He was a good vet for everything else. Just not rabbits. And he was nice. And he felt so bad when I was bawling in his office. But it just goes to show that vets specialize in different things. They have different opinions. I tried to tell him after and brought him research. I even called a rabbit vet in vancouver and he confirmed what I had found out. But this vet just wasn't open to it. You always have to do your research on everything and go into anything informed. You'll be wiser for it
Those **** choke chains
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i'm not saje, but i'd just like to add my opinion about the dogproblems.com website. adam katz (the owner) is not what i would call a reputable trainer. to him it's mostly just all about money, with his "secrets of a professional dog trainer" thing.
one of the more ridiculous things on his purely marketing oriented site is his "$10,000 Dog Trainer Challenge". read all the rules he sets forth thoroughly. it's hype, that's all - no wonder he doesn't have any takers, if that is even indeed true.
the guy can't stand reason and logical debate, i know of more than one person who has been banned from his forum, not for being rude (the only one who was being rude was him) but for intelligently, politely debating him on training issues to a point where he simply couldn't make any arguments anymore that didn't make him look like the idiot he is. his solution was banning people from his forum and deleting the posts. very mature, very professional - NOT.
so look past marketing hype, past clever attempts to sell you something as a "secret", past the bovine excrement money back guarantee, past the advertisements for mediocre products as "the best in the world" and get to the real thing.
if you want to know what it is really about for him, look here and many things become clear quite instantly.
one of the more ridiculous things on his purely marketing oriented site is his "$10,000 Dog Trainer Challenge". read all the rules he sets forth thoroughly. it's hype, that's all - no wonder he doesn't have any takers, if that is even indeed true.
the guy can't stand reason and logical debate, i know of more than one person who has been banned from his forum, not for being rude (the only one who was being rude was him) but for intelligently, politely debating him on training issues to a point where he simply couldn't make any arguments anymore that didn't make him look like the idiot he is. his solution was banning people from his forum and deleting the posts. very mature, very professional - NOT.
so look past marketing hype, past clever attempts to sell you something as a "secret", past the bovine excrement money back guarantee, past the advertisements for mediocre products as "the best in the world" and get to the real thing.
if you want to know what it is really about for him, look here and many things become clear quite instantly.
I just joined that site.
I've searched through a lot of sites and boards. My favorite forums welcome everyone, regardless of training methods and philosophies. How else can we get the whole picture?
Personally, I have learned more about both humans AND dogs, from the people I don't initially see "eye-to-eye" with. How can I step outside of where I am now, if I only associate with folks who I agree with?
Instead of grouping together in little clubs, with secret handshakes and passwords, I think it's a good idea to get to know someone who has a different "take" on things. I have found there is a common ground, when it comes to being humans, who love dogs.
Forum boards who only subscribe to a specific range of methodogies, are closing the door on valuable, free information. I have noticed many of the more "one-sided" boards, are not as active as the mixed ones.
Oh, here comes my favorite little phrase!
"If ignorance is the lack of knowledge, then stupidity is the blind refusal of knowledge offered."
See ya around guys!
I've searched through a lot of sites and boards. My favorite forums welcome everyone, regardless of training methods and philosophies. How else can we get the whole picture?
Personally, I have learned more about both humans AND dogs, from the people I don't initially see "eye-to-eye" with. How can I step outside of where I am now, if I only associate with folks who I agree with?
Instead of grouping together in little clubs, with secret handshakes and passwords, I think it's a good idea to get to know someone who has a different "take" on things. I have found there is a common ground, when it comes to being humans, who love dogs.
Forum boards who only subscribe to a specific range of methodogies, are closing the door on valuable, free information. I have noticed many of the more "one-sided" boards, are not as active as the mixed ones.
Oh, here comes my favorite little phrase!
"If ignorance is the lack of knowledge, then stupidity is the blind refusal of knowledge offered."
See ya around guys!
Choke collars are NOT supposed to choke the dog. Now, I am not talking way back when training was brutal to most dogs.
They are supposed to be corrective collars. You are not supposed to choke, lift the dog off the ground, strangle, tug harshly or anything like that.
One thing that gets me really angry is that all these pet stores sell these corrective and dragon/prong collars...have you noticed that there are no instuctions on them. I will go into a pet store and see 9 out 10 dogs with the corrective collars on backwards or just plain wrong....
Since I have trained countless dogs using this method, as well as the clicker...not one dog was ever injured or hurt. I personally really dislike the prong collars and see no need for them if you know what you are doing.
Some of the most famous and humane trainers use corrective collars, even the one I was an "apprentice" to years ago. I know the production company who has the most work in Hollywood using animals in movies and t.v., they use them too. There facility is great, clean and the trainers are so awesome.
There are several ways to train a dog, none of which should hurt or BREAK the dog. That goes against I stand for... but properly used, a corrective collar can be almost like a clicker, just a slight "pop" makes the chain make a sound that lets the dog...NO.
I do recommend that you never leave a corrective collar of any type, even if it's made of cloth on your dog when not training, or on a walk. If left alone, the dog can catch it on something, stuggle and stangle themselves. Just my opinion.
They are supposed to be corrective collars. You are not supposed to choke, lift the dog off the ground, strangle, tug harshly or anything like that.
One thing that gets me really angry is that all these pet stores sell these corrective and dragon/prong collars...have you noticed that there are no instuctions on them. I will go into a pet store and see 9 out 10 dogs with the corrective collars on backwards or just plain wrong....
Since I have trained countless dogs using this method, as well as the clicker...not one dog was ever injured or hurt. I personally really dislike the prong collars and see no need for them if you know what you are doing.
Some of the most famous and humane trainers use corrective collars, even the one I was an "apprentice" to years ago. I know the production company who has the most work in Hollywood using animals in movies and t.v., they use them too. There facility is great, clean and the trainers are so awesome.
There are several ways to train a dog, none of which should hurt or BREAK the dog. That goes against I stand for... but properly used, a corrective collar can be almost like a clicker, just a slight "pop" makes the chain make a sound that lets the dog...NO.
I do recommend that you never leave a corrective collar of any type, even if it's made of cloth on your dog when not training, or on a walk. If left alone, the dog can catch it on something, stuggle and stangle themselves. Just my opinion.
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I never pulled on the choke chain back when I used them. The reason why my dog would gag is because she would pull and pull and pull. When she would start gaging, she would stop for one second to catch her breath, and then go back to pulling. I actually tryed to walk faster, so she couldnt choke herself as bad. She would absolutely go off, when she saw another animal or grasshopper. like I sayed before, I had to sit on the ground and brace myself when she saw something. I also hate the fact that pet stores sell prong colars with out directions. If I could have trained my dog not to pull, then I would have never used any training colars. The prong colar was actually my last resort. first I tryed the choke chain, then a regular harness, then a no-pull harness, then a head halter, and finaly the only thing that worked... the prong colar.
Well, you have big dogs with really stong muscles in their necks....so to be quite honest, I really doubt the prong collar actually hurts them unless you are being abusive, which I know you are not. Maybe start with that, if that is working for you, and then "down grade" to a different collar. The majority of people out there, are not looking to hurt their dogs, they just hear "stuff" and read "stuff" and think that's the answer...I am not directly saying this to you, but just to people in general. I take my training very seriously, it's like an art to me. Bonding with the animal and having them doing things that they like to do. Using pos. reinforcement.... I am not good at much, but animals are really the only thing I am great at.
I don't recommend using a prong collar on a yorkie...but a rott, is a different story.
This may and will sound like bragging,,,, but I could do wonders with a dog in several minutes not using that type of collar. THEN AGAIN....I have been trained to do this, it's my life. I can't balance a check book for the life of me, but I can train.
Rottie, if this is working for you, and your dog is not hurting, keep going if you are getting positive results and then move forward by using less restraint.
I don't recommend using a prong collar on a yorkie...but a rott, is a different story.
This may and will sound like bragging,,,, but I could do wonders with a dog in several minutes not using that type of collar. THEN AGAIN....I have been trained to do this, it's my life. I can't balance a check book for the life of me, but I can train.
Rottie, if this is working for you, and your dog is not hurting, keep going if you are getting positive results and then move forward by using less restraint.
what should I do to stop him from pulling
My 6-month old GSD is making me hate taking him for walks. He pulls and lunges at other dogs. I tried the Gentle Leader which helped me control him but he still pulls and wants to forge ahead. My arm gets so strained that it hurts. I also tried saying "easy" and pulling him back by my sdie but that didn't work either. Can anyone help please ? I just don't want to use a choke collar.
My 6-month old GSD is making me hate taking him for walks. He pulls and lunges at other dogs. I tried the Gentle Leader which helped me control him but he still pulls and wants to forge ahead. My arm gets so strained that it hurts. I also tried saying "easy" and pulling him back by my sdie but that didn't work either. Can anyone help please ? I just don't want to use a choke collar.
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NO PULL HARNESS!
That is what I use on Yukon and Storm. I could not walk Storm and Yukon was so aggressive lunging at people and other dogs. Yikes. No pull harness ended it all, no hassels and no fighting with the dogs either. My arms do not hurt at all and we enjoy our walks. I would strongly recommend the NO PULL HARNESS.
Mine came from Petcetera, but I have seen them at Pet Smart, Walmart, Pet Valu.
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Nope we allow no one to touch the dogs period. I also have absolutely no problems if I use the no pull harness. It solves everything, he does not even try to pull and neither does Storm. THere for a while he never got a walk just got tossed into the yard. No fun, much better to go for walks and exploring. I do not always go into town either anymore only when I go for my mail. Moved from Apartment to big house and property on Sept 1, so much nicer to have a yard and a place to go outside. I usually take the dogs with me so they at least get out of the boonies once a day! At home the no pull harnesses are needed because the prey drive is so strong they chase anything and everything that runs or flys. So I was doing the stretched arms thing all the time and now no problems at all.
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No one asks here and I just yell at them not to touch the dogs that both dogs bite. Of course that is not true but hey it stops them from harrassing me. I am fed up with people being so rude. Those that ask I place the dogs in a sit and I allow them to pet the dogs. NO one asks or at least not yet so no one has touched them.