owners think its cute how they challenge the big dog . But MINE are the ones who need a prong or some sort of "backup" because they're over 100 pounds?
How about we say its dogs who aren't trained who are the problem, not those of a certain size? BSL anyone? Geeez!

:rofl1::rofl1::rofl1: Thats why I want a mastiff and have a dog that is currently 112 pounds. And yes they are backed up. Its called being a PROACTIVE owner IMO. If you own a dog you cant pick up or easily move if something GOD forbid happened you should have two ways. One a bit more convincing then the other. Like we have a leather collar or soon a Collarmania collar and a prong because if some other dog attacks mine I want a peice of equipement that I can use to MAKE SURE i can get them away. Or god forbid something triggers something I have control.
Sorry but to me if you have that big a dog you must be proactive or dont own it. End of story.

Because if you make a collar big enough for a Dane or St. Bernard, shouldn't it hold one?

It probably did until it was damaged or worn out. But, I've never seen a strength listing on any collar hardware.

Actually the one the Dane was in was new. Why would the companies care if it holds the dog? Its not their responsibilty.

I NEVER walk my dogs without back up.
And I make my own products.
And I'll tell you why: I may make the collar and/or lead, but I DO NOT make the hardware that goes on it. A dog can shake, and even if you have the BEST bolt snap on your leash, if a dog shakes just right, and as it's shaking, the latch on the leash snap smacks down, and POOF! the bolt snap opens.
I've had it happen on leashes that aren't mine and one leash that was was mine. The snap wasn't broken, and it wasn't faulty. My dog shook, and the latch got smacked down from her shaking.
Thank GOD I realized she was unlatched before she did. But it happens.

I'll put hybrid quick release buckles on my dogs, but it'll never be the only thing I'm walking them in.

Thank you.

 

[Upendi&Mina]

Probably not the wisest choice, and this is why I only use plastic buckle collars for tag collars and attach the leash to a martingale.

 

[Danefied]

Its called being a PROACTIVE owner IMO. If you own a dog you cant pick up or easily move if something GOD forbid happened you should have two ways. One a bit more convincing then the other. Like we have a leather collar or soon a Collarmania collar and a prong because if some other dog attacks mine I want a peice of equipement that I can use to MAKE SURE i can get them away. Or god forbid something triggers something I have control.
Sorry but to me if you have that big a dog you must be proactive or dont own it. End of story.

I am proactive, thanks
I put a lot of time in to training, socializing, and working with my dogs, and I know that even if they weren't on a leash at all, they can either handle themselves as the good doggy ambassadors that they are, or I can get them out of there with my voice.
I think its a bit much to say I shouldn't own a giant breed dog because I won't put a prong on them for back up. Their training and trust in their humans IS my back-up.

 

[darkchild16]

I am proactive, thanks
I put a lot of time in to training, socializing, and working with my dogs, and I know that even if they weren't on a leash at all, they can either handle themselves as the good doggy ambassadors that they are, or I can get them out of there with my voice.
I think its a bit much to say I shouldn't own a giant breed dog because I won't put a prong on them for back up. Their training and trust in their humans IS my back-up.

Mine are trained too but sorry if a dog is attacking them I'm not going to rely on my voice. PLUS if I'm there hes not going to back down and let the dog near me.

 

[Danefied]

Mine are trained too but sorry if a dog is attacking them I'm not going to rely on my voice. PLUS if I'm there hes not going to back down and let the dog near me.

Is your dog ever off leash?

If another dog is attacking my dog, I really don't think I'm going to be dragging him out of there by the leash, I'm going to allow my dog to defend himself (within reason) and intervene on his behalf.
IME most dogs are conflict avoiders, and given the right tools, most can diffuse situations a lot better than we give them credit for.

 

[Chewbecca]

Is your dog ever off leash?
IME most dogs are conflict avoiders, and given the right tools, most can diffuse situations a lot better than we give them credit for.

Have you ever met an APBT being attacked by another dog?

Um, not all, but A LOT, are NOT going to go out of their way to avoid that conflict. That is almost a promise. Almost.

 

[Linds]

Meh. Know your dogs is my motto.

But I don't use plastic buckles because I think they are as ugly as sin and HATE the look of them.

But I've also never been one to use a backup collar either because I just don't see the need for them with my dogs. Traveler is a given being 40 pounds, but Kaylee and Hannah are both closer to 100 then not and I've never used one. Kaylee doesn't pull and if told she's listen to commands even scared out of her mind more out of reflex than desire. Not using a backup collar isn't a conscious decision, it's just not something that's ever shown itself to be needed or something I worry about.

Again, people know their dogs for the most part