We brought home Garnet!!!

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Yes! We did!! :O

I'm over the shock now, though. And I'm going to apologize for this crazily long post right now. I seem to have forgotten my hurry somewhere in typing.

I sort of updated my old thread, but I'm making a new one for this. I will update over the weekend complete with pictures (as many as you guys want) and lots more info. I'm just in quite a hurry at the moment, MASSIVE amounts of homework due tomorrow. (Although I might not even have school, and if I do there is no guarantee we can even get out of our lane--gigantic hill+3inches of ice = impassable even with 4 wheel drive and snow chains.) We brought Garnet home Saturday night. He's an absolute sweetheart, a big red boy w/ uncropped crinky ears and a docked tail. He gets overexcited and hyper when you bring out the leash (even though it's on him almost all the time, it's only off when he's in his crate or I'm in a room with him and can keep my eye on him.) and loves to lean against you and stick his head over your shoulder; sit on your lap, and slurp your face. We love him, and he definitely loves us back.

He apparently wasn't really crate-trained. =/ I mean, he doesn't use his crate as a toilet and he doesn't freak out in it, but he certainly doesn't enjoy it. Through lots of tiny little treats and praise and making it fun, I've gotten him to at least go willingly into his crate now, and I can't possibly be more thrilled! :D He's leash-trained which makes having him so much easier--especially because I'm taking him to our friend's house so he can run around in a fenced-in yard. My dad and I are finalizing plans on a fence this weekend, and then we'll be measuring things out and renting a post-hole digger, because the sooner we have a fence the sooner he and I don't have to walk (or slide during this weather) to Linda's.

My mom and I are completely exhausted from taking him on frequent walks (neither of us are really in shape), but all three of us went out last night and ice-skated in our back yard. Ice skated in the yard, you say? Well, we did. Everything is completely iced over, absolutely solid and fairly smooth, so I went skating. Garnet was the only one who wasn't sliding all over the place, but he has way better traction anyhow.

I do need advice on two things at the moment, however. One is a training method for getting him used to the cats. I am in favor of the "ignore the cats" method. I looked and looked for a link to it and then I googled, but I'm having no luck, so I'll just give a brief overview: The method is basically to teach dogs to ignore cats, regardless of what the cat is doing. One person holds the dog on a short lead and the other person (at the far end of the room) holds the cat. When the dog is paying attention to the person holding their leash and not to the cat, they get treated and praised. The person holding the cat will slowly, over the course of many sessions, move closer, and the dog will be praised for ignoring the cat. When the dog is consistently ignoring the cat while the cat is standing next to it, then the cat will be allowed to walk around the room (preferably on a leash to prevent running), and the dog will be praised for ignoring the cat. This is a very, very, very brief overview. The reason I'm in favor of this for us is that the three times Garnet + cat has caught me unaware and I've had him on a short leash he has lunged at them and then excitedly jumped around them and done the bowing thing.... he wants to play with them. As far as I'm concerned, him playing with the cats isn't acceptable. He's a large dog with a prey drive and they are small cats who look like prey. If they play together things could get out of hand very quickly and he might injure or kill one of them, or he might be injured himself. Teaching him to ignore the cats will greatly help them get used to him. If he's like a piece of moving furniture that pays them no attention, I know they'll be more comfortable around him and get used to his presence more quickly than if he is giving them an intent stare.

SO... Have any of you Chazzers used this method before? Pros and Cons? Any alternat suggestions? Any discussion on this is much appreciated. I'd really like multiple POVs.

Number Two: I need advice on a good dog food. I've been doing my homework for months now, and I'd never even heard of Innova and Canidae and Honest Kitchen and a zillion other recommended brands before I came here. However, I'm still in favor of raw diet, as is my dad. The problem with that is that my mother has a hard time stomaching raw meat. She is very much against a raw diet regardless of the health benefits, so we reached a compromise a few months ago: We will feed Garnet (although it wasn't Garnet then, it was Hypothetical Dog) a very good quality food and then switch to raw after six months to a year of having him, and if she still can't stomach it after I've been feeding it to him for a month, then we will go back to very-very-very-good brand. I'm in charge of preparing food and feeding it to him, but there will be times when I can't do that for whatever reason, so we really do have to have a food that my mom can deal with feeding him.

It has been vexing me greatly, however, that she seems to be talking with anyone and everyone instead of me about the food and treating their advice like it's gospel. Okay, so I'm exaggerating a tiny bit, but still: she talks with someone at Pets Mart and just has to tell me that we should feed him whatever they spouted off to her (Science Diet, Eukanuba, and Iams have been the most recently lauded suggestions). It seems that whatever I say goes in one ear and out the other--and I don't just talk about raw, I do talk with her about other good brands and key ingredients that should be in the foods we give our pets. Her latest reccomendation was from a vet--the vet actually told her that we "shouldn't bother" feeding Garnet a high-quality food because of how expensive it is, and that SD or Eukanuba would be just fine!!! :mad: (No, the vet isn't our vet, but I would certainly love to have a word with him or her.)

I think I'm done with my ranting over this topic, but I'd love some food reccomendations. Innova I've heard is good. Something like Canida I've also heard about, as well as Honest Kitchen. We have a pretty good reccomendation from his foster-mom, I forget the brand, but I'll find our little notebook and post it this weekend. Raw is out until this summer, I think, but any other food discussion/recs are welcome.



Once again, I promise will post pictures this weekend. I've taken a bunch, but I don't have any uploaded onto the computer yet, much less in photobucket.

P.S. - Doberkim, how many Dobes do you have?
 
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Congrats on the new puppy....Garnet sounds lovely!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I've never trained a dog with the "ignore the cat" method. It sounds like a good plan though!;) In our house, the puppies have always learned really quick with the cats who is the boss.
 
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what breed is Garnet? :) And I am working on the ignore the kitties too, ug, its a pain with a full grown Labrador. :rolleyes: but, once I have figured it out, I will more than gladly help you. If you don't figure it out before me! lol. But, how old is he? He sounds lovely. Congrats! You'll have your hands full!
 

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Garnet is a dobe - I forget how old he is though?

In terms of the cat, what can help is getting a clicker out and using that - click/treat when he ignores the cat. It's how I started with my young guy. However, I have to say that I *DO* allow him to play with the cats (he lives with 7!!!) because he *IS* just playing. I am able to stop him if he gets to be too much, but they are ok with him nuzzling, licking, and occassionally nibbling them (he loves to clean their stomachs), and he is obsessed with flipping them with his nose!

In terms of food, my absolute faves are anything by Natura Pet www.naturapet.com - Innova, EVO, and california naturals (Karma if you can afford it!).
 

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I am so tickeld for you! I bet you are exhausted, but in a very good way.

I can't help with the cat issue, but I know a lot of folks that feed kibble go with Candiae, Dobe owners included. It is just not readily available in our area, and I don't want to drive 30 miles for kibble :)

I myself have just switched Orson from chicken soup for dogs (which he did great on until the winter weather) over to Blue Buffalo fish & sweet potato........so I can't really form an oppinion on it just yet. The winter weather was really starting to get to his skin, so I also just started to suppliment his food with fish oil & vitamin E.

Do you know what he has been eating (sorry if I missed it in your post)
Good luck on whatever you start to try, you may need to switch around until you find what works best for your dog, it's not the same for everydog.
 

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Sorry guys, I didn't post any of the truly vital information! *ashamed*

Pssst... Doberkim.. how many Dobes do you have? You mentioned in a previous post you have a bunch, but on your sig I see one.

Garnet is a beeeeauuutiful red doberboy who is threeish years old. Well, we're guessing 3. I'm getting a second opinion on that, because he was picked up as a stray even though he's housebroken and leash trained.

He's currently on plain white rice because he was having a lot of diarrhea, but tomorrow he's slowly going back on his crappy old Eukanuba. :mad: Whenever the (thankfully) small bag gets near the bottom, we're grabbing another food and weaning him off of it.

He is lovely and wonderful and perfect. Well, okay, not perfect, but he's sooo very close. All he has to do is train us humans better. ;) He's very puppyish as far as getting excited over things, he hasn't really reached mental maturity yet I don't think. Garnet's as sweet as a Lab--we took him to Petco and he just went nuts over all the people there, couldn't figure out who to slobber on first!

The problem with learning that the cat is boss is that one of our kitties is just too nice. She attacked his face viciously today--but she was using 'mittens,' my term for no claws. I'm worried that she maybe wouldn't really defend herself properly if he got overexcited; because even when she's been utterly terrified she hasn't torn into me anywhere near as badly as the other cats have. Also, our Tomcat tends to curl up in a ball when afraid and do nothing. I've never even seen him hiss. He whacks me in the face when I'm annoying him, but otherwise he isn't violent at all. When Garnet lunged at him and pounced, all Tom did was back off and crouch into a ball. He's a large dog who thinks cats are meant to be played with like you play with dogs. =/
 

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The Dobes I know have very, very sensitive stomachs (they're rescues as well). If the bag's that small, you might want to start weaning him onto something better now.

EDIT to clarify:
That is, you might want to start weaning him now so you can use even smaller New food to Old food ratios and do it over a longer period of time.
 

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What Erica is saying about weaning is probably the best way to go. Have your mom get the new food now, and start out mixing what he is used to (eukanuba) with the new food you choose. More Eukanuba, and some of the new. Increase the new food amount into the mix slowly until he is completely switched over.

If he has a sensitive tummy it may take some doing to find a food that agrees with him. I wouldn't say most dobes I know have sensitive tummies, but some do.

I have heard very good things about the Natura Pet line that doberkim rec. but it can be pricey, so it'll depend on your mom, and availability. :)
 

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If your mom won't listen to you, perhaps she will listen to food experts and the FDA?

Check out The Dog Food Project. It's a great page explaining why you actually spend less for a high-quality dog food than for a lower one. Some of the immediate benefits are:

The dogs eat less to get the same nutrition

The dog poops less because it has to eat less

The dog won't smell as doggy, breath will be better

The dog will be healthier

All of these are good, economical reasons to pay extra to get an excellent food. If you don't pay up-front, you'll pay down the road and so will the dog's health.

Print out some articles or sit down with your mom and explain what you've researched.

You'll also want to show her the FDA/Center for Veterinary Medicine
Survey #1, qualitative analyses for pentobarbital residue


This revolting site from the US Food and Drug Administration shows what dog foods contain Pentobarbital, a drug used for animal euthanasia. The drug gets into the food because the dog food companies use euthanised cats and dogs for their source of protein.
 

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