"I asked her to call the breeder from the 12th week and at almost 1 year, the breeder took back her dog."Good for you!! and Good for the breeder. My first issue with breeders is their ability to take the dogs they breed back!!!!
When I did rescue I was surpised to find that Akbash- Kangal- and many CO did well in rehomes back then. Sadly things have changed since then cause of nature vs nature.
Mind you ive met some Kuvasz from Working Guard dog lines that were tougher than some Co and CAS.. So it comes down to what the breeder is breeding for and just how many generations of selection do they have to say I feel this pup is going to mature in this way..
Thanks for the clarification.
When I did rescue I was surpised to find that Akbash- Kangal- and many CO did well in rehomes back then. Sadly things have changed since then cause of nature vs nature.
Mind you ive met some Kuvasz from Working Guard dog lines that were tougher than some Co and CAS.. So it comes down to what the breeder is breeding for and just how many generations of selection do they have to say I feel this pup is going to mature in this way..
Thanks for the clarification.
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Reggin, and especially you, Grammy, since you've met her . . . realize that Kharma - and any proper Fila - is harder than the dogs you just saw in the video and has a stronger natural aversion to strangers.
What the breeder showed, taking the dog out in public like that, is what I've done with her from an early age. A less intelligent dog couldn't make those differentiations.
Did you ever feel unsafe with Kharma, Grammy? Trust me, that exhibition she put on when she heard the gunshots was nothing . . . and what you saw those dogs do in the video was MILD.
What the breeder showed, taking the dog out in public like that, is what I've done with her from an early age. A less intelligent dog couldn't make those differentiations.
Did you ever feel unsafe with Kharma, Grammy? Trust me, that exhibition she put on when she heard the gunshots was nothing . . . and what you saw those dogs do in the video was MILD.
Mind you, I have no real clue about molossers.... but I am really PO'd at the video. If you make a documentary about a breed- be factual and expose all aspects.
Can't they see that this just follows the hype?! They probably helped a couple of BYBs with this show. Because these dogs offer better protection than a .45 ... and literally advertise with that. They're going to be the next best thing after Pitties to be the toughest one on the block.
Sorry, but this video stunk
Can't they see that this just follows the hype?! They probably helped a couple of BYBs with this show. Because these dogs offer better protection than a .45 ... and literally advertise with that. They're going to be the next best thing after Pitties to be the toughest one on the block.
Sorry, but this video stunk
Just to point out... the dog goes after cars... he is not attacking the camera guy in the house or outside. He is not attacking the black dog or the person walking it.... Just the cars. I know of many BC/JRTs and other dogs who do the same thing. Chasing and barking at cars is a lack of training and outlet, not necessarily aggression. The issue with it is how big the dog is. I got the impression they took him out on a flat leather collar to show how "big and strong the dog was as he tried to chase cars" for the camera.
And I found it interesting how the owner said e collars and choke collars of all kinds don't work as they don't care about the pain. Hmm I wonder if he tried any positive reinforcement training on focus and ignoring the cars?
And I found it interesting how the owner said e collars and choke collars of all kinds don't work as they don't care about the pain. Hmm I wonder if he tried any positive reinforcement training on focus and ignoring the cars?
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The breed is an ancient one of course not to be in the hands of people who weigh barly as much as my 5 year old daughter(what was the breeder thinking allowing that skinny guy to use as an example for her breed?)
The documentry was poor and really potrayed the CO in a bad light i believe.
If i had more space right now the CO would be right up there with one of the dogs i want.
The documentry was poor and really potrayed the CO in a bad light i believe.
If i had more space right now the CO would be right up there with one of the dogs i want.
It's not the guy's size that bothers me . . . it's that he so obviously lacks the mental and emotional strength to be a partner to a dog that intelligent and that strong willed.
I wouldn't hesitate to put a Fila into the hands of Breeze or Dr2Little, even though neither one of them makes it to five feet tall. It's what's on the INSIDE of a person that controls a dog.
PapaB, even a guy your size can't hold a Fila - or a CO, for that matter, by physical strength. They really are that much stronger than we are physically. They are held by the mind and the heart.
I wouldn't hesitate to put a Fila into the hands of Breeze or Dr2Little, even though neither one of them makes it to five feet tall. It's what's on the INSIDE of a person that controls a dog.
PapaB, even a guy your size can't hold a Fila - or a CO, for that matter, by physical strength. They really are that much stronger than we are physically. They are held by the mind and the heart.
R
I agree that broad breed generalizations are dangerous and counterproductive.
However, I do not feel that physical size is an impediment for all people in controlling larger dogs.
I am not a large person. These male puppies will weigh as much as I do when they are mature. Control has much more to do with equipment, training, and mental power than physical stature.
I think SOME people enjoy being seen with a dog who is almost out of control. They feel this is cool and intimidating to people.
I, on the other hand, would rather my dogs be seen flawlessly behaved and obedient walking on thin collars and leashes. They can then wonder what else they are trained to do.
JMO as always.
However, I do not feel that physical size is an impediment for all people in controlling larger dogs.
I am not a large person. These male puppies will weigh as much as I do when they are mature. Control has much more to do with equipment, training, and mental power than physical stature.
I think SOME people enjoy being seen with a dog who is almost out of control. They feel this is cool and intimidating to people.
I, on the other hand, would rather my dogs be seen flawlessly behaved and obedient walking on thin collars and leashes. They can then wonder what else they are trained to do.
JMO as always.
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Renne and red,you are both right.
Conrolling a dog isnt just about size or brute strenth its also about a connection with the dog,one which every serious owner (who genuinely loves his/her dog) should have.
What i should have said is that the woman who bred the CO in that documentry seemed to have used that guy purposely to show just how strong the breed is.
I think she would have done the breed and the programme must more justice had she used somebody with complete control over the dog.
Conrolling a dog isnt just about size or brute strenth its also about a connection with the dog,one which every serious owner (who genuinely loves his/her dog) should have.
What i should have said is that the woman who bred the CO in that documentry seemed to have used that guy purposely to show just how strong the breed is.
I think she would have done the breed and the programme must more justice had she used somebody with complete control over the dog.
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I was hoping someone would say something along these lines. I don't know of any person that is capable of physically holding back a dog with natural instincts to protect. Which is why it is so important to train, to know your dog and his/her instincts, NEVER be caught off guard, and respect your dog for what it is and is capable of doing.
So many people buy a guardian breed because it's "cool". No, it' NOT cool. It's about respecting and appreciating the values that a dog has. It's about having control over a dog and having that dog respect you enough for it to so.
Owning these breeds is not a macho contest. It is not fun and games. It is not a contest for uber coolness. Videos like that, along with media sensationalism, RUIN these very breeds and it makes me sick. God help some macho ******* who thinks he knows it all with a guardian breed who never takes the time to appreciate and train the power at the end of his leash.
So many people buy a guardian breed because it's "cool". No, it' NOT cool. It's about respecting and appreciating the values that a dog has. It's about having control over a dog and having that dog respect you enough for it to so.
Owning these breeds is not a macho contest. It is not fun and games. It is not a contest for uber coolness. Videos like that, along with media sensationalism, RUIN these very breeds and it makes me sick. God help some macho ******* who thinks he knows it all with a guardian breed who never takes the time to appreciate and train the power at the end of his leash.
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LOL,Buddy i hear that.
In a different context to gaurding i rember one time i was talking to my friend in the park,holding Aslan,well a squirrell came out of no where!
Next thing i know im picking myself up off the floor.
As for people getting dogs for the wrong reasons,over here the SBT reputation is in tatters because wanabe thugs are breeding them like rabbitts and using them as weapons.
Its sad and shelters are full of them here.
(sorry to take the thread offtopic there)
In a different context to gaurding i rember one time i was talking to my friend in the park,holding Aslan,well a squirrell came out of no where!
Next thing i know im picking myself up off the floor.
As for people getting dogs for the wrong reasons,over here the SBT reputation is in tatters because wanabe thugs are breeding them like rabbitts and using them as weapons.
Its sad and shelters are full of them here.
(sorry to take the thread offtopic there)
Thanks Renee, it's true about size (at least with regards to THIS)
I handle more large breed reactivity ('aggression') cases than any other trainer/behaviour specialist in my city and many times the dogs have 50 lbs. plus on me. Training has very little to do with size or my 4'9-less than a buck frame wouldn't rate in this industry.
I have to clarify too that at least half, maybe more, of my 'control' cases don't involve large breeds at all. Of all of the serious behavioural cases that I go to, most are with the breeds that no one would ever think would be a problem. THAT'S usually the problem in itself...too many people think that the 'easier breeds' train themselves..
With the breeds that are always spotlighted in the media as 'high risk' or difficult, it's rare that their problems are anything more than owner ignorance, and when it is something serious....well, I don't train with my hands and physical strength anyway...
)I handle more large breed reactivity ('aggression') cases than any other trainer/behaviour specialist in my city and many times the dogs have 50 lbs. plus on me. Training has very little to do with size or my 4'9-less than a buck frame wouldn't rate in this industry.
I have to clarify too that at least half, maybe more, of my 'control' cases don't involve large breeds at all. Of all of the serious behavioural cases that I go to, most are with the breeds that no one would ever think would be a problem. THAT'S usually the problem in itself...too many people think that the 'easier breeds' train themselves..
With the breeds that are always spotlighted in the media as 'high risk' or difficult, it's rare that their problems are anything more than owner ignorance, and when it is something serious....well, I don't train with my hands and physical strength anyway...
