The whole Michael Phelps/Pot thing...
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If we would legalize pot... then what would all the cops do?! They'd be sitting in pairs along the road trying to catch speeders, otherwise they'd have to do real work! 
Disclaimer: I know I am terribly exaggerating and generalizing. And I don't really mean it. I have friends who are cops and I respect the work that they do. But sometimes, just sometimes... I wanna scream at this system and punch it. It's the system.
Disclaimer: I know I am terribly exaggerating and generalizing. And I don't really mean it. I have friends who are cops and I respect the work that they do. But sometimes, just sometimes... I wanna scream at this system and punch it. It's the system.
Actually, there was a study done on mice on the effects of sugar. They found that rats fed sugar and then denied sugar showed signs of withdrawal as well as altered brain chemistry.
If you think the government regulating drugs is helping the problem, then you need to take a good look around. We have spent untold millions on the "war on drugs" and where has it gotten us? Every teenager I know could get just about any drug you ask them for if they were so inclined. We have *thriving* gangs in urban areas that almost completely owe their success to the illegal drug trade.
It comes down to personal responsibility and the right to do what you want with your own body, provided you are not damaging someone or something else in the process.
I don't think that what Phelps did was stupid. He wanted to smoke some pot, so he did--so what? It's his body and his right to do what he pleases with it. The only thing about this situation that is "stupid" is the fact that people are freaking out about it. If the same shot had been taken of Phelps doing shots, nobody would care.
As a side note--I don't have a horse in this race--I'm not a huge Phelps fan and I don't smoke pot nor do I plan to--I just think this is a mountain out of a mole hill situation.
If you think the government regulating drugs is helping the problem, then you need to take a good look around. We have spent untold millions on the "war on drugs" and where has it gotten us? Every teenager I know could get just about any drug you ask them for if they were so inclined. We have *thriving* gangs in urban areas that almost completely owe their success to the illegal drug trade.
It comes down to personal responsibility and the right to do what you want with your own body, provided you are not damaging someone or something else in the process.
I don't think that what Phelps did was stupid. He wanted to smoke some pot, so he did--so what? It's his body and his right to do what he pleases with it. The only thing about this situation that is "stupid" is the fact that people are freaking out about it. If the same shot had been taken of Phelps doing shots, nobody would care.
As a side note--I don't have a horse in this race--I'm not a huge Phelps fan and I don't smoke pot nor do I plan to--I just think this is a mountain out of a mole hill situation.
how else can you have a legal stance against the irresponsible if it is not defined legally?
certainly not when someone loses their life, then it's hardly of importance, but i see the prospect of legalizing a drug that our own government knows very little about, scary.
evening entertainment.
and you believe a tax will prevent irresponsible people from being irresponsible? tell me that alcoholics story again.
i agree. so if phelps didn't want to be humiliated (if he is) he should have been more personally responsible for the photo, right?
ok, i'll concede, "stupid" was probably too harsh. i mean it's not like the guy got a dui or something. have you seen the video of phelps stoned as a young boy? the guy is really making a different sort of history for himself.
tell that to matt leinart.
certainly not when someone loses their life, then it's hardly of importance, but i see the prospect of legalizing a drug that our own government knows very little about, scary.
evening entertainment.
and you believe a tax will prevent irresponsible people from being irresponsible? tell me that alcoholics story again.
i agree. so if phelps didn't want to be humiliated (if he is) he should have been more personally responsible for the photo, right?
ok, i'll concede, "stupid" was probably too harsh. i mean it's not like the guy got a dui or something.
have you seen the video of phelps stoned as a young boy? the guy is really making a different sort of history for himself. tell that to matt leinart.
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Nope. Irresponsible people will be irresponsible, but that's the point. A person who wants drugs, of any kind, can get them with minimal effort now. Obviously, we are not getting a whole lot for all the cash we are throwing towards drug enforcement.
In the mean time, I would prefer all the money spent on the "war on drugs" be put towards better use. Why keep throwing good money after bad?
Gangs love that drugs are illegal--it's how they make their money. Notice you don't see many gangs involved in the sale and trafficking of Vodka. Why? It's legal and therefore easy to get.
Also, I believe he has taken responsibility for the photo....
It's ironic that you are so against legalization, considering if your friend had gotten his pot from a legal source he would have been much less likely to have had the reaction that he did.
In the mean time, I would prefer all the money spent on the "war on drugs" be put towards better use. Why keep throwing good money after bad?
Gangs love that drugs are illegal--it's how they make their money. Notice you don't see many gangs involved in the sale and trafficking of Vodka. Why? It's legal and therefore easy to get.
Also, I believe he has taken responsibility for the photo....
It's ironic that you are so against legalization, considering if your friend had gotten his pot from a legal source he would have been much less likely to have had the reaction that he did.
ya, after he was caught. so noble of him.
the irony is not seeing marijuana is a gateway to harder drugs like pcp.
btw, just a few days ago a van was pulled over for speeding. it was a normal traffic stop until the officer investigated the van. what did he find? unlabeled bottles of "grapo". a home brewed wine that's essentially pure alcohol. so while i like the idea that gangs won't traffic vodka because it's legal, the idea is only a fantasy. where there are addictions, there are gangs profiting from it. legalizing drugs doesn't change that, it only makes it harder to prosecute the irresponsible.
the irony is not seeing marijuana is a gateway to harder drugs like pcp.
btw, just a few days ago a van was pulled over for speeding. it was a normal traffic stop until the officer investigated the van. what did he find? unlabeled bottles of "grapo". a home brewed wine that's essentially pure alcohol. so while i like the idea that gangs won't traffic vodka because it's legal, the idea is only a fantasy. where there are addictions, there are gangs profiting from it. legalizing drugs doesn't change that, it only makes it harder to prosecute the irresponsible.
AHAHAHA oh come on now... Ciggs and alcohol are gateway drugs more than marijuana is. But they are established 'sanctified' deadly addictive substances.
People DO know a lot about marijuana. There have been many studies. I know lots and lots and lots of people who do it recreational.
Most of the issues from using pot is not the pot.. but the things added to the pot.
THC not very harmful. Way less harmful than nicotine or alcohol physically speaking. THC, depending on the study you read, is either not physically addictive at all or only minorly so..
Don't get me started on the whole US War on Drug thing. Go do some research into who is profiting and how much help is actually being done. Go research into Ibrogaine.. The people behind the war on drugs are not actually interested in stopping the drug problem.
I grew up in a marijuana household. BOTH my sisters have learning issues due to their dad's being a daily toker...he also went into other drugs....it was not a fun time in my life and if it had been legal I shudder to think what else might've gone on. Some of his 20-30something stoner friends were creepy, creepy dudes...
I am sorry but I am fine with it being illegal EVERYWHERE but in a controlled hash bar scenario. And just because you don't smoke out at home does not mean it doesn't affect your sperm, your eggs and future kids you may have, as well as your ability to properly supervise and care for those you have. I lived it...and I know it is true.
I am sorry but I am fine with it being illegal EVERYWHERE but in a controlled hash bar scenario. And just because you don't smoke out at home does not mean it doesn't affect your sperm, your eggs and future kids you may have, as well as your ability to properly supervise and care for those you have. I lived it...and I know it is true.
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Marijuana is NOT a gateway drug. Never has been. Never will be. Much safer than alcohol, actually, but no one will ever admit that.
I can't believe how anal the US is about marijuana. It's so STUPID to jail all those people for such a minor thing when the jails are overflowing and REAL criminals should be in there instead.
At HBH: It's definitely harmful if you do it a TON all the time, especially around kids. But so is smoking. So is alcohol. I don't think ANY of it should be done in front of children but that'll never happen.
I can't believe how anal the US is about marijuana. It's so STUPID to jail all those people for such a minor thing when the jails are overflowing and REAL criminals should be in there instead.
At HBH: It's definitely harmful if you do it a TON all the time, especially around kids. But so is smoking. So is alcohol. I don't think ANY of it should be done in front of children but that'll never happen.
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Dekka, I've read recently where the THC is much, much stronger than it used to be, scarily so. And MOST people who toke use tobacco in it to mix with it and then you get addicted to cigarettes.
My ex does it recreationally. Always has. It DEFINITELY affected him when he did it too much - BIG TIME. As for occasionally, whatever. I hate the stuff. Puts me to sleep.
My ex does it recreationally. Always has. It DEFINITELY affected him when he did it too much - BIG TIME. As for occasionally, whatever. I hate the stuff. Puts me to sleep.
But its not. Many many people stop there, many people skip it (I know I did). Alcohol is a much better gateway drug than pot. Almost everyone who goes on to do harder stuff starts with booze.
HBH I am sorry for your experience. But that can be said to be the same with many other addictions. Any addiction taken to its extreme is bad.
I know many many people who do it on weekends and none of them have 'issues'. Many are normal hard working upstanding people who like to toke every now and then.
HBH I am sorry for your experience. But that can be said to be the same with many other addictions. Any addiction taken to its extreme is bad.
I know many many people who do it on weekends and none of them have 'issues'. Many are normal hard working upstanding people who like to toke every now and then.
Exactly.
My dad is/was an alcoholic. That is what ended my parent's marriage. He refused to hold a job, forcing my mom to support us all on a teacher's salary. If he did have a job and earn some commission he would lie to mom about it and go out and party with it. He become a very angry person. I was afraid of him as a small child. He cheated on my mom--one of his crazy girlfriends caused my mom to change her number because she was calling threatening us. My mom said she finally could no longer take it because he would just pass out wherever and I was getting old enough to ask her why daddy was "sleeping" on the living room floor.
He has gotten in car accidents due to his drinking. Now he is a functional enough alcoholic that he can make it home from the bar OK, but it is a constant fear of mine that he will get in a wreck and hurt himself or worse, some innocent person.
As a teenager when I would stay with him I remember him being so drunk when he would come home that he wouldn't always realize which bed he was getting into. If he took me to school I was always late because it was very difficult to wake him after he'd been drinking.
Alcoholism does have an effect on DNA as well. It runs in families. My dad's dad was an alcoholic. My dad's mom had a very addictive personality, and was known to mix pills and vodka.
It has been documented that not only to the children of alcoholics have addiction issues but also seem to be more likely to have eating disorders.
As bad as he was though, he was nothing like my best friend in school's parents. Both of them were alcoholics and her mom worked in a bar. When they were little they would just bring the kids to the bar with them and leave them out in the van by themselves for hours. When she was 9 or 10 she would come to spend the night at my house and sometimes her 7 year old brother would call crying because it was night time and his parents had left him alone and he was scared.
My dad is/was an alcoholic. That is what ended my parent's marriage. He refused to hold a job, forcing my mom to support us all on a teacher's salary. If he did have a job and earn some commission he would lie to mom about it and go out and party with it. He become a very angry person. I was afraid of him as a small child. He cheated on my mom--one of his crazy girlfriends caused my mom to change her number because she was calling threatening us. My mom said she finally could no longer take it because he would just pass out wherever and I was getting old enough to ask her why daddy was "sleeping" on the living room floor.
He has gotten in car accidents due to his drinking. Now he is a functional enough alcoholic that he can make it home from the bar OK, but it is a constant fear of mine that he will get in a wreck and hurt himself or worse, some innocent person.
As a teenager when I would stay with him I remember him being so drunk when he would come home that he wouldn't always realize which bed he was getting into. If he took me to school I was always late because it was very difficult to wake him after he'd been drinking.
Alcoholism does have an effect on DNA as well. It runs in families. My dad's dad was an alcoholic. My dad's mom had a very addictive personality, and was known to mix pills and vodka.
It has been documented that not only to the children of alcoholics have addiction issues but also seem to be more likely to have eating disorders.
As bad as he was though, he was nothing like my best friend in school's parents. Both of them were alcoholics and her mom worked in a bar. When they were little they would just bring the kids to the bar with them and leave them out in the van by themselves for hours. When she was 9 or 10 she would come to spend the night at my house and sometimes her 7 year old brother would call crying because it was night time and his parents had left him alone and he was scared.
I am also one that believes pot should be legal.
I have never in my life seen someone smoke a joint and then beat their wife/kids. Never seen them get high and pick a bar fight (or a fight anywhere), never heard of a 911 call saying "OMG.......he's hopped up on MJ and out of control, come quick"
I don't believe pot is a gateway drug either. I don't believe there IS such a thing as a gateway drug. Period. I would like to know what all these "gateway" sayers are basing this on. Is it because they *think* pot is the first drug people try? If that is the reason, then you are ACTUALLY saying CIGARETTES AND ALCOHOL are the gateway drugs. That cigarette and beer you might have been talked into trying at the party when you were 15............you see you didn't die on the spot, nothing horrific happened like your parents and teachers claimed so you can move forward to the next stage IF that is what you want to do.........not everyone is so inclined.
There are just different types of people. There are people who can't have one or two beers to unwind, they must drink the whole case before they are happy. There are people who are always looking for more more more or better better better. I don't think they are in the majority..........most of us can function just fine in our everyday lives and have a glass of wine in the evening leaving the rest of the bottle for another day.
IDK.......JMO of course.
Oh HBH, that is a horrible way to grow up It's one thing being exposed to your father (or step father) but quite another for him to drag all types of freaks into the house as well *shudder*
I have to wonder about your sisters' learning disabilities though..........are you sure their fathers weren't using something besides MJ? Or even something like acid or similar that stays in their system for life? I say that because I have lived life "in the fast lane" around lots of different types of drinkers and drug users in my younger days.
I have seen the effects of alcohol, coke, lcd, various prescription drugs, and pot on LOTS of people. I have watched PREGNANT woman toke up, woman who were impregnated and lived with some of the biggest stoners you ever want to meet and none of them, not a single one, gave birth to a child with any ill effects of MJ.
I have never in my life seen someone smoke a joint and then beat their wife/kids. Never seen them get high and pick a bar fight (or a fight anywhere), never heard of a 911 call saying "OMG.......he's hopped up on MJ and out of control, come quick"
I don't believe pot is a gateway drug either. I don't believe there IS such a thing as a gateway drug. Period. I would like to know what all these "gateway" sayers are basing this on. Is it because they *think* pot is the first drug people try? If that is the reason, then you are ACTUALLY saying CIGARETTES AND ALCOHOL are the gateway drugs. That cigarette and beer you might have been talked into trying at the party when you were 15............you see you didn't die on the spot, nothing horrific happened like your parents and teachers claimed so you can move forward to the next stage IF that is what you want to do.........not everyone is so inclined.
There are just different types of people. There are people who can't have one or two beers to unwind, they must drink the whole case before they are happy. There are people who are always looking for more more more or better better better. I don't think they are in the majority..........most of us can function just fine in our everyday lives and have a glass of wine in the evening leaving the rest of the bottle for another day.
IDK.......JMO of course.
Oh HBH, that is a horrible way to grow up
It's one thing being exposed to your father (or step father) but quite another for him to drag all types of freaks into the house as well *shudder*I have to wonder about your sisters' learning disabilities though..........are you sure their fathers weren't using something besides MJ? Or even something like acid or similar that stays in their system for life? I say that because I have lived life "in the fast lane" around lots of different types of drinkers and drug users in my younger days.
I have seen the effects of alcohol, coke, lcd, various prescription drugs, and pot on LOTS of people. I have watched PREGNANT woman toke up, woman who were impregnated and lived with some of the biggest stoners you ever want to meet and none of them, not a single one, gave birth to a child with any ill effects of MJ.