What Dogs Do You Plan/Want to Get in the Future?
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I'll most likely stick with a Amstaff or Pitbull, I just think they are the perfect dog for me (size, temperment etc..) but when I get older and would have trouble walking two young Amstaffs, I might switch to Boston Terriers. Sometimes I envy people with little dogs. They can take them anywhere and people don't react negatively.
Unfortunately, some of the show lines are being bred down from their original temperaments. That's Shiva's problem - her father was a show dog. We love her dearly and wouldn't trade her for anything, but will never buy another Fila from show lines - working lines only!
Do you mean the Filas are being used as police dogs and are mostly kennel dogs? Actually, whether Fila or GSD - although slightly more so with the Fila as part of their temperament is their incredible need to be with their people - keeping them as kennel dogs is horribly cruel. We know some of the sheriffs in this area and they've asked about future puppies as police dogs but our dogs will never be used in that way. Humans should clean up their own messes, not put other blameless creatures on the line to do their dangerous work for them.
Do you mean the Filas are being used as police dogs and are mostly kennel dogs? Actually, whether Fila or GSD - although slightly more so with the Fila as part of their temperament is their incredible need to be with their people - keeping them as kennel dogs is horribly cruel. We know some of the sheriffs in this area and they've asked about future puppies as police dogs but our dogs will never be used in that way. Humans should clean up their own messes, not put other blameless creatures on the line to do their dangerous work for them.
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Really. One year we had a st bernard stray come along. We took him in while finding him a home. I felt bad because it looked like the poor guy had no room to move. I just think the bernese mountain dog is so pretty and I wouldnt want to crowd it or have it be unhappy because of a small yard. Well, I might have to get me one in the future!
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I havent been going anywhere since I got Gracie so I could work with her on the pottytraining. But this week I've finally left one day for a couple of hours. I put them both in my bedroom for naps, used the babygate rather than close the door (I hate closing the door like that for any length of time). When I got home there they both were sitting at the gate, tails wagging, ready for me to let them out. Then the 2nd time I left again for only an hour. Maybe stupid but I didnt even confine them. I figured Gracie would go take a much needed nap in her bed which she did. I walked in the house and there is Princess laying on the floor in front of the door waiting on me.
That was a nice suprise, wasn't it? Kharma is now the one having to stay in the laundry room while we're gone, as she'd gotten rather cavalier about exploring the counters and anything else that took her fancy, leaving me to come home to face Kharmaggedon. Shiva's been very good in the house since then. I'm hoping she's gotten the idea that if she stays out of trouble she gets to stay inside. Maybe Kharma will catch on after a bit too.
Giant dogs can make good apartment dogs as well! They don't always need a large yard if they are given proper exercise! It used to bother me when we had our dane and people would say "wow, you must have a big yard!" My dane spent all his time in the house napping and being a companion, not in the yard. He was the laziest dog I knew and just laid around and collected dust!! It's not like giant dogs go into the yard and run all day long, actually, the larger the dog the more lazy they are (most of the time)!!! 
On another note, I will always have pugs and a giant, but I am also very fond and considering a Border Terrier, Bouvier, Japanese Chin, Giant Schauzer, Bullmastiff...the list goes on!!
On another note, I will always have pugs and a giant, but I am also very fond and considering a Border Terrier, Bouvier, Japanese Chin, Giant Schauzer, Bullmastiff...the list goes on!! 
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I've never met a showdog fila. Just farm ones bred for their jobs, doubt they even had pedigrees, specially akc or such. I'm not sure what you mean by their original temperaments. Like GSD's, you shouldn't have to train them to protect, but you shouldn't have to train them not to be aggressive, either.
Well, I don't think I said mostly but I will go and reread once I'm done here incase I did. If I did, I didn't mean that.
Yeah, it is cruel . The police GSD's were treated the same and I haven't looked into it in a long time, but they used to kill the dogs when they were done with them because they were not retrainable to be home pets. Even their handlers couldn't really just 'take them home'.
You have to remember Brasil was under military rule for a long time, and the concept of military police dogs around the world was not all sunshine. Even in the U.S. not all military dogs and a good many police dogs are treated by cruel standards when compared to pets. Many still use the 'hang them till they pass out' methods of training.
Before that, Filas were actually used to hunt down slaves too, so they have always had a bit of an 'oppressors' use throughout their history. Even now if used for jaguar hunting, they are being used illegally since jaguars are a protected species. It's a big problem in the pantanal.
Some people idiolized their 'manhunter' use, just like in GSD's some folks idiolized the east german patrol aggressiveness that developed. They give all that fancy names that I don't really keep up with, like ddr or something for gsd's... As far as I know i've never met one of these dogs, since i doubt they could be let loose in a farm to work amongst people safely.
Well, I don't think I said mostly but I will go and reread once I'm done here incase I did. If I did, I didn't mean that.
Yeah, it is cruel . The police GSD's were treated the same and I haven't looked into it in a long time, but they used to kill the dogs when they were done with them because they were not retrainable to be home pets. Even their handlers couldn't really just 'take them home'.
You have to remember Brasil was under military rule for a long time, and the concept of military police dogs around the world was not all sunshine. Even in the U.S. not all military dogs and a good many police dogs are treated by cruel standards when compared to pets. Many still use the 'hang them till they pass out' methods of training.
Before that, Filas were actually used to hunt down slaves too, so they have always had a bit of an 'oppressors' use throughout their history. Even now if used for jaguar hunting, they are being used illegally since jaguars are a protected species. It's a big problem in the pantanal.
Some people idiolized their 'manhunter' use, just like in GSD's some folks idiolized the east german patrol aggressiveness that developed. They give all that fancy names that I don't really keep up with, like ddr or something for gsd's... As far as I know i've never met one of these dogs, since i doubt they could be let loose in a farm to work amongst people safely.
There is no such thing as an AKC Fila. They aren't recognized and we work to keep them out of the AKC. CAFIB is the primary organization for Fila standards. I don't know what part of the world you are in, or where you have met Filas, but I do understand that there can be some significant regional differences in how they are bred. Many of the Fila experts are now despairing of finding many more good lines in Brazil that have not been tainted by introducing other breed lines, predominantly Bull Mastiff, to increase production and soften the temperament.
A proper Fila is not an aggressive dog; it is a defensive dog. One of the reasons the Fila was used to track slaves - besides their superior tracking ability, speed, stamina and capability to work on their own - is that the Fila is not a killer; it will catch and hold without killing. They are also used to track and hunt other wild predators and vermin, such as wild boar. Their historical use in hunting jaguars goes back long before the jaguar was a protected species and is significant considering the jaguar's rather unique hunting technique.
As far as working safely, even our Buffy, who had a classic "hard" Fila temperament, worked easily when we had other people helping us herd cows to take to market. They understand the difference between work time and other times.
I dislike seeing dogs used for military or police work in ANY country - whether it's the US or Brazil or Germany or Oz. Search and rescue is one thing, but putting other creatures in the way of danger because we can't behave ourselves is unconscionable.
You might find this of interest. It's the best real Fila information I've found anywhere, and after meeting the person who collated this website I was even more impressed. I got to spend an afternoon with her and meet one of her dogs - at a respectful distance, to be sure. http://www.mindspring.com/~anableps/fila.html
A proper Fila is not an aggressive dog; it is a defensive dog. One of the reasons the Fila was used to track slaves - besides their superior tracking ability, speed, stamina and capability to work on their own - is that the Fila is not a killer; it will catch and hold without killing. They are also used to track and hunt other wild predators and vermin, such as wild boar. Their historical use in hunting jaguars goes back long before the jaguar was a protected species and is significant considering the jaguar's rather unique hunting technique.
As far as working safely, even our Buffy, who had a classic "hard" Fila temperament, worked easily when we had other people helping us herd cows to take to market. They understand the difference between work time and other times.
I dislike seeing dogs used for military or police work in ANY country - whether it's the US or Brazil or Germany or Oz. Search and rescue is one thing, but putting other creatures in the way of danger because we can't behave ourselves is unconscionable.
You might find this of interest. It's the best real Fila information I've found anywhere, and after meeting the person who collated this website I was even more impressed. I got to spend an afternoon with her and meet one of her dogs - at a respectful distance, to be sure. http://www.mindspring.com/~anableps/fila.html
Oh, I like this thread, BigDog.
Ok, let's see. I would love a German Shepherd, I have always wanted one of those. And here is the rest of my list:
Bernese Mountain Dog or
Newfoundland or
Briard or
Rhodesian Ridgeback or
Great Dane or
and Anatolian that looks like Max (because he looks like a big Brady)
I like big dogs, I just can't help it.
Ok, let's see. I would love a German Shepherd, I have always wanted one of those. And here is the rest of my list:
Bernese Mountain Dog or
Newfoundland or
Briard or
Rhodesian Ridgeback or
Great Dane or
and Anatolian that looks like Max (because he looks like a big Brady)
I like big dogs, I just can't help it.