What are your gold, sliver and bronze treats

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I have just finished reading the The Loved Dog by Tamar Gellar and in her book she talks about diferent levels of treats.

Can you tell me what you use for Gold treats for your dog the ultimate treat for when you really need them to focus and when do you use them, the same for the sliver and bronze.

I am confused about the different levels of treat and which level you should use for what training.

Anyone help me further?
 

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I read the book, but honestly, I've never really tried to label my treats like that. If I did, bronze is probably just high-quality soft dog treats; Zuke's, Wellness, etc. Used almost exclusively for known behaviors at home or at work - places where the distractions (to her) are minimal. Silver is our usual stuff: cheese, deli meats, leftovers, pepperoni. Used regularly for new behaviors and at agility classes. Also used when hiking off-leash. Gold is a McDonalds Double Cheeseburger with nothing else on it:D . Used in extremely distracting environments or when working on something Meg finds scary. $.99 buys a lot of courage!
 

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I haven't read her book, but I did see her on 20/20 last night. About time these programs showed someone (ANYONE) that uses postive methods instead of ol Ceasar.

Having a list of reinforcers and how the dog rates them is a very common practice. It's also not uncommon for trainers to keep records of the rate of reinforcement.
I use at least 20 different reinforcers (bait/play) for my dogs. By trial and error you find out which ones get the dogs yippy skippy. My dogs will work for store bought but those are towards the middle or the end of my list. Homemade bait and/or roast chicken, roast beef, pizza etc are always at the top. Hot dogs as well are down the list.
Also when training your dog, try not to fall into the same ol same ol reinforcer trap. If you absolutely LOVE Chocolate Cake and you only had the chance to eat it on special occasions, it then becomes an event and something that you remember and look forward to. But if you were given Chocolate Cake several times a week, it would lose that appeal. It's no different when training dogs, reserve those *special* reinforcers for the big events (break throughs in training or a great performance offered).
I have one student, her dog LOVES peaches, she started using small semi dried peices of peaches as rewards (reinforcer). But she used them too much (I tried to warn her but......) her dog got tired of them, therefore their effect didn't have the desired results.

Lynn
 
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Actually, I should add that I have a "Platinum" treat, too. We used them to get Herschel to absolutely love his Sherpa flying crate (goes under the seat in front of us).

Little fresh baked chocolate chip cookies, no chocolate.
 

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I have different levels of treats depending on what we are working on, and how much I NEED his/her undivided attention.

I have a food dehydrater that I make most of their treats in, only a few of their treats are made in other ways. I think the only store bought treat they get is string cheese.

Gold: Dehydrated beef or ground turkey (Jerkey seasoned with a touch of garlic)

Silver: Home made Peanut butter doggie cookies or String cheese

Bronz: Dehydrated sweet potato chips

They do have other dehydrated or home made treats, those are the ones I use for training most often :)
 

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So what I really need to find is a list of things that she likes, really likes and would do anything for?

So if I was just rewarding her every now and again becuase she gives me a good sit, it would be a bronze. but if we are training in the street or garden where there are some distractions then up it to a sliver, if we are trying something new in the park and there are lots of distractions then its a Gold.

You see I have the problem of not knowing which treat to work with is it something new we are learning or is it the more distractions then the higher the treat?

I know it sounds simple when I read your posts but then I go out to train her and it just doesnt seem simple anymore.

The other thing is, if your using fresh meats and cheese for treats how can I have them to hand all the time around the house, the place would smell.

no wonder my poor dog is confusedLOL
 

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Gold: Fresh cooked meat of any kind.

Silver: Dehydrated 100% meat

But that's about as low as it goes because he can't have any grains or preservatives because of his IBD.
 

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Ok, I ll try to explain this...........

I am going to assume that you don't know how to get a reliable sit (for the sake of argument only) please don't be offended, I am going to take this to the first level of training.

Make up a batch of Trial Mix for Dogs, all pieces should be very small, use cheese, homemake soft baked liver, dog food kibble, roast chicken/beef etc. As you train, you will figure out which rewards your dog values. When I bake the rewards, my dogs are underfoot, if its something they REALLY like, its just faster and easier to have them out of the room, in the yard or crated lol.
You ll need about 1 cups worth per training session. You can use a bait bag, fanny pack or your pocket, but don't hold the rewards in your hand. Train in your home to start with where there are little or no distractions.
Start by teaching Watch Me or by saying her name. When your dog even starts to look at you, say Yes!! (clicker works great for all this instead) and give your dog a reward (at first it could be anything that you pick out of the bag). In the beginning you mark (yes or click or both) and reward at a high rate one per 2-3 seconds while your dog is continuing to make eye contact. If she looks away, it could be because she has been distracted or you are not reinforcing fast enough. Same methods are used for sit,down, etc.
If your dog were to give you a fast snappy sit, you would give a highly valued reward. If you got a slow sit (this is assuming the dog knows how to sit on cue, either by verbal or hand signal) then you would give just a piece of dog food kibble. We try not to have the rewards in our hands, or if we do with quickly fade it to being in the bait bag/pocket etc. Because dogs are famous for taking the attitude of 'produce it first before I'll do as you ask', thats called Luring. Get the behaviour first, then reward, don't lure if possible.
When training its the Three D's for all desired behaviours, Duration, Distance and Distractions in that order. At any time you start training for any of the above, increase the rewards. Once you have a desired behaviour use variable rewards, the dog never knows what it will get or when, including jackpot rewards.

In the beginning try to keep the distractions low, your success rate will be higher. This is why going to puppy/adult obedience classes are so difficult at first. The distractions are many and it is so hard for a pup/dog to learn. All those smells!! other pups/dogs that can be excited or scared plus strange people and all that is combined in a strange place. No wonder it takes a bit for the training to start to be effective.

Keep your expectations realistic and fair to your dog, make it fun and DON'T get frustrated because your dog will feel your stress and think that THEY are doing something wrong.

And yes, use *gold rewards* when training in a new place, working on a behaviour that your dog already knows and knows reliably at home etc.

I stash goodies (rewards) in several different places in my home, I put them in Zip lock baggies or Plastic containers with lids. I only put a few in each, its better to restock everyday than to have stuff rotting (if you don't use it and forget its there!! ) not only would it become stinky, IF the dogs managed to get it, they could get sick.

Take care and good luck
Lynn
 
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Sugar:

Gold: Tinny bits of hot dog

Silver: Bits of string cheese

Bronze: Milkbone Original Training Bites


Peaches:

Gold: Greenies

Everything else!!!
 
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I've always trained using treats based on a rating system. I have owners set aside 3 (sometimes 4) treats that they have been able to rate and then to use them according to rated behaviors, Emergency Recall being the only thing that the Platinum reward is EVER used for.

Platinum - for EMERGENCY RECALL (always carried and never faded)
dehydrated wild salmon is their favorite and they ONLY get it during ER practice or the real ER

Gold - for class and high distraction training (faded when behavior is proofed) Also used to avoid Sep. Anx. and for trigger pairing (desensitizing)
my guys get homemade bluefish and brown rice/garlic cookies

Silver - for regular recall and focus commands (faded when behavior is proofed)
dehydrated duck breast is their regular treat
 

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Hmm... what happens if your dogs go gaga for any treats? LOL

Gold: freeze-dried livers and watermelon

silver: peanut butter flavored stuff

bronze: wellness bars or whatever they are called, Charlee Bears.
 

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Gold: Used pre trial, after trial.. High distraction situations.. Cut up chicken nuggets, cooked chicken hearts with garlic, dehydrated liver

Silver: Used when practicing agility, rally, new commands.. Zukes minis, pb flavoured treats, roll over

Bronze: Asking for behaviour in a chain she already has 110% but want to pay off for, grooming.. Clean ear, give small treat.... Charliee bears, two danes filet minion little dry cookies
 

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Bronze: Kibble and crunchy biscuits.
Silver: Softer, smellier treats. Cat kibble.
Gold: Liverwurst, natural balance rolls, meat, anything off my plate. Oh, and popcorn (for the cats, the dogs won't touch it)
 

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depends on the dog

luce-
gold: TUG!!!!!, tuna fish
silver: hot dogs, cooked chicken, cheese
bronze: cat kibble, biscuits

mushroom-
gold: milkbones (i've got no explanation)
silver: anything else edible

harv-
gold: hot dogs, chicken
silver: petting and ear scratching
bronze: cat kibble, biscuits, etc
 

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Bronze: Kibble, biscuits.
Silver: Peanut butter.
Gold: Meat, Natural Balance roll pieces, small bits of cheese.
 

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Ok, I ll try to explain this...........

I am going to assume that you don't know how to get a reliable sit (for the sake of argument only) please don't be offended, I am going to take this to the first level of training.

Make up a batch of Trial Mix for Dogs, all pieces should be very small, use cheese, homemake soft baked liver, dog food kibble, roast chicken/beef etc. As you train, you will figure out which rewards your dog values. When I bake the rewards, my dogs are underfoot, if its something they REALLY like, its just faster and easier to have them out of the room, in the yard or crated lol.
You ll need about 1 cups worth per training session. You can use a bait bag, fanny pack or your pocket, but don't hold the rewards in your hand. Train in your home to start with where there are little or no distractions.
Start by teaching Watch Me or by saying her name. When your dog even starts to look at you, say Yes!! (clicker works great for all this instead) and give your dog a reward (at first it could be anything that you pick out of the bag). In the beginning you mark (yes or click or both) and reward at a high rate one per 2-3 seconds while your dog is continuing to make eye contact. If she looks away, it could be because she has been distracted or you are not reinforcing fast enough. Same methods are used for sit,down, etc.
If your dog were to give you a fast snappy sit, you would give a highly valued reward. If you got a slow sit (this is assuming the dog knows how to sit on cue, either by verbal or hand signal) then you would give just a piece of dog food kibble. We try not to have the rewards in our hands, or if we do with quickly fade it to being in the bait bag/pocket etc. Because dogs are famous for taking the attitude of 'produce it first before I'll do as you ask', thats called Luring. Get the behaviour first, then reward, don't lure if possible.
When training its the Three D's for all desired behaviours, Duration, Distance and Distractions in that order. At any time you start training for any of the above, increase the rewards. Once you have a desired behaviour use variable rewards, the dog never knows what it will get or when, including jackpot rewards.

In the beginning try to keep the distractions low, your success rate will be higher. This is why going to puppy/adult obedience classes are so difficult at first. The distractions are many and it is so hard for a pup/dog to learn. All those smells!! other pups/dogs that can be excited or scared plus strange people and all that is combined in a strange place. No wonder it takes a bit for the training to start to be effective.

Keep your expectations realistic and fair to your dog, make it fun and DON'T get frustrated because your dog will feel your stress and think that THEY are doing something wrong.

And yes, use *gold rewards* when training in a new place, working on a behaviour that your dog already knows and knows reliably at home etc.

I stash goodies (rewards) in several different places in my home, I put them in Zip lock baggies or Plastic containers with lids. I only put a few in each, its better to restock everyday than to have stuff rotting (if you don't use it and forget its there!! ) not only would it become stinky, IF the dogs managed to get it, they could get sick.

Take care and good luck
Lynn

Lynn
Thanks for this, I do spend my time reading the training posts but there are so many and it gets confusing.

Thanks
 

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My Sammy likes to eat her own poop, and will if you dont watch her. So I guess after that everything is a gold treat.
 

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