Trainign Agressive Dog Video

[Cessena]

Have you guys seen this video of Sit Means Sit training an aggressive dog? It looks like they are using 2 e collars.

YouTube - Chicago Dog Training with an Aggressive Pitbull

I was just curious what this board's reactions were, and what better ways there would be to go about this? Do you think the dog should just be euthanized? I don't know that I fully "buy" the reasons they give for it becoming aggressive towards humans, unless it was out of protectiveness towards the owner. But then, what do I know.

Sorry if this is a re-post. We were talking about it on a husky board I read and I was wondering if the trainers here had any thoughts.

 

[RedyreRottweilers]

I won't view that clip, but I have heard about it. This is not training, IMO. If this is the clip I think it is, what they did to that dog is criminal.

 

[corgipower]

They just have one ecollar. The other is a big leather collar.

As for my reaction, it's pretty awful. The first minute or so shows the dog with the owner and he's fearful of the trainer. (Look at the dog's tail in the first few seconds as the owner walks him past.)

As for being euthanized? I don't know. I would want to see how he did with counter conditioning first. The trainer is too far into the dog's comfort zones. Creating positive associations and starting at a further distance can be very useful for that.

 

[bubbatd]

I find it disturbing,,,,, I'm afraid I'd never trust him .

 

[Maxy24]

I would never trust a dog trained like that. He still hates people as much as, if not more than, he did before. So now you are hoping all that fear or aggression he has can be controlled by him for the rest of his life, because it's all still there, just as strong as it was or stronger, bottled up inside of him, wanting to come out, he wants to defend himself sooooo badly and you have to hope that his memory of being electrocuted is enough for him to not so what he wants to do so badly. Not only that but now no one will be cautious of him, everyone will be fooled into thinking he's a great dog with no problems and the owner will let all sorts of people pet him, and the dog will be holding himself back every time, wanting to go at them every time, remembering the pain every time and hopefully he will remember that pain and hopefully it will be enough to keep him from doing what he wants to do. One day if it's not, if it's been a long time since he got shocked or he is just too scared or too stimulated or simply forgets when startled someone will get hurt, someone could die and pit bulls will get another death blamed on them when it should be blamed on these people for either letting a viscous dog live or for poorly training a dog who could have been saved with better training.

I don't know why that dog is aggressive so I don't know whether or not he should just be put down or whether positive association should be attempted. But changing his mind about people is a lot better protection than not bothering with what's in his head and just making him too afraid to defend himself/do what he wants. It's better to change what the dog wants.

 

[Fran101]

Thats not training, thats abuse.

Kenya is TRAINED to not pull on the lead anymore, through commands, praise and treats

If i wouldve shocked or beat her each time she pulled, it would scare and shut her down enough to that she wouldnt.. but its NOT training. its fear

 

[bubbatd]

There was a " trainer " in my old town and I told my puppy buyers NOT to go to her !! She raised Dobes and was kicked out of my obedience class for "" hanging " her dogs by their chain collars to get their attention ! That sure would have broken a Golden's spirit !

 

[Zoom]

I only watched the first 30 seconds of that but I'm flat out livid. If this is the "good" video from the trainer...sheesh. First, they did absolutely nothing to gain the dog's trust. Second, as lizzybeth mentioned, they moved into the person space far too soon. Third, they did no training whatsoever. They pushed a button on a shock collar when the dog went for them and held it until the dog relented. That's not training.

I don't buy the explanation either. The dog suddenly wanted to kill *people* after being attacked by a dog...right. Two different areas of aggression, not related.

 

[OutlineACDs]

Well, I commented on the video... before I realized they screen comments and delete all comments that disagree with their methods.

As someone who owns a severely fear agressive dog, this video makes me cry. Literally, it is so sad to watch that dog suffer. There are much better ways to deal with aggression.

 

[ihartgonzo]

How utterly disgusting. D:<

I also LOVE, love, love this response to your post that was apparently deleted:
"Cessena,

Did you watch the entire video? Words like "subdued" and "submission" is the same as gaining respect.

Take this dog for a 5 mile jog and he'll be too tired to attack a hissing cat.

Please expound on what you would do with this dog: bribe him with treats, coo and put a Paris Hilton hoodie on him?

Or try the Republican/redneck version of animal training: just kill it. It's too wild and aggressive."

Oh, heck yes. I would personally turn that dog loose, and toss cookies in his mouth whilst he bit my face off. And of course, no bribery is complete without the latest in canine couture!

It's sad that people actually BUY this trash. A dog who is writhing around, giving every ounce of energy he has to attempt to attack a person, is going just decide that people are ok after a few minutes of shocking (or however long that poor dog was shocked... the video did cut off)? And WTH about all of this being due to a Husky attacking him under a fence and biting his ears? Pshh. What is going to create a worse association with people - a dog attacking him, or strangers forcing him to shut down using physical pain?

 

[BostonBanker]

If it's the video I think it is, there was a thread on it a while ago. I had to stop watching after a minute or so. Unbelievable that anyone would watch that and be okay with it, whether you know dogs or not.

 

[Cessena]

Hehehe I think they banned me from commenting. Way to defend your methods guys.

 

[Cheetah]

Sick sick sick.

 

[lizzybeth727]

Wow, that made me cry.

I dont' know how or when they were shocking the dog (I guess the sound wasn't working on my link), but even if they hadn't been using the collar it was clear that the dog was simply exhausted and shut down by the end of it. Did you notice how hard he was panting?? I particularly appreciated how TWO "trainers" patted the dog on the head JUST after he decided to stop attacking them. I too would NOT have taken the muzzle off the dog at the point in which they did (though there are SO MANY things I would not have done), and fully expected the dog to turn around and bite after they took it off. That he didn't bite probably tells you a lot about the dog!

But like others have said, I would've started with desensetization, working far outside the dog's threshold and associating people with fun things. "Click to Calm" would most certainly have done wonders for this dog.

I'd be curious to know how many times those "trainers" have been bitten.

 

[Romy]

I'd be curious to know how many times those "trainers" have been bitten.

They're probably from that camp of "trainers" who brag about how many times aggressive dogs have bitten them while they were "saving" them from themselves. Like it makes them some kind of a saint.

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