What do you think of this...........?

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savethebulliedbreeds

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This is a breeders health guarantee/buyers agreement. What do you all think?

"We make every effort to guarantee that each puppy is in good health at the time of sale. Therefore, we ask that you have your puppy vet checked within 3 days of the sale: failure to comply will cause this guarantee to be void. We cannot control the exposure your puppy encounters after leaving here, so if you choose not to have your puppy examined, you are voiding the guarantee.. If there is something your vet finds, I must be contacted by e-mail or phone, so I am aware of the situation to keep the guarantee in effect. We guarantee the jealth of your puppy for the first 18 months of life against any life threatning and non-treatable congenital and genetic illnesses. Puppies sometime stress when moved to their new home. This stress can be brought on by change of diet,leaving their litter mates, too much handling,not enough quiet time and not eating properly. This stress supresses their immune and can bring on things that are dormant such as but not limited to, worms,ear mites,colds etc. These conditions are all treatable and do not warrant a replacement. Should your puppy have a life threatning congenital or genetic condition as mentioned above, we will replacethe puppy with another of the same sex and of comparable value. However, the following stipulations must be adhered to in order for a replacement to be made. Official reports from 2 unaffiliated vetrenarians stating that, without a doubtm the puppy has a congenital or genetic defect that will shorten the life of the puppy,must be sent to me along with the phone numbers of each vet. If the puppy should die, an Autopsy MUST be done by a licensed vet stating the cause of death. The documentation must be forwarded to us before a replacement can be made. The sellers reserve the right to confirm the diagnosis with their vet."
 
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Well, it started out pretty average. But only guaranteeing until 18 months is 6 months shy of the time that a dog could get some of their health testing done, like the hips with OFA. Dogs should be guaranteed for life against genetic diseases -- at least with another pick from a future litter -- especially since some don't become apparent until later on. And there should be protection not just against defects which shorten their life, but also those that appreciably decrease their quality of life, like hip dysplasia.

And dogs don't get "colds."

So I'd say there are some problems with that guarantee. Its better than nothing, but not great.
 

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It doesn't mention something,,IF the dog was deemed replaceable..what happens to that dog? Do you get to keep it? Have to return it?

You can get prelim ofa's on hips and elbows, that kind of doesn't bother me.

Another part of the wording bothers me:
"congenital or genetic defect that will shorten the life of the puppy"

well say the dog DID have something congenital or genetic,,it doesn't necessarily mean that whatever it has will shorten it's life..So say the dog has something and could live till it's 10-12 yrs old,,would the replacement be in effect?

Not crazy about the warranty.
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I to have a warrenty for my puppies. They have 7 days to have them checked by a vet. If they have that done they get a 1 year on top of that for hereditary/congenital defects that would serouisly impact the life of the dog. If the dog dies within the 1 year then yes they have to have an necropsy done to find the cause of death if it is not evident. They have to keep up with the shots, and general health of the dog for the warrenty. They have to return the puppie for a replacement. I take back all of my puppies for the lifetime of the dog no matter what. I tell them I would like them back so they don't see the shelters. So far I have had only 1 returned. Everybody else still has there's. Is there anything else I should be adding to this?
 
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I guarantee against things that would affect the qualify of life of the puppy until 36 months of age.

Sorry, but if it shows up after 3 years of age I don't feel responsible. Too many environmental factors are at work there. Having said that, if I had placed a dog that was seriously affected or died unexpectedly, say from cancer, in a good home, I would cheerfully replace that puppy.

I NEVER ask for the original puppy to come back to me for a replacement. Why would I? That dog belongs to the people who raised it. I do NOT need that dog back, unless the people do not wish to keep it any longer.

frogger, if I had to return my puppy to collect on a guarantee, I doubt you would hear from me either.
 
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I don't like the wording of the warranty the OP has put up for us to examine. Someone that is that nit picky about what constitutes a health problem or the need for a replacement, in my experience, has had a number of dogs back and they keep narrowing the acceptable replaceable dogs to cut their losses.

As far as frogger's policy. The puppies should be seen by a vet before they leave your home. I've never found it necessary to require a new puppy buyer to see a vet, although I do recommend it, just so that their vet meets the puppy early in life and can monitor them as they grow. If you are producing quality dogs, with rigorous health testing, I see no reason to not give a lifetime guarantee on congenital and hereditary problems. I also do not requite shots, as I am pretty anti over-vaccination. I do talk about what vaccinations the puppy needs in my opinion and what amount of risk new owners are willing to take. I do not ask for the return of the dog at any time. Who wants to uproot a dog from it's family? If they choose to return the dog, it is of course welcome with open arms, at any time in life, for any reason. I guess overall I don't much care for your warranty frogger.
 
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Is there anything else I should be adding to this?
Extend the guarantee. Some defects aren't going to show up in the first year. IMO, if a dog you've bred comes down with a genetic defect at any age, you should at least refund their purchase price, give them a pick from a future litter, or swap them for a healthy dog. It should be their option to keep the dog (with a clause that requires spay/neuter) if a defect has been found.

Of course, I'm an idealist. :D
 
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I agree that it is too nit picky on why a dog should be replaced and the guarantee is not long enough.

Novel, you are right. This breeder breeds dogs to be 2 pounds and will breed whatever breed to whatever breed to get these results. No wonder she only guarantees these dogs until 18 months. Lots of these dogs will end up dieing because they are soooooo small. The lady has about 20 dogs and right now is planning to breed an english bulldog that is only a year old, does not even come close to conforming and has serious skin and health problems.
 

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I agree with Redy . I'd be wary of those who said they'd replace the pup . With good breeders that could be in 2 years .
 

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It honestly sounds like a load of poop & I love the fact that the final say so will be HER veterinarian. I wonder just how often that vet disagrees the new pup's veteranarian.:rolleyes:
 
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I can tell you from experience that her vet is a joke. She would definately not have a problem disagreeing with another vet because "she knows it all".

My husband took his pomeranian into her a long time ago because he was constipated. She admitted him and put him on IV's. Of course since it was my husbands dog, I had no say over it. I told her that he was constipated and she dissagreed with me for a week. Finally I stood up to her and told her we were taking him home. The bill was $700 and she did nothing but run a bunch of blood tests that she told my husband I authorized (which I did not!). One of the assistance handed me a little 39 cent pill as we were leaving the clinic and said "here give him this". We got home and within 15 minutes he crapped EVERYWHERE and was completely fine after that. But its ok cause I am just a vet assistant....I don't know what I am talking about!!!!!

Sorry for the rant but her vet makes me mad!
 

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