What should I do?

Kye&Rio

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First off, I just want to say I want a discussion about what's best for this dog, not anything about responsibility and commitment and all that. Pretty please?

I'm just about in tears thinking about it. Here's our story:

My Kye was my first girl, adopted her from the shelter on November 28, 2008. I read somewhere of someone calling one of their dogs their "heart dog" and that's what Kye is for me. I'd seriously wither away and die without her.

When Kye was 8 months old, I ended up taking on another girl, my Rio. My understanding, when I decided to foster her, was that the girl (who I had worked with when I first moved into town so that's how I knew her) didn't have the time for her and lost her interest. Okay, fine, I'll take her in, teach her some things, and send her on her way to a forever home. Kye was my first dog ever, and I certainly knew better by then than to actually want two puppies, lol!

Right.

When I first got to the house to pick up Rio (then Zoe), she was tied to a tree with access to her crate (door off), no water and huge-kibbled mainstays dog food. She retreated to her crate and continued to growl at me.

I took her home anyways, obviously, especially after she told me how her ex boyfriend (as of about a week before) would beat her; pottying in the house, getting in the garbage, climbing all over his car and scratching the paint (?), you know, the things puppies do, all resulted in a beating.

She definitely has issues. I couldn't get anywhere near her really for the first little bit, she was terrified of everyone, anything, all the time. The first time she met Kye she was terrified and it was not a good encounter. I didn't know better. Now, of course, they're the bestest buds ever.

So the first people who had her kept her, as a little puppy, locked in her crate (which I still have) full of her waste and the kids would tease her. Then she went to the other girl and the boyfriend beat her.

I'm obviously being pretty broad with the whole story, but I'm covering all the main points as best I can. There's alot to it, lol.

So anyways, it's been..9ish months with her, and we've finally almost got a bond going on. She knows sit, stay, down, off, come, "get in the tub", "go to bed", leave it, "bring it here", "find it" and "drop it". A few months ago, she started coming to me for love. For love! It was amazing. She doesn't flinch anymore, and she loves everyone, 'cept a girlfriend of mine, who is short, tiny and high-voiced and Rio doesn't like her at all.

She was terrified of bigger men (say over the 200 pound range...the beating bf was a big dude) but now, if you're not careful, she lands in their lap, licking them and wiggling. As I said, I think it's amazing. I remember the first time she met my big ol' dad, he said to her "hey baby" and she yelped and ran away from us and wouldn't come back around. Now, she loves dad. I remember my friend Dean to come help me with further introductions with Kye and Rio, right in the beginning, and he took his hand out of his pocked and she shied. She loves Dean now, and his beagle Trapper.

As I said, Kye was my first dog ever. Never had one growing up, none of that. My grandparents had a shih-tzu/maltese though.

Rio is still aggressive towards dogs, and in the past, she has gone after kids and actually nipped/bit them. The first time, we chaulked it up to excitement, and it scared the little boy more than it hurt. We had people over, another dog, and thought she just got a little carried away with her puppy-ness. You know how puppies are. Then it happened a few minutes later, the boy got upset and she gave him one of those little red blood-bruises, if you know what I mean. I was halfway across the yard at this point and she ended up getting rolled and yelled at and dragged into the outdoor kennel. Now, kids are the enemy to her, she is terrified them. I got a phone call one day when I was working at the shelter and another little boy had been brought over and she got him too. I was furious that it had been allowed to happen again.

I lack the knowledge and experience to make her better. Not the knowledge, maybe, I know the theory of it all, but I've never done it, and going for walks with her scares me. She's a bc/husky, she needs walks. I'm scared to walk her. They're always brief, with my heart pounding the whole time, and just leaves her more anxious.

I've been in touch with more than one behavioural trainer..I can't afford it. Not until summer at least. Then she'll be two years old. I just moved a bunch of times, sold my truck, got a good job making decent cash, but I'm not getting ahead and with vaccinations for all four, and spays for the cats, there isn't much left over for a 6-week "aggressive dog" course. There's nothing I can really cut back on to save cash..TV comes with the rent, groceries, the phone, gas, insurance, internet that comes with rent, and the fax line, and long distance calling..I'm scared I'm running out of time. With the dog thing too, she just loses her mind...I've tried using a Halti but like I said, I can't accomplish anything when I'm afraid. I take them an hour out of the city to go offleash, on crown land in the middle of nowhere.

And then I think about my other girl, Kye. She's well socialized, trained, lacking some manners maybe but a real lover, and learning all the time. She makes friends with every human, dog, cat or kid, although she likes kids a little too much, lol.

At my job, I can bring my dogs to work. I don't, because of Rio. Work would be a great tool for me but I'm there alone most of the time, and I can't manage a store and work on Rio's fear at the same time. Kids and dogs come in all the time, and Rio is a nervous wreck, not to mention I'm terrified something'll happen. So I play it safe and leave them both at home, but I feel guilty cuz Kye could come...but I can't take one and leave the other. I'm a terrible suck, I know. But gawd. I just love them so much and I don't know what's the best thing to do for both of them right now. Not dealing with it is definitely not the right thing to do, though.

So I'm left wondering if I should find Rio a secure home with someone knowledgeable, experienced and dedicated. It'll probably be hard to find, and I can't believe I'm even thinking about it. I feel terrible. I myself am dedicated to my girls, but I do lack the experience to make Rio better. I do. Ugh. I've worried about what will become of all of us eventually if we just keep going the way we are. I can handle it, the daily dog things, and veterinary maintenance and all that isn't an issue, but I don't think I'm creating the best environment for the two of them. But how can I trust anyone to take her, my precious, fragile but blossomed baby?

I don't know what to do for them.
 

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IF you can find the right home or someone who can work with her and foster her till she is ready for her forever home.. that is likely the best plan. If I didn't have so much darn school I would offer to take her. I have had lots come here from rescue to be fostered that have issues. Its long process but soo worth it.
 

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IF you can find the right home or someone who can work with her and foster her till she is ready for her forever home.. that is likely the best plan. If I didn't have so much darn school I would offer to take her. I have had lots come here from rescue to be fostered that have issues. Its long process but soo worth it.
It's going to be really hard for me to let her go, if that's what I decide. I think deep down I know that's best but I think it would be selfish of me to keep her just because I love her, but then I think, "am I really actually asking myself this question?" I just want what's best for all of us.

Bah. Iunno.
 

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Either you need help, or you need to find someone who can do it themselves
 

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Do what is right for the dog. If you can't give the dog the attention it needs then the best thing to do would be to rehome the dog with someone that can. A person that can correct the behavioral problems and aggressive issues would be best. It will make the dog much happier. Seems to me the dog would be better as the only dog in the household and that person can work on the aggressive issues. The problem would be finding the right person because you would have to find a person who has been able to solve those issues with other dogs in the past.
 

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Do what is right for the dog. If you can't give the dog the attention it needs then the best thing to do would be to rehome the dog with someone that can. A person that can correct the behavioral problems and aggressive issues would be best. It will make the dog much happier. Seems to me the dog would be better as the only dog in the household and that person can work on the aggressive issues. The problem would be finding the right person because you would have to find a person who has been able to solve those issues with other dogs in the past.
Thanks. It makes me feel better to know it's not just me that feels this way. There's no way she'd go to anyone who hasn't handled these issues before...and I want it to be a household with no other dogs or kids. There's no way I'd let her go to just anybody, she's not a "just anybody" dog.

As hard as it is..you should do what is best for the dog...
It is hard. Really hard. I've tried, but I can't get over my own fear, not of her, but of what could happen. I know it's the best thing for her and it's so so hard.

I'm kind of in denial with myself that I'm actually deciding to rehome her. I have to, for her sake as well as my other dogs' sake.

Double blah.
 

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I feel for you, but I think that she will be incredibly hard to rehome. I mean realisticically, you are looking for someone with quite a lot of experience with dogs, and if you went with the suggestion posted above (no other dogs in the household), I can't help but think good luck lol.

Also, are you at all concerned with liability issues?

I think my gut is telling me that you should try all options before looking for another home. I mean summer isn't incredibly far off.

Could you try contacting a trainer and putting together a payment plan? Or asking her if you could do a few odd jobs for some help?

I guess I am just really hesitant when it comes to rehoming potentially dangerous dogs =/
 

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I understand it can seem embarrassing initially, but it may be in the best interest of both you, Rio, basically everyone, to purchase a fitted muzzle for her. This hopefully will enable you to take her on walks and let her have exercise, without risking anyone's safety - if you have the strength to control her, of course. Perhaps it makes most folks hesitant, but it really is a very practical thing to do if you have an aggressive dog, and it's not as though she'll need to wear it 24/7, just in the right times. It's interesting though, because she gets along with Kye, yeah? ...She sounds entirely fear aggressive, which correct me if I'm wrong, can very likely be cured with time, patience, and consistency.. so there's definitely hope there. If anything, even if you currently can't afford to give her all of the necessary time, it sounds like she is in the best possible place for the time being. I would much rather have her with you, than her previous homes or in a shelter! And who knows, while you're searching for the perfect home for her, maybe the circumstances controlling your environment will change, or you'll have a change of heart about your training abilities, and you'll be able to keep her as a permanent fixture after all.. ? Time can change a lot, and it sounds like it might take a bit of time to find this girl the right place. In that would respect, I would start searching for rescue/rehabilitation groups.

Oh - one more suggestion for a dog - aggressive - dog - while you have her, try to find a possibly fenced in, rarely visited area where you might be able to let her off leash for a few spins.

It seems like a task, but it also seems as though you know what's best for both of your dogs, however temporary one might be. I don't really see any qualms with responsibility or commitment in this situation, you really look like you're doing the right thing here. Thanks for taking her in, who knows where she might be now, without you.
 

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Awe, Madison.

Such a tough call for you. You've worked so hard for Rio and she really has come a long way in your care.

My opinion would be for you to keep her. She knows you, trusts you. Even if you can't provide "the best" for her, you are doing the best you can. You can always seek out a professional trainer later, even if it doesn't fit in your budget at the moment.

Plus I worry about liability too. As someone mentioned, finding a home qualified to take her is going to be hard. And you are always going to wonder about her.

I know you don't want to play favorites, but there's no reason you can't just do stuff with Kye like you want - take her for walks and to work. I know you know that I have a dog that I don't have a bond with. It's actually not that bad to take one dog somewhere and leave the other one home - at least for me. I got some really harsh criticism on the other board for saying that I don't have a bond with Schatze, but I don't let it bother me. The way I feel is the way I feel.

I hope something in there helped. If not, you know you can always talk to me or Mandy about it.
 

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I think that if you look at how much you have accomplished in the time you have had her, it is amazing.

I also don't think you will find a person truly experienced who can do more than you can. Even if they claim they can handle it. I think they would have to get help also and may not do so and then just shuffle her along. I just wouldn't really trust that situation to work out well for the dog in most instances.

You've won her trust. She has her family. I think with time and some help when you are able to get it, you will be able to take her the rest of the way.

Did you ever contact rescues to ask if they had resources? Instead of a class, could you have a trainer come to your house? A one time fee of so much and some techniques for you to work. Then you can have a follow up session later. That way you have less $ you need to come up with.
 

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I feel for you, but I think that she will be incredibly hard to rehome. I mean realisticically, you are looking for someone with quite a lot of experience with dogs, and if you went with the suggestion posted above (no other dogs in the household), I can't help but think good luck lol.

Also, are you at all concerned with liability issues?

I think my gut is telling me that you should try all options before looking for another home. I mean summer isn't incredibly far off.

Could you try contacting a trainer and putting together a payment plan? Or asking her if you could do a few odd jobs for some help?

I guess I am just really hesitant when it comes to rehoming potentially dangerous dogs =/
Hang on, lol, read farther...I just wanted to acknowledge your post :) what type of liability issues? I never thought of that.

I understand it can seem embarrassing initially, but it may be in the best interest of both you, Rio, basically everyone, to purchase a fitted muzzle for her. This hopefully will enable you to take her on walks and let her have exercise, without risking anyone's safety - if you have the strength to control her, of course. Perhaps it makes most folks hesitant, but it really is a very practical thing to do if you have an aggressive dog, and it's not as though she'll need to wear it 24/7, just in the right times. It's interesting though, because she gets along with Kye, yeah? ...She sounds entirely fear aggressive, which correct me if I'm wrong, can very likely be cured with time, patience, and consistency.. so there's definitely hope there. If anything, even if you currently can't afford to give her all of the necessary time, it sounds like she is in the best possible place for the time being. I would much rather have her with you, than her previous homes or in a shelter! And who knows, while you're searching for the perfect home for her, maybe the circumstances controlling your environment will change, or you'll have a change of heart about your training abilities, and you'll be able to keep her as a permanent fixture after all.. ? Time can change a lot, and it sounds like it might take a bit of time to find this girl the right place. In that would respect, I would start searching for rescue/rehabilitation groups.

Oh - one more suggestion for a dog - aggressive - dog - while you have her, try to find a possibly fenced in, rarely visited area where you might be able to let her off leash for a few spins.

It seems like a task, but it also seems as though you know what's best for both of your dogs, however temporary one might be. I don't really see any qualms with responsibility or commitment in this situation, you really look like you're doing the right thing here. Thanks for taking her in, who knows where she might be now, without you.
You'll never guess what happened this afternoon. Rio and I have a guardian angel it seems....

I got the guts to ask a customer at work (pet health food) about what she thought about the situation and if she had any suggestions.

She ended up buying me a book on aggression/fear and signed me up for online dog something-or-other classes. I was pretty upset so I forget exactly what she said, but she's emailing me tonight with the info.

I am a strong believer in fate, and because this lady stepped in out of her own generousity and love for animals, I think Rio's supposed to stay with me. I can't believe how this has turned out, I'm obviously pretty ecstatic, but talk about swinging from one extreme to the other hey! Like wow.

Crowsfeet, you're entirely right with it being fear aggression. Sorry if I gave the wrong impression in my previous posts...other than the fear reactions, she doesn't have a mean bone in her body. I don't want to rehome her, my heart was already breaking today, but with this book and these courses, we'll see how it goes. I want to help her I just don't know how to anymore.

I am so appreciative of this lady; she's enabling me to keep my dog and I can't even begin to think of ways to thank her.
 

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Awe, Madison.

Such a tough call for you. You've worked so hard for Rio and she really has come a long way in your care.

My opinion would be for you to keep her. She knows you, trusts you. Even if you can't provide "the best" for her, you are doing the best you can. You can always seek out a professional trainer later, even if it doesn't fit in your budget at the moment.

Plus I worry about liability too. As someone mentioned, finding a home qualified to take her is going to be hard. And you are always going to wonder about her.

I know you don't want to play favorites, but there's no reason you can't just do stuff with Kye like you want - take her for walks and to work. I know you know that I have a dog that I don't have a bond with. It's actually not that bad to take one dog somewhere and leave the other one home - at least for me. I got some really harsh criticism on the other board for saying that I don't have a bond with Schatze, but I don't let it bother me. The way I feel is the way I feel.

I hope something in there helped. If not, you know you can always talk to me or Mandy about it.

I think that if you look at how much you have accomplished in the time you have had her, it is amazing.

I also don't think you will find a person truly experienced who can do more than you can. Even if they claim they can handle it. I think they would have to get help also and may not do so and then just shuffle her along. I just wouldn't really trust that situation to work out well for the dog in most instances.

You've won her trust. She has her family. I think with time and some help when you are able to get it, you will be able to take her the rest of the way.

Did you ever contact rescues to ask if they had resources? Instead of a class, could you have a trainer come to your house? A one time fee of so much and some techniques for you to work. Then you can have a follow up session later. That way you have less $ you need to come up with.
Awe, I love you guys. Made me cry again.

Read my above post though! I was writing it while the two of you were replying to me. We have a guardian angel!
 

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I've been looking at this book, and it's more about teaching the human how to deal with the dog, I think.

I'm in a wierd mind frame right now, kinda. All morning I was completely devastated that okay, this might be what I have to do, but now, I have this book, it was a gift to use as a tool, and yeah.

She said some things that I were really interesting, something about how are minds work this way, because we're compassionate and giving into failure comes easily, or something along those lines. Talking about feeling trapped and having no other option when sometimes all you need is some empowerment.

I decided today to (grudgingly) switch from our RAW diets to a good grain-free kibble, and setting up a little "trainer fund" for us. I'd love to put Kye in agility, she'd eat it up.

Anyways, enough of just pouring out my feelings for now. I guess that's a good thing about the internet, lol :p
 

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