What would you do if you was attacked by a man with a knife at Night

[Claybuster]

King Edward Medical University in Pakistan is one of the best medical universeties in the world......

I don't think they can throw someone out of their house for medical. I think if you inherited a house, at that point in time they could come after payment, forcing a sale of the home if there was a lien? But I don't think they can legally take your house if it is your main residence.

You have to consider the extreme poverty in India as the sole factor as to why things are considerable much cheaper, but not necessarily better. What we need is more and more people to do this sort of thing which will force our health care system to compete. I know someone who went over for dental work (who also happens to be Indian) and he said what would amount to a few hundred dollars would have cost 1000's here in the US. It's a no brainer for some if your willing to travel. We need more of that, forcing our system to compete. Instead of socialized medicine the government should provide socialized air to fly people for free round-trip to get work done, probably be cheaper in the long run.

 

[FoxyWench]

hey id go fro free airfaire lol...

and yes legally they can reposess your house, essentially forclosing on it...
what happens is the bank pays the hospital ect what you owe them this money is leant ontop of the value of your home (essentially like a second morgtage or a refinance) then they top it with a more expensive interest rate than the origioanl bill which doesnt just add to the excess it goes on the entire mortgage, if you cant afford the new morgtage the bank forcloses on your home and you get to find a shiney new one...which may by that point be impossible because it KILLS your credit rating.

so while the bill collectors dont officially take your home...by second party (the bank) they can and WILL take your home.

and unfortunatly the number of forclosed properties and people filing bankrupys is incredibly high and increasing in the past 5 years.
it is unfortunatly a very real and very scary problem facing many countries noweverdays...
not only for medical bills but for all bills, lots of people take on more than they can afford, or base things on 2 incomes then one looses a job..all of a sudden you loose everything...house car...its scary how easy everythign can be lost from taking on even a few dollars of too much debt!

 

[AndrewF]

I was waiting for somebody to drop this one. Also, of course it does not make sense to you. As a admitted atheist, what could you really understand about faith?

(snip)

I have to add I find it hilarious how hard you heathens try to point out when we of faith SEEM to act in ways YOU do not think is correct. Why?

Some of us 'heathens' come from the faith. And while I don't claim to be an expert in religion, even I seem to recall something about a 'thou shalt not kill' or something to that effect .

You might find it hilarious, but there are some better publisized portions of the bible, like the 10 commandments, that a lot of people are going to be familiar with (and judge you with), and a lot of instances where war and killing have been sanctioned that are much less known - even to "christians" who maybe haven't browsed through the whole book.

 

[sparks19]

Some of us 'heathens' come from the faith. And while I don't claim to be an expert in religion, even I seem to recall something about a 'thou shalt not kill' or something to that effect .

You might find it hilarious, but there are some better publisized portions of the bible, like the 10 commandments, that a lot of people are going to be familiar with (and judge you with), and a lot of instances where war and killing have been sanctioned that are much less known - even to "christians" who maybe haven't browsed through the whole book.

Well.... While everyone and their brother knows the ten commandments and will use them again any person of faith whenever they have the chance.... I will NOT be a victim if I can help it. If it is "kill or be killed" rest assured.... I WILL kill. I will not just stand there like a chump.... I also will not just go out and kill for the fun of it but I will defend myself to the death if I have to.....

And if it ever comes to that.... I will face my judgement from God.... not from anyone else.

BUT what cracks me up the most is not that they use the parts they know of the bible to try to "catch" those of faith.... but more so that the people that are judging those of faith the most on this board are the ones that constantly say "you shouldn't judge people..." and yet here they are.... JUDGING. AND also.... what is it they are trying to prove with that? Are they trying to prove that those of faith don't actually have faith? WHAT? I don't get it lol.

But I honestly can't say what I would do in such a situation. I would like to say that I would fight (if I couldn't get away safely).... but having never been in such a situation.... i really dont know what I would ACTUALLY do. I may do just as I say I would.... but I may also freeze up and do nothing at all.... who knows.

 

[blue]

Whats that quote?

Evil will only triumph with the indifference of good people?

 

[AndrewF]

BUT what cracks me up the most is not that they use the parts they know of the bible to try to "catch" those of faith.... but more so that the people that are judging those of faith the most on this board are the ones that constantly say "you shouldn't judge people..." and yet here they are.... JUDGING. AND also.... what is it they are trying to prove with that? Are they trying to prove that those of faith don't actually have faith? WHAT? I don't get it lol.

LOL! Aside from the obvious contradiction that can be seen from miles around - because, as you put it - 'everyone and their brother' - seems to know the ten commandments, how do you think it looks? (excluding the other part I mentioned about when killing has been sanctioned in the bible)

If you (as an example) stand up and say that you're beliefs define a large part of who you are right now and then say, 'yeah, I'd kill someone if I had to, in this particular instance', how do you realistically expect someone won't ask a question or make a statement about it? This is the internet....it's going to happen.

This goes a long way towards what a lot of my (rare) serious posts drive towards.....perspective. Everyone's got one and they're all going to be slightly/vastly different. Instead of just defending yours or harshing on someone elses (not you specifically), look at why someone elses is different. A statement may seem stupid or arrogant to you, but you might just happen to know something they don't.

 

[blue]

For those who believe killing is never justified...

If you came across a man raping somebody, would you use deadly force to stop him if he wouldnt stop and restrain otherwise?

 

[puppydog]

I don't call you a fanatical bible puncher, please don't call me a heathen. I happen to be an educated, civilised human being that does not feel the need to adopt a religion to help me with day to day life. I rely on myself.

 

[Jules]

For those who believe killing is never justified...

If you came across a man raping somebody, would you use deadly force to stop him if he wouldnt stop and restrain otherwise?

I never said that killing is never justified. I just think that laws like Puck stated leave gaps which are way to open and unspecified. Yeah, it may sound handy dandy, If there's someone on my property who makes me feel threatened, I am allowed to blow this guy's brains out.

If I witness someone raping someone and will not stop I will give him a good blow to the head and knock him out. Just because I disagree with plastering guts and brains with my shotgun the second I feel threatened, doesn't mean that I can't defend myself. I just believe in using necessary and reasonable force needed. And that does not start with using lethal force.

 

[Puckstop31]

Good points Andrew.

I believe that at the moment of Salvation, you are forgiven for all the sin you have and all the sin you will commit. This does not absolve you from trying to live as the Lord desires. We should all try to always live as Jesus taught us, but of course that will never be 100% possible. He was perfect and we are not. God knows that too. He knows if our hearts are pure, even if sometimes our actions are not.

But like I have said, i've done much soul searching on the issue. If it comes down to it, I am going to defend myself and my family. If God sends me to hell for that, so be it.

As for the constant "gotcha" stuff from the non-believers. You could say that it is that they just do not understand and for some, it is. But for others, I think it is a guilty conscience looking to justify itself. (No, not you Andrew...LOL)

Puppydog. My apology for using the word out of context. I did mean the first definition, which is a person not of faith. The second adds the "unclean and uncivil person."

 

[FoxyWench]

my religious crede states karmas a bitch...in a few more eloquent sentences of course...but im right there with jules...knocking the guy out and restraining him untill the cops get there is a much better option if availabel than simply blowing their brains out...
think about it...what better punishment for a rapist than to head off to prison and become someones very special friend...

and before anyone says "well you woudnt think that if it was you" at one point in my life it WAS me and the man didnt walk away, infact he could probably still to this day sing soprano for the vinenna boys choir, AND hes made some very nice "friends" in prison...

 

[blue]

I never said that killing is never justified. I just think that laws like Puck stated leave gaps which are way to open and unspecified. Yeah, it may sound handy dandy, If there's someone on my property who makes me feel threatened, I am allowed to blow this guy's brains out.

If I witness someone raping someone and will not stop I will give him a good blow to the head and knock him out. Just because I disagree with plastering guts and brains with my shotgun the second I feel threatened, doesn't mean that I can't defend myself. I just believe in using necessary and reasonable force needed. And that does not start with using lethal force.

Where did I say, you said killing was never justified?

The option of knocking out an assailent isnt allways there.

 

[sparks19]

LOL! Aside from the obvious contradiction that can be seen from miles around - because, as you put it - 'everyone and their brother' - seems to know the ten commandments, how do you think it looks? (excluding the other part I mentioned about when killing has been sanctioned in the bible)

If you (as an example) stand up and say that you're beliefs define a large part of who you are right now and then say, 'yeah, I'd kill someone if I had to, in this particular instance', how do you realistically expect someone won't ask a question or make a statement about it? This is the internet....it's going to happen.

This goes a long way towards what a lot of my (rare) serious posts drive towards.....perspective. Everyone's got one and they're all going to be slightly/vastly different. Instead of just defending yours or harshing on someone elses (not you specifically), look at why someone elses is different. A statement may seem stupid or arrogant to you, but you might just happen to know something they don't.

And I definitely see your point... however when someone throws around the idea that someone "has no problem with killing" or "enjoys" killing.... that is just bullsh!t IMO. That statement was probably one of the most ridiculous things I have ever heard on this forum.... and then to tie his enjoyment of killing in with his faith? CR@P and nothing more. So my post was mostly directed towards that particular statement.... not just anyone that questions actions and faith.

 

[AndrewF]

And I definitely see your point... however when someone throws around the idea that someone "has no problem with killing" or "enjoys" killing.... that is just bullsh!t IMO. That statement was probably one of the most ridiculous things I have ever heard on this forum.... and then to tie his enjoyment of killing in with his faith? CR@P and nothing more. So my post was mostly directed towards that particular statement.... not just anyone that questions actions and faith.

Gotcha.

I interpreted the persons comment PS quoted of 'no problem' as a lack of hesitation where it would have been expected. If that's wrong, then my bad

 

[sparks19]

Gotcha.

I interpreted the persons comment PS quoted of 'no problem' as a lack of hesitation where it would have been expected. If that's wrong, then my bad

Well you are bad

I wish this site had a smiley with a wagging finger lol

IMO, if that was what they meant then theyw ouldn't have deleted their post after making it. But I guess it really is just up to interpretation. Either way it was a very stupid thing to say.

The way I see things is hesitation in a deadly situation can kill you. If you pause for one moment you give the attacker the upper hand and give them time. Basically I think you must try to be faster than the attacker if you can be.... hesitation can give them that moment they need to accomplish their goal. NOW that is not to say that if someone approached me with a knife and just asked for my wallet that I would just shoot them.... I wouldn't... I would hand over my wallet or whatever else.... or if I am at a decent distance I would let them know I have such a weapon. But in this instance if the attacker just lashed out at me with a weapon.... to me that means they want to do bodily harm and possibly kill me.... I don't want to find out what that is.... I will use deadly force if I must.... but again this is all up for speculation because I have never been attacked in such a way so I do not know that I would not hesitate... for my sake I hope that I would not because it could mean the difference between life or death for me.

 

[Claybuster]

In regards to the gun topic, my thoughts are this:

I have been a gun owner for many years, both shotguns and handguns. Connecticut offers concealed carry permits. CCP's in most instances will not be your saving grace. Chances are, if that time ever comes there is already going to be a gun in your face. You turn around from an ATM, you're walking around a corner, you're coming out of a store, etc., the gun is already on you
pointing at you. You are not going to out-draw that person and in that situation just best to give up the wallet, watch, ring, whatever. Again, you will not out-draw that individual, they already have you beat. There is hope though with some types of holsters. They make a small back pocket holster that looks like a wallet (DeSantis Trickster), nice for the small NAA pistols like the Guardian or something like the Beretta Bobcat or Tomcat. You could be acting like digging out your wallet and come out blasting, but that is assuming you are carrying with one in the pipe. Most don't feel comfortable carrying one in the pipe, still a very dicey situation and risky; they still have they upper-hand with the gun already on you. Knowing that, you're not going to out-draw someone, a CCP is really only useful for the defensive situation. You see trouble ahead, you take a defensive position and wait to see what happens, but you are ready to fire. Even in your home, the best thing to do even with a gun and you know someone is breaking in, get your firearm, secure the family, and take up the defensive position. Call the police immediately and tell them there is an intruder. Stay low and be ready to come up blasting when the intruder ventures your way, but casing your own home is best for the police. Don't get yourself shot with the family still upstairs. Be defensive, yet don't go looking for trouble. Know your target and backdrop. There are special bullets called Glaziers I think that are very effective up close like a shotgun blast, but won't penetrate your walls.
Last think you want is to miss and have that bullet travel into another room or toward your neighbors house.

A person with a CCP against an assailant with a knife is a different story. Chances are you casually open up your jacket an expose the butt of the gun from the inside-the-pant holster, your knife guy is going to back down and take a quick walk away. Picking up the tab on a murder, even justified, can be a tough thing to live with, and you may think about it every day for the rest of your life, especially knowing it didn't necessarily have to be that way.

Many people have problems, especially with drug use. Somebody is in your home looking to steal the silverware, rooting through the drawers for something to pawn off to get a quick fix. Do they deserve to die? You need analyze the situation quickly and make a determination. Do they have a gun, are they out to harm you and your family, is it a teenager or young adult
who really needs some help as opposed to a bullet in the head? Tough call and many would just assume shoot. Offering somebody a second chance at life even though you could have legally wasted them away in a split second may not be all that bad of an option; especially for a young person just starting out in life who has temporarily found his life in some rocky soil. Any doubts, don't take a chance being Mr. nice guy, pull the trigger.

 

[Dizzy]

A person with a CCP against an assailant with a knife is a different story. Chances are you casually open up your jacket an expose the butt of the gun from the inside-the-pant holster, your knife guy is going to back down and take a quick walk away. Picking up the tab on a murder, even justified, can be a tough thing to live with, and you may think about it every day for the rest of your life, especially knowing it didn't necessarily have to be that way.

Many people have problems, especially with drug use. Somebody is in your home looking to steal the silverware, rooting through the drawers for something to pawn off to get a quick fix. Do they deserve to die? You need analyze the situation quickly and make a determination. Do they have a gun, are they out to harm you and your family, is it a teenager or young adult
who really needs some help as opposed to a bullet in the head? Tough call and many would just assume shoot. Offering somebody a second chance at life even though you could have legally wasted them away in a split second may not be all that bad of an option; especially for a young person just starting out in life who has temporarily found his life in some rocky soil.

Crikey, I agree with a lot of that.

 

[Puckstop31]

Many people have problems, especially with drug use. Somebody is in your home looking to steal the silverware, rooting through the drawers for something to pawn off to get a quick fix. Do they deserve to die? You need analyze the situation quickly and make a determination. Do they have a gun, are they out to harm you and your family, is it a teenager or young adult
who really needs some help as opposed to a bullet in the head? Tough call and many would just assume shoot. Offering somebody a second chance at life even though you could have legally wasted them away in a split second may not be all that bad of an option; especially for a young person just starting out in life who has temporarily found his life in some rocky soil. Any doubts, don't take a chance being Mr. nice guy, pull the trigger.

I know it may sound evil, but this is me being honest.


I don't care about ANY of this. Any armed intruder in my home if a slab, period. We all make choices and have to deal with the consequences. When the moment of truth arrives, you will never have the time to consider these things. If you hesitate, you could be dead.

As for weapon choices... My home defence weapon is a Mossberg 88. I use a really light trap load, as to not penetrate inner walls and possibly not necessarily kill the intruder. At best though he/she will have one heck of a bruise and will certianly be knocked unconcious by the blast.

 

[Claybuster]

Any armed intruder in my home if a slab, period.

An armed intruder is a no brainer. I would shoot first, ask questions later.

A light trap load will take a head off at close range like in a room and blow a hole in the wall.

A friend of mine had a break in once and his daughter 18 at the time home alone upstairs taking a nap. She heard them come in and got an O/U shotgun out from other the bed, got the shells out and loaded up. As they started up the steps she come around and pointed the shotgun down the steps at them. He said that thing is not loaded so she fired once over their heads and blew a hole in the wall behind. They ran like all he!! and she called the cops, reported she saw them get into a black van. Police caught up with them later trying to get into another house. If that was me and someone said that is not loaded after breaking in, they're gone.

Someone young, like my kids age, doing something stupid like a break-in as a young teenager, unarmed. I don't know. You're right, it is tough to analyze quickly and you never know. Hopefully we won't find out.

 

[Renee750il]

Well, this thread has certainly made me appreciate Bimmer and Kharma even MORE . . . if that's possible. Of course, if someone tries to come in and hurts one of my dogs . . . then gods help him. I've got no problem with getting my hands dirty.