Trying to decide between a Fila and a Boerboel. Can anyone tell me about them?

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I've looked on dogbreedinfo, I don't know how accurate that website is. I just wanted to ask some people.

It says that Filas have distrust of strangers "Ojeriza" which I'm interpreting as it attacks anything that isn't it's family no matter how much you socialize it? That would be a bit much.

I like Boerboels but I have to wonder about if they're going to attack welcomed guests as well.

I like the big protective mastiff breeds if anyone could point me in the right direction. I just don't want anything that can't be trained not to attack welcomed guests.
 
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First off, dogbreedinfo is NOT a good place to get info, even on a commonly known breed. Do a few searches here and you'll find yourself inundated in actual experienced owner information on both breeds.

Second, no, neither a Fila nor a Boerbel is right for you if you aren't an extremely savvy dog owner. Owning a Mastiff, English Mastiff or Bull Mastiff will NOT prepare you for it. Neither does owning a GSD, a Malinois, a Doberman or other similar breeds. Not even remotely.

The English Mastiff is a good choice for a more biddable mastiff and there is still plenty of scare factor. A Bull Mastiff might be something to look at too.

And no, that is not even remotely what ojeriza is. We've a long thread on that, too ;)
 

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Its great that you're asking questions; because no doubt if you don't ask questions you wouldn't know anything. And its also a plus that you're asking questions BEFORE you get the dog.
But if you're planning to own either a Fila or a Boerbel any time soon, you shouldn't have to ask questions- you should know the answers.
Both breeds are extremely intelligent, and will know (like any breed) if the 'pack leader' knows what they're doing or not, you need to be very confident of yourself and what you're doing. Or else, prepare to have your home and your life run by your dog.

So, what I'd suggest:
- Buy books, magazines, watch documentaries... read, read, READ! Both cons, and pros.
- GET EXPERIENCE WITH THE BREEDS! Don't just go to a place one day and buy one, spend time with the breeds for many months, if not a year or more.
Go to shows, talk to: breeders, owners, visit breed- specific rescue groups. Even try finding a a good Boerbel, or Fila specific forums- you'll get a LOT more replies to breed specific questions- then you would on a general dog forums.
- Make sure you find lots of support from vets, behaviorist, obedience classes, etc.

- Also, ask yourself these questions:
Why do I want that breed?
What am I going to do with this dog?

So pretty much...
PLAN. PLAN. PLAN.
READ. READ. READ.
TALK. TALK. TALK.
VISIT VISIT VISIT.
 

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Well, you don't learn about a dog unless you ask questions and read. I am glad you are asking at least. Reading your post, I would say neither breed would be a good fit, as I have heard a Boerboel is a close smaller version of a Fila. :)

You might consider one of the other large breeds. There are so many wonderful large breed dogs that might be a little more excepting of strangers, but still very protective. Good luck, and let us know which breed you decide on adding to your home.
 

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What about a leonberger? They are typically good with other dogs and when socialized, with strangers. Very intelligent, and protective of family.

One of the things I love about leos is they seem to be pretty good at judging how much force is really necessary. If your kids are playing tag with the neighbor kids, and a leo gets upset because his children are running away and screaming he's much more likely to stop the "aggressor" children by knocking them down and sitting on them vs. taking someone's face off or putting holes in their arm.

In a world where a bite of any kind is often a death sentence, that's a nice trait to have.

Also, leos don't drool like other mastiffs. ;)
 

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I'm new here, and I don't know too much about you- so I decided to take a look at your other threads.
And by the looks of it, particularly by your recent thread "Is my new dog going to be a wimp forever?", it seems to me that you shouldn't be owning any dog- let alone a dog that needs an experienced, confident owner.
I hope you don't take this as that I'm being rude. If fact, I'm only trying my best to help- and find what's not only best for the dog, but for you as well.

You got some REALLY great advise from the other members on that thread, and really I don't understand why you aren't following it.

Right now, the best thing is not to get a dog.
Just volunteer at places where there are dogs.
Spend as much time as you can with all sorts of breeds, until you find the right match.

Also, I'm wondering- are you still living in that apartment?
Boerbels, Filas and apartments, in my opinion in a big NO- NO.
I don't care how much you say you'll exercise it, because actions are much stronger than words.
 

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Judging from the past threads, I don't think I'd recommend anything more than a stuffed dog to this particular person, let alone something that needs an EXPERIENCED, intelligent owner.
 

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I'm going to echo the comments about not thinking you should be getting a dog right now. While I'm glad you are seeking information about these two breeds BEFORE running out and getting one, I'm also of the opinion that you need to have more education and experience before even thinking about taking on another dog, especially one of these breeds. After reading the thread that Laurelin linked us two about your "wimpy" dog, I'm a bit nerved that you're trying to get another. What happened to that "wimpy" puppy btw? I'm not trying to be rude, but I'm trying to be realistic and you getting another dog right now is probably NOT a great idea for you or for that potential dog.
 

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Judging from the past threads, I don't think I'd recommend anything more than a stuffed dog to this particular person, let alone something that needs an EXPERIENCED, intelligent owner.
Agree, but at the same time if they are determined to get a dog, I'd rather see them get a dog they can be happy with (for the sake of the dog) and that is somewhat forgiving of beginner handler error. A hard breed that mistrusts strangers like a fila or boerboel in the hands of an inexperienced owner is going to become a loose cannon at best.

If they are determined to get a dog, some random strangers on the internet saying "you don't deserve a dog" isn't going to stop them. I'd rather get them to think about WHY they want a dog, and help them figure out the kind that is best suited for the experience level and lifestyle.

To the OP, whatever dog you decide to get, please enroll it in puppy classes and then basic obedience. It's obvious you'd like a larger breed. Putting it in classes will not only help your dog grow up confident and mentally healthy, it will also teach you how to handle behavioral issues as it grows and help develop a strong bond between you so you're able to handle it when it's huge.

Dogs the size you are talking about cannot be physically dominated, I don't care if you're a 300 lb body builder. At a certain point they just exceed human strength. Large and giant breeds need consistency, love, and respect to reach their full potential as companions and protectors. That's really true of all dogs, but especially important when you're working with breeds that are able to out muscle you if they decide to dish back any kind of physical stuff you're doing to them.
 

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From the other posts, you seem to want a protective dog; and right now you are looking at one late maturing breed (the Boerboel) and possibly another (the fila? not sure about when they are fully confident in their actions), I'd suggest you find yourself an adult that is confident and from a rescue that you could work with. Petfinder has several owner surrender Boerboels available (the reasons generally are too much dog and not enough money; so you might be able to acquire an adult dog that is firm in it's temperament) as opposed to having to wait 2-3 years for your Boerboel puppy to grow up.

Boerboels can generally transfer ownership without too much trouble (I expect Filas are trickier), however you will want to subscribe to NILIF, and not put your dog in a situation for the first 6 mos. where you have to correct it.

My suggestion, as the owner of a 'boel.
 
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Slooow down everyone lol. I think I worded that thread about my pitbull X rottweiler a bit harshly. He's doing fine now by the way. Not a wimp, infact he makes a hell of a lot of noise when he sees someone he doesn't know. Still a puppy too!

To make a long story short, I had to move back in with my mom, and brought the dogs with me. She loves them. I'm going to let her keep them.

I'm moving again though and will be getting another dog. I'm moving to a 2.5 acre property and was going to start a chicken/ rabbit farm. The dog is going to LOVE all of the free range chickens and rabbits I'm going to let it eat.

I'm going to need a dog to protect my animals from predators, while not attacking the animals it needs to protect. At the same time I'd rather it scared strangers to the point to where they don't want to come on the property rather than have it attack them.

I also want something friendly that will keep me company while I'm working. So that probably eliminates flock guardian breeds right?

To reiterate, ALL OF MY DOGS ARE FINE. No behavioral problems what so ever. I know someone's going to ask, so just so you know I trained them, not my mom.

Only problem I have is my mom begged and pleaded for me to leave the dogs with her.

So here I am once again asking about dogs.
 
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Its great that you're asking questions; because no doubt if you don't ask questions you wouldn't know anything. And its also a plus that you're asking questions BEFORE you get the dog.
But if you're planning to own either a Fila or a Boerbel any time soon, you shouldn't have to ask questions- you should know the answers.
Both breeds are extremely intelligent, and will know (like any breed) if the 'pack leader' knows what they're doing or not, you need to be very confident of yourself and what you're doing. Or else, prepare to have your home and your life run by your dog.

So, what I'd suggest:
- Buy books, magazines, watch documentaries... read, read, READ! Both cons, and pros.
- GET EXPERIENCE WITH THE BREEDS! Don't just go to a place one day and buy one, spend time with the breeds for many months, if not a year or more.
Go to shows, talk to: breeders, owners, visit breed- specific rescue groups. Even try finding a a good Boerbel, or Fila specific forums- you'll get a LOT more replies to breed specific questions- then you would on a general dog forums.
- Make sure you find lots of support from vets, behaviorist, obedience classes, etc.

- Also, ask yourself these questions:
Why do I want that breed?
What am I going to do with this dog?

So pretty much...
PLAN. PLAN. PLAN.
READ. READ. READ.
TALK. TALK. TALK.
VISIT VISIT VISIT.
I don't know about other breed specific forums, but unless things have changed DRASTICALLY in the last two or three years, a Fila specific forum is about the LAST place I'd send a novice. I'm not a novice by a long shot, and there's are so many reasons I don't even go there anymore. Even when I was a novice I knew enough to know that a good half (or more) of the tripe being thrown around like gospel was -- bluntly -- dangerous bullshit and the product of egos run wild.
 

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I am very glad to hear the other dog, dogs (?) are doing wonderful. Once again, I am going to voice my opinion and hope you go with a little lighter breed than the two you are researching. IMO an English Mastiff might be the perfect dog, they are protective, loving, the biggest of the Mastiff breeds and would be a little better for some one that doesn't have quite the experience needed to handle the Boers and the Filas.

I feel I must tell you, If these dogs are not handled and taught properly, they can be dangerous.
Take it from one who knows... I had to put Cleo, my female to sleep last month, it was awful. You have no idea what torment I went thru to make that decision. I still cry everyday because of it. Cleo's death never should have happend, had her previous owner had a f'ing clue what the hell he was doing this would not have happend. Had her breeder had an even more f'ing clue, she never would have sold Cleo to an inexperienced person. She is dead because of a very hard temperament, and because she loved too much! That is the only thing she ever did wrong, was love to much. So please, I am asking you to wait a few years until you have a lot more experience with dogs before you consider one of these breeds.
 

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I agree with Filarotten and wait a few more years until you have more experiace with a hard tempermented dog like the Fila and Boers.

Myself was very much interested in the Fila, and still am, but I am waiting until I get more experiance with the Mastiff breed until I dive deep into the loving world of the Fila. I have decided on a Cane Corso. Still a very intense breed, not for the inexperianced but I believe I have it in me to deal with a CC and to train one properly and believe me this dog will be trained to the nines because this is a powerful, big strong breed and if you take on a breed like that there is alot you must put into the breed to make it a safe, confident, happy dog.
 

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I don't know about other breed specific forums, but unless things have changed DRASTICALLY in the last two or three years, a Fila specific forum is about the LAST place I'd send a novice. I'm not a novice by a long shot, and there's are so many reasons I don't even go there anymore. Even when I was a novice I knew enough to know that a good half (or more) of the tripe being thrown around like gospel was -- bluntly -- dangerous bullshit and the product of egos run wild.
This is so true! The only thing I learned from reading the Fila forums were a few new curse words.
 

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I'm moving again though and will be getting another dog. I'm moving to a 2.5 acre property and was going to start a chicken/ rabbit farm. The dog is going to LOVE all of the free range chickens and rabbits I'm going to let it eat.

I'm going to need a dog to protect my animals from predators, while not attacking the animals it needs to protect. At the same time I'd rather it scared strangers to the point to where they don't want to come on the property rather than have it attack them.

I also want something friendly that will keep me company while I'm working. So that probably eliminates flock guardian breeds right?
What kind of setup are you planning for your livestock?

With stock that small, your biggest threat of predation is coming from the air.

Are you raising the chickens for meat or eggs? The commercial meat birds (cornish, cornish X broilers, etc.) do not make good range birds. They lack the ability to forage, so many will actually starve themselves when you turn them out to graze. Also, they put so much of their growth into muscle that they don't feather out as quickly as other breeds. They end up needing protection from the elements otherwise your birds will get heatstroke or chilled. They can't handle rain like other types. Also, commercial meat breeds all come in white which makes them big targets for hawks if they aren't in a covered run.

Egg layer types do much better as range birds. Leghorns can become hawk savvy if they are raised right and given enough cover to hide in, and they also come black and brown which make it easier for them to hide.

The best range birds are old style game fowl, but they are very slow to mature and don't grow as heavy as the commercial meat birds.

If you want your birds to be able to range a bit, a simple flight pen will keep them safe from aerial predators.

Rabbits also need cover or you are going to lose them to hawks. They also need fencing or they will run away.

My point is, smaller stock is going to need some kind of fencing to keep them safe, regardless of whether you've got a livestock protection dog or not. What a dog will do is keep raccoons and possibly coyotes away. Our borzois cleaned out the raccoons. When I had one borzoi that didn't stop the coyotes from dropping by and trying to get into the birds, but when we got our second they managed to kill a coyote and stopped the coyotes from coming back.

Renee's suggestions of a nice rotti, german shepherd, or aussie are really good ones. All three of those breeds will put on a big noisy show if people show up uninvited.

If you want any suggestions on poultry and things, let me know. I used to raise chickens as a hobby farm (had about 300 at any given time).
 

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