A "breeder" is not a "trainer", either. And there are "trainers" out there that are totally white trash barbarians with their dogs. There was a "trainer" once I knew about that had dobes and would pick them up and smash them down on the ground when they weren't doing what she expected. And she'd "nip their ears" with her fingernails to make them yelp to "get their attention". She thought this was the best way to train. She was eventually banned, thank God.