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Her head reminds me more of an SBT. Where did you get her? (although SBTs are still "pit bulls" ;) )
 

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My brother got her from a humane society. Her mom had just had a litter of 7. Her mom was all white, so naturally they called her Snow White and the babies were all named after the 7 dwarves. We got "Sleepy". . . . . . She is EXACTLY the opposite! She is very adorable though.
 
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My brother got her from a humane society. Her mom had just had a litter of 7. Her mom was all white, so naturally they called her Snow White and the babies were all named after the 7 dwarves. We got "Sleepy". . . . . . She is EXACTLY the opposite! She is very adorable though.
If she's anything at all like Tallulah, she has two gears: warp drive and snuggle. Nothing in between, lol!
 

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ahaha yea she runs sooo funny! She like tears through the back yard and her back legs drop and she almost seems to float! Its insane.

She is so out there too. After she does #2, she RUNS for her life away from it! My husband wants to video tape it and then edit an explosion in, just to make it that much more funny.
 

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the dog whisperer and his famous alpha rolling technique is at it again.

ill say this!
rolling her/pushing her down to show her whos boss is very likely not remotly even HELPING in this situation.

cesar milans tenchinques are very controversial mostly because regular people see him at work, think "i can do that" and repeat at home with absolutly no clue of what there doing...rememer a tv sho shows only 5 minutes of the 5 hours of actual training that is going on off camera.

infact that "woman you cant stand" (victoria stidwell form the uk, has MUCH better training techniques for the general public to make use of and the actual show does a much better job of showing you what goes into it instead of just "well you need ot show him whos the top dog"

as a side note.
ive yet to find a rescue that will take and place an unstable dog...there are so many pits in rescue that some rescues simply cant afford to put in the time to essentially reprogam a dog with agressive tendencies.
:hail: Agree with what FoxyW said. She explains things a lot better I think.
 

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But look at this:


Why would a dog LOVE and be FRIENDS with a cat one day,and want to eat it the next, and go between these two things all the time? I understand if a dog is fine with cats inside a house, but wants to chase them outside the house, Daisy is like that. But this is sounds different than that, and it just seems weird to me that a dog would flip-flop like that.

Benji is a terrier, and he liked the cats when we first got him as he was still puppyish. Once he matured his prey drive turned on and he's wanted to "GET" the cats ever since. There was no flip-flopping at all. Its the same in and out of the house.
This isn't uncommon at all. Milo is the same way. It has to do with anxiety.
 

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Yea we have always kinda felt that Athena has tendencies towards anxiety. When she was younger, and still in my parents care, they would let her outside at night and my dad would bang on the window, not to intentionally freak her out but to get her attention. She is TERRIFIED of being outside at night alone now, and even during the day, loud sounds and sudden things that are different, freak her out.

She has lived in the same house her entire life. Same yard, same environment...

I am a tid nervous how she will do being in a different house then she is used to when we move. I have been taking her for car rides so she is used to being in a car and she gets very excited hen we go for drives but she is calm when she is in the car. She does have a small tendency to get a bit sick though.
ANYWAYS.
We are taking a short trip to Michigan in a few days, where we will be staying at a few different houses, so it will be very interesting to see how she reacts and does being in places she isn't so used to.
Is there a place to buy replacement kennel doors? The spring on the bottom of hers is busted.
Thanks again guys! I am more just talking myself through my thoughts here. ahaha.
 

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I can understand how dogs don't like cats, normally, yeah - that's how it is in nature, but this dog has lived the past four years with cats and never had any problems before. The sudden aggression mixed with the fact that SHE TRIED TO BITE MY WIFE is the reason I'm doing this.
How old is the dog and how sudden is the aggression?

You're in a state of flux. Your dog feels that. An insecure dog is an unpredictable dog. This isn't, it doesn't seem, like a problem that's solved by throwing money at it - it's something that could well be handled by first calming yourself and ditching any anger and fear in your life, then by reassuring your dog and rebuilding her confidence through simple things that she isn't going to fail at.

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Go back and examine what changes were happening when these behaviors started to change. You'll find a lot of your answers there.
Very true. There's a lot going on right now and it seems the dynamics of the house are unstable. I would manage the situation with separation until after the move and until after you're settled into the new place.

I don't understand how you can say that you expect and animal to act like a dog, but then insist that training her like she was a part of the pack is wrong. I agree, you cant get upset at a dog for acting the way she does. Shes a dog. She thinks like a dog. Therefore, I wish to "train" her, if you will, like the pack animal she is! I don't see whats wrong with this.
Dogs aren't necessarily pack animals. There's a considerable amount of debate on that topic, but much evidence to support the theory that dogs, while social animals, are not pack animals.

In simple terms, people make a poor imitation of a dog and as such are ill equipped to attempt to communicate in "doggy terms". Dogs don't alpha roll each other. A superior dog will perhaps posture and a submissive dog will roll over.

Is it normal though for a dog to sometimes not care about the cat, and sometimes want to eat the cat?
Depends, but yea. and in such cases you should also look at the cat and what signals are being sent.

It's not even that it's sometimes she doesn't care and sometimes she wants to eat the cat. It's like sometimes she's happy with the cat. The cat walks by, the dog smells her, licks her, the cat rubs against the dog, everything is great. They lay in the sun together next to the patio door - but then sometimes the dog wants to go after her. Not in a playful way or even like a "I want to eat you" way, but more of a rage way, like she wants to tear the cat apart because of rage.
If it truly is rage and not prey drive, then you need to get the dog checked by a vet. Possible causes could be seizures or hypothyroidism or pain among others.

As for the guarding, most resource guarding is a defensive behavior. The worst approach is to become confrontational, which would give the dog justification in his defensiveness. Hand feeding is good. Also, put his food bowl down with just a little bit of food in it. Then toss some more in the bowl. Then toss some more in there. He'll figure out that when people come by his bowl, he gets more food. When he has treats or bones or whatever in his crate, you can also walk by and put a treat into his crate.
 

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shes a cutie, i too see staffy in that head.

APBTS are generally slimmer built tough dogs, taller built.

the english staffordshire bull terrier (which for some reason that face screams) is a shorter and STOCKY "pit bull" with a big head and heavy chest but much smaller height wise.

then theres the american staffordshire bull (amstaff) which to me looks like an inbetween of the staffy and apbt, somewhere in the middle, the stockyness of the staffy with the height of the apbt.

but ive also seen alot of VERY stocky (what seems to be the trend with some of the big kennel breeders) apbts with huge heads and stocky bodies that dont look anything like what ive come to think an apbt should look like (very overdone) (like the monster and gotti lines)
 
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Yea we have always kinda felt that Athena has tendencies towards anxiety. When she was younger, and still in my parents care, they would let her outside at night and my dad would bang on the window, not to intentionally freak her out but to get her attention. She is TERRIFIED of being outside at night alone now, and even during the day, loud sounds and sudden things that are different, freak her out.
Okay . . . . you just gave us a very good piece of info there.

Confidence. There's a big step. Start building her self-confident. An anxious dog is a fearful dog, and a fearful dog is an unpredictable dog. A self-confident dog is just the opposite!

This is where you go back to the idea of short training sessions that always, ALWAYS end with doing something you know she's got nailed and making a big deal out of it. That's a real confidence builder.

The clicker training can help, too.

Your tone of voice and demeanor is going to be one of the biggest confidence builders for her though. If you can act as though you have confidence in her, and convey that to her, along with reassurance, you've got half the battle won.
 

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Was your husband pinning her in a roll when she tried to bite you, Thats how it sounded to me. IF he was that in itself CAN CAUSE AGGRESSION. The dog feels ganged up on if you are approaching her and she is pinned.

AND the reson for the unpredictableness is PREY DRIVE.
My father and I breed, train, raise and love Working bred APBT they ARE hunters, not for recreation or competition but for our food this is their life. We used to have sometimes 10 plus APBT all hunt bred/trained. We also have a grouchy old cat. Now that we are down to 3 dogs they all live in the house together with the cat. With out dogs we condition them to the cat and also give the cat AMPLE places to run and hide/climb. You are never 100% though as you have learned there is ALWAYS a chance like others have said. We have YET to lose a cat or squirrel (pet) or racoon (pet) but that is because we operate under the assumption that the dog WILL kill and attack even if there were no signs before.
 

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But look at this:


Why would a dog LOVE and be FRIENDS with a cat one day,and want to eat it the next, and go between these two things all the time? I understand if a dog is fine with cats inside a house, but wants to chase them outside the house, Daisy is like that. But this is sounds different than that, and it just seems weird to me that a dog would flip-flop like that.

Benji is a terrier, and he liked the cats when we first got him as he was still puppyish. Once he matured his prey drive turned on and he's wanted to "GET" the cats ever since. There was no flip-flopping at all. Its the same in and out of the house.
Okay . . . . you just gave us a very good piece of info there.

Confidence. There's a big step. Start building her self-confident. An anxious dog is a fearful dog, and a fearful dog is an unpredictable dog. A self-confident dog is just the opposite!

This is where you go back to the idea of short training sessions that always, ALWAYS end with doing something you know she's got nailed and making a big deal out of it. That's a real confidence builder.

The clicker training can help, too.

Your tone of voice and demeanor is going to be one of the biggest confidence builders for her though. If you can act as though you have confidence in her, and convey that to her, along with reassurance, you've got half the battle won.
:hail::hail:

One popular confidence builder that i would AVOID in your case though is tug. DO NOT play tug with this dog as she is right now. I *DO* suggest a springpole or flirtpole.

Browse and read this site. it is a GREAT site for ANY APBT owner
http://www.workingpitbull.com/springpole.htm
 

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Anxiety needs to be dealt with in a pretty specific manner with dogs. I definately recommend "Click To Calm". Also, never (or try, I know in the moment it's hard) to yell or punish her for her behavior. Simply remove her from what's causing her anxiety.

Milo had the same problems with aggression, but with our other dog. Sometimes they'd be 100% fine, other times he'd want to tear him apart limb from limb. Now, if they're together, I'll see Milo's warning signs (lowered head, shaking, high pitched bark) but instead of attacking he'll go into his crate which is his "safe place" or some to me and put his paws up to be picked up and removed from the situation.

Basically I taught him how to recognize that something was wrong and how to control himself before he lost control.
 

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ahaha yea she runs sooo funny! She like tears through the back yard and her back legs drop and she almost seems to float! Its insane.

She is so out there too. After she does #2, she RUNS for her life away from it! My husband wants to video tape it and then edit an explosion in, just to make it that much more funny.
:rofl1:
You realize that this video *must* be made now. Right? And we will need links. I already told my husband about it and he's looking forward to it. :D

And she is gorgeous! I love her pigment in her face, she has a beautiful smile.
 

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