Update on Harley (Plus, any of your dogs had stones removed before?)

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To read the original thread please go here:
http://www.chazhound.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5720

This is what I wrote the day we collected Harley from the vet after his operation to remove the stones from his bladder (two days ago):

[[[ We got Harley from the vet about an hour ago. He was SO pleased to see us, and wouldn't stop whining and carrying on like a crazy dog - unfortunately he wasn't on his doggy-valium (he seriously needs it as he hyperventilates etc. pretty badly when at the vet), so he was extremely hyper, bouncing around all over the place (even though he has thyoriod tablets, which are supposed to slow down his activity). The vet showed us the stones ('crystals') that he took out of Harley and my they were big!! I would say they were the size of big peas! They looked really lumpy and sharp. The vet said that they were attached to Harley's bladder wall, so that's why they didn't pass through, and they didn't break down either (so there was no way they were going to get out on their own). The vet said the crystals were most likely formed from a build up of calcium and probably due to his hyper-thyroid condition. So, Harley will now be on a special Royal Canin wet-food diet (we usually just give him dry food). The vet also said we could check out what caused the stones, but that would involve sending the stones to America, where they slice them up carefully.. and apprently this is VERY expensive (and isn't very practical.. Harley's operation cost a lot as it is!), so we are hoping the diet works, and his urine will be tested every couple of weeks.

While Harley was under anasthetic we also got the vet to remove his dewclaws (he has them on both the front and hind legs), so Harley is now sporting two lovely blue bandages on both hind legs (it looks like he's wearing socks! It's really cute). The vet actually said he didn't want to remove the front dewclaws because they have a bone attachement and it's more complicated and kind of un-neccessary to remove them. The back ones were just dangly so it was easy to get rid of them.

When we were walking Harley back home he was looking very sorry for himself, and even though he just had surgery on his bladder he insisted to stop every two minutes to pee!! You could tell it was painful for him! He wasn't even cocking his leg, he was just standing there and half-squatting. Poor boy! When we got home he ran straight for the garden and continued to pee in every possible place, and he kept walking around the house as I'm sure he didn't know what to do or where to go because of his pain. Anyway, I've set him up with a nice warm bed, and hopefully he'll be able to get some sleep tonight. At least tomorrow he should be feeling a bit better. ]]]

Today:

Harley is in so much pain it is unbareable to look at him, and it makes me so sad. This morning when I went to let him inside I could hear him groaning and whimpering from inside his kennel.. It sounded like he was so uncomfortabe. So, I brought him inside and he was shivering so much and panting as well. I thought he might be a bit dehydrated (I really don't think he's drinking that much, but then again when he was well he never drank much anyway). I offered him his water but he declined it. I also offered him a small treat which I thought might help to keep his mind off the pain while he's eating it, but he declined it as well! :( I feel so sorry for him, and I can only imagine how much pain his operation has caused him! He has a lot of stitches.

Earlier today Harley climbed up the stairs (!!) and I felt terrible but I had to send him back down, and he was taking his time going down because he was hurting, then he peed like four times in different spots in the house (all in a few minutes), which I know isn't his fault as he can't control his bladder right now. To me it seems like having the operation to remove the stones from his bladder is more painful for him than when he actually had the stones in his bladder! :( He has pain killers but they don't seem to be doing much for him right now.

To anyone who has a dog who's had an operation to remove stones (or has been around a dog who's had this done), do you know how long it takes for the dog to recover, AND was your dog in a lot of pain after the op? Harley is worse today than he was yesterday, and I hate to see my baby like this. I'm checking up on him every 1/2 hour to make sure he's ok.

Here are some photos I took of him yesterday:

Harley in his kennel-


Harley looking very sorry for himself-
 
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I'd call the vet and ask about that much pain. It sounds excessive. Even if it is normal, I would imagine the vet could give you something to ease his pain for a day or two.
 
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I had a similar situation with an emergency surgery on my border collie. She hurt sooooo bad when she came home, I did just what Renee said. I called the vet and told him, "You WILL give her something for this pain!!" He had no idea she was hurting so bad. But he said I sounded like a momma lion! :) I would've come down there and TAKEN those pills if he hadn't given them up willingly! You don't have to be quite as tooth-and-claw as I tend to be when my furkids are in trouble...but I would call the vet and just make sure this is normal.

I'm wishing Harley a speedy recovery. We're all thinking about him!
 

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Thanks for your replies! :) It seems that Harley has improved a little since this morning, when I wrote my post (which was about 2 hours ago). He has stopped shaking, and is happily chewing on a treat, so it's good to see he's eating again. He's been sleeping all day, which is really good for him. We are going to give him 1/2 a pain killer tonight and call the vet to see if he can give us anything else to help with Harley's pain. It's really horrible to see him hurting so much, because I feel so helpless.
 

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I'm so sorry to hear what Harley is going through in his recovery. Doggie & Kitty hugs and kisses to him!
 

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I had a JRT that had bladder stones and had to have surgery 3 times :eek: They would actually block his urethra so he could not urinate at all...not one drip. It was always an emergency to get him into surgery as not being able to urinate could obviously kill him...poor guy :( Anyway, he was in a huge amount of pain after one of his surgeries to the point that I could not take it anymore. I tried to touch him once and he tried to bite me (he would never try that before, so I new he was in a ton of pain.) We ended up taking him to emergency to make sure he was ok and the second we got there he bounced right back to normal---typical JRT behavior :D I could have killed him!! Anyway, I would check with your vet about the pain. I can't remember if you said weather or not your pooch is on pain meds :confused: If your pooch is not getting anything for the pain on a daily basis, I would demand drugs...dogs feel pain just like humans. The difference is, is that they instictively cover it up so they don't appear weak in the wild. Imagine what kind of pain your pooch is in if he is actually showing pain. We would be in pain if we had that surgery, so are they. Good luck and I hope he feels better soon.
 

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I also hope this baby guy is NOT sleeping outside at night. He needs to be in and pampered and cuddled and SPOILED while he recovers :)
 

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im glad haley all patched up ...a maltese and a jack russelll. thats kool mines a jack/pomeranian
 

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That's good to hear Haley is alot better. Gosh hearing your pooch whine must been terrible.
 

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Thanks everyone, so much! :) I am SO relieved that Harley is feeling MUCH better today. I didn't hear him whimpering once! He was still shivering a bit, but not as much as he was yesterday (and plus, the weather's getting a bit chilly here). He slept inside all today, but unfortunately he's still having trouble with his bladder, and was still peeing in the house, even though he knew it was the wrong thing to do, and he looked quite ashamed. He was also getting up and walking around, and he has his appetite back, which I'm really pleased about.

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I also hope this baby guy is NOT sleeping outside at night. He needs to be in and pampered and cuddled and SPOILED while he recovers :)
Don't worry, he always sleeps inside at night, and his bed is off the ground so he won't get the draft (and he has blankets to keep him warm). However, he has been choosing to sleep in his kennel while he's recovering, as I think he feels really safe in there, and probably just wants to get away from Abby for a while. Reguarding the meds, he is on pain killers right now. He has 1/2 of one in the morning, and the other 1/2 at night. I know what you mean about JRTs covering up their pain.. Before Harley's operation he didn't show he was in ANY pain at all! That's why I kind of ruled out that it might have been stones, even though that was my initial diagnosis. I'm sorry to hear that your dog has gone through so many surgeries! Poor thing! :(
 

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I am so glad to hear that your Harley is spoiled...and feeling better!! :) I am sure you are the best mom for him. Take Care and I hope he recovers fully and even better than before :D
 

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Thanks! :) Harley has 4 people to look after him, and we all spoil him (and Abby) greatly! I could never imagine not letting him sleep inside. If it was my choice I'd let my dogs sleep in my room! :D I am really happy to see Harley is slowly recovering. I hope he's feeling much better in about a weeks time. Even though he is still in pain, he won't give up his daily walks!
 

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