Vegan Dog Food =/

Discussion in 'Dog Food and Recipes' started by ~Jessie~, Mar 10, 2007.

  1. ~Jessie~

    ~Jessie~ Chihuahua Power!

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    I came across this website tonight, and I really don't understand why anyone would feed their dog a vegan diet (unless it was entirely for health reasons). I'm a vegetarian myself, but I would never subject my dogs to such a lifestyle. Dogs are carnivores (which is very obvious)... I believe in having them on a diet which reflects what they would have in nature. I think that it is so cruel to put an animal on such an unnatural diet... if I were against feeding a carnivore what it required for nutrition, I would not get that animal.

    I'm just confused. My fiancee used to work with a girl who had her cat on a vegan diet, since she was vegan herself. Not fair for that poor cat who is having a horribly unproper diet.

    http://www.veggiepets.com/
     
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  2. jess2416

    jess2416 Who woulda thought

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    hmmm!! :yikes: :yikes:
     
  3. dogsarebetter

    dogsarebetter EVIL SHELTIES!!!!

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    yup, crazy!
    thats not fair or right for the dogs. why push your beliefs on your dogs?
     
  4. RD

    RD Are you dead yet?

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    Nope, my animals will always eat a species-appropriate or at the very least, meat-based diet. I can't dictate what people do with their pets but I would never, ever do it.
     
  5. vanillasugar

    vanillasugar just call me Nilly

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    Even worse IMO is when people insist on doing this to their cats! At least dogs can *survive* on a veg diet (vegan is really pushing it) but cats do NOT gain nutrients effectively from plant matter. It's insane. :(
     
  6. shadowfacedanes

    shadowfacedanes *Biter*

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    A little info on vegan diets for dogs:

    A recent study of dogs in Europe fed a vegetarian diet showed that protein intake was inadequate for over half the dogs, calcium requirements were not met in 62% of the dogs' diets, phosphorus requirements were not met in roughly half the dogs, 73% had an insufficient intake of sodium, a high number of blood samples showed insufficient amounts of iron, copper, zinc and iodine, as well as vitamin D, and 56% of the dogs were not getting enough vitamin B12. Even the commercial vegetarian diets were found to not meet a dog's nutritional needs.

    Nutritional Adequacy of Vegetarian Diets;
    www.burns-pet-nutrition.co.uk
     
  7. Herschel

    Herschel New Member

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    Actually, if we look at a study that wasn't funded by a pet food company...

    I've corresponded with Wendy and she said that dogs can thrive on a vegetarian diet. However, it must be very carefully controlled and monitored so she doesn't recommend it for most people.

    It isn't all that far fetched--after all, dogs are omnivores. :) (How's that for picking a fight?)
     
  8. Whisper

    Whisper Kaleidoscopic Eye

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    I'm a vegetarian and I would never put my dogs on a vegan or vegetarian diet. I would never push my beliefs on them like that. It's not natural for them and regardless of some dogs being "okay" on it, it is not an ideal diet in my view, at all.

    And I'm not even going to get into the carnivore vs. omnivore argument.
     
  9. shadowfacedanes

    shadowfacedanes *Biter*

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    Pet food company study or not, I was merely trying to offer a different view.

    But that said - No 16 week study is going to prove to me that the diet is good for the life of the dog either. A quote from Herschel's post states: However, there is no scientific evidence to demonstrate that a meat–free diet is adequate for exercising dogs.

    IMO, it's just not natural...and I don't believe we humans should force a human practice onto our dogs because of our beliefs.

    My breed is predisposed to DCM - vegan diets have been HIGHLY linked to contributing factors in DCM. Not something I'd risk with my dog.
     
  10. Herschel

    Herschel New Member

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    Whoa! I think you misread my post.

    The line, "However, there is no scientific evidence..." was essentially the hypothesis statement. She was staging the question that she wanted to answer with her study! As there is no previous scientific evidence, she wanted to address that topic.

    I thought vegetarian/vegan diets had been linked to DCM in cats, but not necessarily in dogs? And I thought supplementing carnitine and taurine helped with that?

    By the way, I feed Canidae All Life Stages--with 4 different animal protein sources.
     
  11. ~Jessie~

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    Dogs are not omnivores, though... they are carnivorous scavengers.

    There is a big difference between vegetarian and vegan as well... vegans can not eat any animal products (no dairy, eggs, etc), while vegetarians can. A vegan dogfood will only contain cereal grains, soy, etc, while a vegetarian dogfood can still use cheese, eggs, yogurt, etc.
     
  12. RD

    RD Are you dead yet?

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    I know dogs that have thrived on vegetarian diets, but they consumed a lot of cheese/egg/dairy products. I think cottage cheese and eggs made up the base of their diet. Not soy and veggies.
     
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    Sorry - I did misread your post - I've debated this topic many times over I tend to go "on guard" when it comes up.

    Vegetarian diets have been link to DCM in dogs - the supplementing did not always prove adequate. I have an excellent study link saved somewhere - I'll have to post the link when I find it.

    My first dane died of DCM, so it's something I've become very familiar with.
     
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    I don't understand, I guess, how the diets of the dogs studied really differed.

    The only difference really was one group ate rice, corn and soya and the other group ate rice, corn and chicken. Not enough of a variance to judge really. It sort of proves that soya may be a good replacement for chicken.

    Now if one group was fed a meat heavy diet and the other a full veggie diet the results might have been different.

    All that study would really prove to me is that commercial grade diets are the same nutritionally whether it's meat supplemented rice and corn or soya supplemented rice and corn.

    Are there any studies available that show the difference between dogs fed a raw meat and bone diet and a totally raw vegan diet?
     
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    Absolutely not. That would be murder. Why would anyone want to cause that kind of harm to a dog? It's fairly obvious that dogs can't process large amounts of vegetable matter without some sort of processing. How could you even balance the protein in that type of comparison to get the diets to be reasonably equal?

    I think the point of the study that I cited was to show that performance dogs can live (at least for 4 months) on a diet that doesn't contain animal derived protein.
     
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    While not the best option in most cases, a dog can survive on a vegetarian diet. Cats however will die as they absolutley NEED meat in their diets.

    I personally would never feed a vegetarian diet to my dogs.
     

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