Why Cigarettes Should Cost $10 a Pack

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http://pokedandprodded.health.com/2008/11/16/why-cigarettes-should-cost-10-a-pack/

As the U.S. government throws tax money on the banking bonfire, you have to wonder how many billion-dollar notes are left in the Washington ATM machine for health-care reform. If an income-tax hike isn’t in the cards for 95% of Americans, there will surely be a revenue hunt elsewhere.

The last time a president was looking for major health-reform dollars, it was Bill Clinton, and he targeted tobacco. The reform didn’t happen, but federal, state, and municipal taxes on cigarettes soared from about 52 cents a pack in 1994 to $2.22 per pack in 2007.

Despite that rise, tobacco tax revenue falls far short of the health-care bill associated with tobacco-related disease.

Why pick on tobacco even more?
According to data from R.J. Reynolds, total tobacco taxes in 2007 were $22.4 billion. The company is outraged about that, but consider this November 13 statement from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC): “Smoking in the United States causes 443,000 deaths annually and costs $193 billion.â€

Now 443,000 is one of those hideous death counts that numbs the mind. But I’m betting we’re all a bit better these days at processing numbers like $193 billion. And if that’s what smokers are costing the economy, shouldn’t they—so to speak—help bail out health care?

Here are the laudable things about a new health-costs tobacco levy.

* It wouldn’t tax people for something they depend upon for their lives or livelihoods.
* Although not every smoker gets sick, and it can take several decades for sickness to set in, the tax can reasonably be thought of as a health-insurance policy for high-risk addicts, rather than a scattershot “sin tax.â€
* There’s evidence that higher cigarette costs drive down consumption (as happens with alcohol), which may be why the tobacco companies rail against hiking taxes. (The only real news in the CDC report was that there was a healthy one-point drop in American smoking rates between 2006 and 2007, from 20.8% to 19.8%, but the government’s goal to drop rates to 12% by 2010 is doomed.)

The objections are many
First, why should smokers be targeted more than heavy drinkers, overeaters, and motorcycle riders in numskull states like Colorado that don’t require helmets? Second, a fat, flat tax discriminates against the poor, who are more likely to have lousy health care already and spend a disproportionate amount of their income on a tobacco habit. Third, onerous tax hikes encourage tobacco smuggling, illegal Internet sales, and other tax-avoidance behavior.

All fair points. It’s hard to support a rise in the tobacco tax without targeting booze as well. But do these objections outweigh the urgent need for money to reform health care?

We’ll see if president-elect Barack Obama takes the Clinton lead; it would do him no political good in North Carolina. But the smoking challenge highlights the enormous financial implications that result when people make themselves sick in one of the costliest healthcare systems in the world.

Related Links:
How Much Money Are You Spending on Cigarettes?
97 Reasons to Quit Smoking
As Wall Street Burns, Smokers Light Up

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Yes, I quit smoking two weeks ago cold turkey. No patches, gums, etc. I yam in zealot phase, appease me.
 

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Pack of 10 costs just under £3 here.

20 you're looking at £5.

Out the machine - 16 - £6.20.

So yeah, we pay a LOT of tax.
 

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I think the biggest deterent to smoking is not the price - ask any smoker, they FIND the money somehow.

The smoking ban has had the biggest impact I think.

Definately a LOT less smokers than there was 10 years ago. The ban has been in place for a year now, and I can't even remember what it was like being able to smoke in pubs now!! As a smoker (in denial) I would never want to smoke IN a public building now. Not sure I've cut down socially as a result? The culture has moved to huddles of people chatting outside over a cig now... complaining about the weather ;)

But yes, make people smoke outdoors in a cold climate and you're all set to win the war on cigs :D
 
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As always I think it should be up to the individual. It should be up to them to pay for their habit and pay for THEIR health care. Im against any new taxes because the government never uses the money for something I approve of, so the less they have the less they can screw up. I hate smoking with a passion, I would rather smell vomit or carrion than cigarette smoke. However, I cant expect my rights and freedoms to remain intact while I attack someone elses.
 

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What?
Cigarettes here commonly cost 8-13 dollars. LOL But then again, everything in canada is more expensive than in the US.
 
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If they go with that, i would certainly like to see the same tax mentallity applied to almost any food that is found in the center isles of stores, ie not the fresh meat and produce, also apply the same type taxes to fast foods, all of them, and especially to sodas, diet and regular.
 

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If they go with that, i would certainly like to see the same tax mentallity applied to almost any food that is found in the center isles of stores, ie not the fresh meat and produce, also apply the same type taxes to fast foods, all of them, and especially to sodas, diet and regular.
Oh they will, they just have to tackle one step at a time ;)
 

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They raised it here in Holland. Came as a surprise, lol, I bought a pack last week for four euros, and went to buy them today before someone said that it went up 50 cents (thankfully before I payed, I am a person of habit, I have my money out to just hand it over and throw the pack in my purse and wouldn't have gotten the price difference before the cashier had to stop me from walking out the door :rofl1:).
 

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Oh. mah. god.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Harry & Stumpy made a funny.
That's good schtuff right there.
 
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I'm not sure what's so funny, but, this is interesting...and not humorous.

Normally, I would spend at least 8.50 on cigarettes a day. And have, for at least 20 years.

In today's market, that means I spent 255.00 per month on cigarettes. Now, let's say that 50% of that time, I actually smoked 2.5 packs of cigarettes a day...so add some and end up at 318.60 per month. At twelve months that's 3,823.20 a year. In 5 years, that's almost 20,000.

I'd love a cigarette right now...btw...but not at that cost. Regardless of the health issues, it's actually pleasant living without them. Plus, I can breathe!

I don't cough and it's amazing to see how fast the body does recover from the abuse of tobacco exposure. Who knows, maybe I will graduate to an anti-second hand smoke vigilante...hmmm.

Maybe if the tax on alcohol was higher, there'd be less drunk people on the road or in the streets and/or on internet forums.
 

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That's a load of BS....

The price of Cigarettes in Canada has been darn close to $10 if not more for a few years now... and guess what.....

people CONTINUE TO SMOKE.

Less Drunk people on internet forums? LOL.... are drunk people on internet forums a danger? I didn't realize chaz had an alcohol induced posting problem.
 
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I'd pay pretty close to anything for my fix. Sure I'd rather you DIDN'T raise my taxes and make my cigarettes 10 bucks a pack, but I'd still smoke.
 

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Less Drunk people on internet forums? LOL.... are drunk people on internet forums a danger? I didn't realize chaz had an alcohol induced posting problem.
Sorry, sorry...my log-in breathalyzer is down... :eek:

Even though I work in a bar now, with the full knowledge that it's one of the last indoor smoking refuges in the state, I really wish it wasn't. I hate smelling cig smoke for DAYS after I leave, it makes me nauseous...and it's hard to talk at the end of the day when you've been breathing in smoke all day long.
 

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Sorry, sorry...my log-in breathalyzer is down... :eek:
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LOL well lets hurry and get it back up and running....

We just CAN'T have you running wild on here and making all your crazy drunken posts.

Perhaps the bar is a bad influence on you :p
 

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man, Zoom, I don't know how you could do it. Dig smoke is too disgusting

I personally don't see what would be wrong with bumping up the prices.


Eta: who said chaz had drunken people posting? Way to assume somebody said that
 

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