Thoughts on the anti breeder philosophy

lizzybeth727

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Great thread, many good ideas to comment on, but I'll only choose a few:

If their shelter dog was the best dog ever and it came from a byb why not go back to a byb to get a puppy?
Dekka, I do understand this statement, and I think it's a valid idea. But, I've talked to a lot of people (my own mother, for one) who have adopted a shelter dog before and then the dog had so many health problems that they will not adopt another dog. One of my good friends will not adopt another cat from a shelter because of all the health problems her current cat has. I think if someone adopts a pet from a shelter, they are not wondering about what breeder that dog came from, and wouldn't necessarily go to a BYB simply because that's where their rescued dog originally came from. What I could see happening, though, is that they rescue a BYB dog, and then want another dog that looks just like that one; since the rescued dog is probably not breed standard, they will probably find the best look-alike at a BYB, and if they don't know the difference between a good breeder and a bad breeder they'll buy from anywhere.

On the other hand, I've heard of a lot of people "rescuing" puppies from petstores and puppy millers, simply because they're in such terrible conditions. These people too are not necessarily thinking about what breeder the dogs came from or how their money is only encouraging the breeder to continue. They're just seeing that they're adopting that one individual animal, and they feel good about that.

To me, a big part of the solution would be educating people about puppy mills and BYB, and how to find a good breeder. I personally am passionate about rescuing pets, I don't see myself ever buying a cat or dog from a breeder, and I do whatever I can to help encourage others to rescue a pet as well (including helping friends and relatives temperment test pets in shelters and helping them find the right pet for their lifestyle). BUT, that doesn't mean that I think someone else is a terrible person for buying a dog from a reputable breeder. Like someone else said, some rescues are very difficult to work with. Recently I've been thinking about getting a pet bird, but all the bird rescues in my area (even those hundreds of miles away) require that you be experienced with these particular birds before they will adopt one out. I understand where they're coming from there, but at the same time I think I'm a good pet owner who could give a bird a really good life, but I will still be turned down for any bird other than one from a breeder or pet store.

I also think that there should be better government oversight on the breeding of pets, especially in regards to puppy mills. All too often puppy millers get "busted," fined, and then are back in business with new breeding dogs before you know it, and to me that is extremely sad and preventable.
 

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I think another problems is in the shelters/rescues themselves. Because the dog they have came from a bad situation, they try their hardest to make sure that said dog doesn't go back into a similar situation. I have nothing against that, and I think it's great.

The problem is that they then start to create all these bogus rules.

-You can't adopt if you don't have a fence.
-You can't adopt if you have children.
-You can't adopt if you don't own your own home.
-You can't adopt if you're under the age of 26.
-You can't adopt if [insert stupid reason here].

Alot of the people who fall under those "you can't adopt if" rules, will often then go to the local petshop and buy a puppy. Now, I'm not going to say that is all the people who buy a dog... but it's definately a good portion of them.

I've been turned down for adoption before bc I fall under a few of those catagories... Does that mean I shouldn't have dogs? I surely hope not!
i totally agree with that. i went to a rescue with an aunt of mine looking for a dog for her family. she was turned down for a dog because of having a kid, which in my opinion is RIDICULOUS. the dog she chose is still sitting in a shelter. i managed to convince her to try a rescue, and try and consider then $300 adoption fee.. and then she was turned down.
she went to animal control and got a dog. $65 dollars and a signature and you have yourself a dog. atleast she saved a life, her dog is great and great with her child. but many DO NOT go the animal control route.. they go straight to the puppy shop.
 

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i work in a vet hospital in lancaster county pa. puppymill central. we see tons and tons of byb, farm, mill, and petstore puppies. we occasionally get the apologetic purchaser who "saved" the puppy but they are not the norm. most puppy buyers we get in are either absolutely clueless or they just saw the cute puppy in the case and had to have her right now now now now!!!!

shelters require too much effort and require you submit to their scrutiny. petstores, the farmers down the road who breed their two lab bitches every heat, the puppy brokers- they just require you plunk down the cash. and some places will even finance your puppy.

i agree that education is the key to all of this, but until we, as a culture, move away from me me me now now now.... i don't know how successful we'll be.

ETA: we also have a couple rescues who will go in and "save" puppymill rejects or breeding stock of breeders who are shutting down and then turn around and "adopt" them out for ridiculous amounts of money. i have a BIG problem with that.
 

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i agree that education is the key to all of this, but until we, as a culture, move away from me me me now now now.... i don't know how successful we'll be.
There was a rescue I knew of that opened a store in a mall - upstairs from the pet store that sold puppies. They brought in a few of the dogs they had available for adoption. They did it specifically to address the impulse puppy buyer issue.
 

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There was a rescue I knew of that opened a store in a mall - upstairs from the pet store that sold puppies. They brought in a few of the dogs they had available for adoption. They did it specifically to address the impulse puppy buyer issue.
stuff like that is definitely a good idea. i love that the big box petstores bring local rescues into their stores and get them seen. it's marketing, pure and simple. getting the word out. making shelter/rescue animals more available, appealing, and the adoption process more user-friendly.
 

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