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**** this government system that punishes the working poor, takes our money and gives it exclusively to people who didn't use proper contraceptives and are reproducing when they can't afford to.
I know you're venting, but my vent is that social programs make up a small amount of the federal budget and this stereotype is actually pretty harmful.
 
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I finally, finally, FINALLY get a vehicle and then find out it needs a $400 repair. Then we get hit with this freak winter storm that Knoxville isn't really equipped to handle. My work has a policy that pretty much says flood/fire/apocalypse are not relevant, "you're scheduled to work when you're scheduled to work." I called out yesterday because I can't jeopardize something happening to the only reliably running vehicle, my roommate's at that. My entire apartment parking lot is an ice rink and I'm too nervous to call out today due to racking up another "occurrence" (I only have 1 out of 6) and the fact that I'm worried about financial ramifications if I don't go in. I'm over this week and it's only Wednesday.
 

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My roommate just called, he was on his way back from school and my car broke down on the highway.

I told him he could use it this week because his monte carlo needs a new battery and he, like me, has almost no money until next week.

I think my engine is burnt up. My car is on the highway and I have five ****ing dollars and can't get a tow.

Like please, I'd love it if **** got worse and worse right now.
 

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Ugh. That really sucks. I can tell you if I didn't have the support of my SO and my old man I'm honestly not sure how I would have gotten through school. The times I tried to on my own just did not work out well for me.

Would going down to 1/class a semester be better for you stress/emotional wise? Obviously everyone likes an increase in $, but the biggest factor I think would be your stress levels. My first go-round didn't end well Bc I loaded too much on myself.
Well, I would be paying half of what I am right now since the course load would be split. Possibly less if I had a class that was covered. I would be working a normal shift, which I think I would like a lot after being on weird shifts for so long. I really think my stress level would stay about the same, probably going down a bit.

Even if I don't get a new job it will all work out. I am just venting. Lol. Thankfully DH is really supportive as well, otherwise this would never work.
 

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I know you're venting, but my vent is that social programs make up a small amount of the federal budget and this stereotype is actually pretty harmful.
I think some people live in another world that don't see this stuff. I don't care how much of the "budget" it takes up.

Its like talking to my fil about husbands coworker who got more back in taxes than he made in a year because all of his kids. He referred to them as his meal tickets. He said no way! Well same thing with one of my friends so she showed him her taxes to shut him up finally. And my friend needs the help. Her husband is working to jobs, one is as a police officer sad as that is part time in small town risking his life!

Not all that rare. I see and hear it daily. Sit in a place that does taxes or do them for a year for h&r block.

On the same line I am still upset that I pay so much for ins and am continuing to get bills left and right. Have four thousand dollar deductible. Or I could have choose the plan that was almost my entire check twice a month. But that's progress right? Yet people come in and tell social worker they need a five bedroom house, garage, and they will not look for a job. Give me a break. I don't go to dr unless I am dying.

There are people out there that need assistance. Obviously. They are physically or mentally ill or just struggling to get out. There are also a large amount of people abusing the system. They don't like that out there. Here our food stamps were being used to buy drugs from a local bodega for years but took a long time to bust because it looks bad for everyone, especially the govermentnt and it was never made into a big deal and actually never counted as fraud!! How is that??! So there are not big fraud numbers out there. But from experience this year I can think of multiple cases here!! Two separate pharmacies involved to.
 

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I'm frustrated and it isn't even fair that I'm frustrated, because he's doing the best he can. But *sigh*
 

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I think some people live in another world that don't see this stuff. I don't care how much of the "budget" it takes up.

Its like talking to my fil about husbands coworker who got more back in taxes than he made in a year because all of his kids. He referred to them as his meal tickets. He said no way! Well same thing with one of my friends so she showed him her taxes to shut him up finally. And my friend needs the help. Her husband is working to jobs, one is as a police officer sad as that is part time in small town risking his life!

Not all that rare. I see and hear it daily. Sit in a place that does taxes or do them for a year for h&r block.

On the same line I am still upset that I pay so much for ins and am continuing to get bills left and right. Have four thousand dollar deductible. Or I could have choose the plan that was almost my entire check twice a month. But that's progress right? Yet people come in and tell social worker they need a five bedroom house, garage, and they will not look for a job. Give me a break. I don't go to dr unless I am dying.

There are people out there that need assistance. Obviously. They are physically or mentally ill or just struggling to get out. There are also a large amount of people abusing the system. They don't like that out there. Here our food stamps were being used to buy drugs from a local bodega for years but took a long time to bust because it looks bad for everyone, especially the govermentnt and it was never made into a big deal and actually never counted as fraud!! How is that??! So there are not big fraud numbers out there. But from experience this year I can think of multiple cases here!! Two separate pharmacies involved to.
Its the same here, MASSIVE massive abuse of the system here, something clearly needs to be tweaked, or something to keep leeches from taking advantage. I dont know how they should do it, or what is the best way TO do it, but something clearly needs to be done.

Oh and government healthcare? Yeah it would be great ... if they didnt tax the **** out of you because you didnt choose to have healthcare!
 

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I think some people live in another world that don't see this stuff. I don't care how much of the "budget" it takes up.

Its like talking to my fil about husbands coworker who got more back in taxes than he made in a year because all of his kids. He referred to them as his meal tickets. He said no way! Well same thing with one of my friends so she showed him her taxes to shut him up finally. And my friend needs the help. Her husband is working to jobs, one is as a police officer sad as that is part time in small town risking his life!

Not all that rare. I see and hear it daily. Sit in a place that does taxes or do them for a year for h&r block.

On the same line I am still upset that I pay so much for ins and am continuing to get bills left and right. Have four thousand dollar deductible. Or I could have choose the plan that was almost my entire check twice a month. But that's progress right? Yet people come in and tell social worker they need a five bedroom house, garage, and they will not look for a job. Give me a break. I don't go to dr unless I am dying.

There are people out there that need assistance. Obviously. They are physically or mentally ill or just struggling to get out. There are also a large amount of people abusing the system. They don't like that out there. Here our food stamps were being used to buy drugs from a local bodega for years but took a long time to bust because it looks bad for everyone, especially the govermentnt and it was never made into a big deal and actually never counted as fraud!! How is that??! So there are not big fraud numbers out there. But from experience this year I can think of multiple cases here!! Two separate pharmacies involved to.
It wouldn't be so necessary for families with children to receive EIC on their taxes if people just got paid a living wage. I'm a single mom with two children whose deadbeat dad chooses not to pay child support. I work a full time job and a part time job.

Even with all that there's no freaking way I can afford to pay for a 2 bedroom apartment and childcare, and still afford food. So I live with my parents, saving up until I can buy a house. If it wasn't for EIC there's no way I'd be able to dig myself out of this hole before the kids graduate high school.

Not everyone has the luxury of family support either. One of my really good friends from church is a single mom with 5 kids. She and her husband were fine, both high school teachers with comfortable salaries. Then she got laid off. Then her husband got fired because the school discovered he was sexually abusing students. And she found out he was sexually abusing their children.

So he's long gone, but now she's struggling to keep everyone fed, clothed, and sheltered. The kids are their "mealticket", in that they wouldn't HAVE meals if it wasn't for EIC. She told me that she basically stretches every cent from her tax return to make their mortgage payments and pay for necessities for her kids.

It is such a minuscule part of the budget, everyone really ought to be pissed at the handful of billionaires not paying their share of taxes while inflating their bank accounts off the backs of the millions of people (with and without children) working multiple jobs in a struggle to make ends meet on a wage far below the expense of living.
 

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Its the same here, MASSIVE massive abuse of the system here, something clearly needs to be tweaked, or something to keep leeches from taking advantage. I dont know how they should do it, or what is the best way TO do it, but something clearly needs to be done.
People ALWAYS say this, but WHO is abusing the system? Are you making assumptions about people's lifestyles and spending habits, or do you actually KNOW they are abusing the system?

Because if you actually know someone doing it, like KNOW their name and what they are doing, please freaking report them to the authorities and don't just complain on the internet about it. If people KNOW there is abuse of the system going on and don't report it, then clearly nothing will be done.

If you suspect it, but don't have any proof then mind your own business because really it's not your business. Period.

Maybe it's regional or something, but in WA state they will slam your butt into prison for that sort of thing and require you to pay everything back. We had a parent of a preschool student who defrauded the state for over $30,000 in cash benefits, and food stamps on top of that. She had to pay it ALL back, and she went to jail.
 

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I get home, drive it, hear it and bring it to my mechanic. Hub bearing. Plus I'm expecting a propane delivery this week. There goes my tax refund.
 
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Yes, people like to talk about the massive abuse...yet when its actually looked at and investigated, its VERY low.

Do some people trade food stamps for drugs...I'm sure. But honestly, guess what....they dont get MORE food stamps when they are out, its actually not costing tax payers more on them. Children do NOT save you money...the amount of money you get for children for help, for deductions, etc comes nowhere near the amount it takes to actually keep them alive.....

People judge and have no idea what is actually happening

http://www.upworthy.com/whats-the-f...n-you-see-a-welfare-recipient-on-a-cell-phone
 

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People ALWAYS say this, but WHO is abusing the system? Are you making assumptions about people's lifestyles and spending habits, or do you actually KNOW they are abusing the system?

Because if you actually know someone doing it, like KNOW their name and what they are doing, please freaking report them to the authorities and don't just complain on the internet about it. If people KNOW there is abuse of the system going on and don't report it, then clearly nothing will be done.

If you suspect it, but don't have any proof then mind your own business because really it's not your business. Period.

Maybe it's regional or something, but in WA state they will slam your butt into prison for that sort of thing and require you to pay everything back. We had a parent of a preschool student who defrauded the state for over $30,000 in cash benefits, and food stamps on top of that. She had to pay it ALL back, and she went to jail.
Meh. I have a family member who I consider to be abusing the system, and I have called and been told that everything she's doing is legit. She's receiving money for each of her 3 children and receiving disability income for "obesity related health complications" (her words). She has never had a job in her entire life and she is 44 years old.

When it really comes down to it though, I believe that a VAST majority of people who are on assistance are on it because they need it.
 
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People ALWAYS say this, but WHO is abusing the system? Are you making assumptions about people's lifestyles and spending habits, or do you actually KNOW they are abusing the system?

Because if you actually know someone doing it, like KNOW their name and what they are doing, please freaking report them to the authorities and don't just complain on the internet about it. If people KNOW there is abuse of the system going on and don't report it, then clearly nothing will be done.

If you suspect it, but don't have any proof then mind your own business because really it's not your business. Period.

Maybe it's regional or something, but in WA state they will slam your butt into prison for that sort of thing and require you to pay everything back. We had a parent of a preschool student who defrauded the state for over $30,000 in cash benefits, and food stamps on top of that. She had to pay it ALL back, and she went to jail.
There is a lot of fraud here. I've posted about the food stamps and synthetic drugs being bought with them before but turns out it will never be in the records as fraud. Owner of the bodega opened up and new store and did same thing but they filed under different charges. Again with the rx benefits and the drug stores and fraud it never went in the system as fraud. Huge case here the guy was billing but selling pills etc. all the pain drs etc. I know it's rampant in ohio. Our drug problem is crazy here though to. It might not be so bad other places.

Even the people who do abuse it I do think many need help. But it's a hard system to fix.

I agree some about pay. But then again prices will go up and why did I go to school to make what someone flipping burgers does? I still lived with my mom forever to save!

And this is not people trading food stamps for drugs. It's using their cards and getting drugs! It's using their caresource card for Percocet they are not prescribed. And you should be outraged. And if it was on the records there was this much abuse the system would be gone.

I take it back. One got charged with fraud. Don't think she was convicted?Bit not all of the customers. Which I heard from one if the officers was a lot!! Why was each individual not charged? Bodega owner did this a second time to!

http://chronicle.northcoastnow.com/2014/07/02/elyria-cake-shop-owner-indicted/
 
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It wouldn't be so necessary for families with children to receive EIC on their taxes if people just got paid a living wage. I'm a single mom with two children whose deadbeat dad chooses not to pay child support. I work a full time job and a part time job.

Even with all that there's no freaking way I can afford to pay for a 2 bedroom apartment and childcare, and still afford food. So I live with my parents, saving up until I can buy a house. If it wasn't for EIC there's no way I'd be able to dig myself out of this hole before the kids graduate high school.

Not everyone has the luxury of family support either. One of my really good friends from church is a single mom with 5 kids. She and her husband were fine, both high school teachers with comfortable salaries. Then she got laid off. Then her husband got fired because the school discovered he was sexually abusing students. And she found out he was sexually abusing their children.

So he's long gone, but now she's struggling to keep everyone fed, clothed, and sheltered. The kids are their "mealticket", in that they wouldn't HAVE meals if it wasn't for EIC. She told me that she basically stretches every cent from her tax return to make their mortgage payments and pay for necessities for her kids.

It is such a minuscule part of the budget, everyone really ought to be pissed at the handful of billionaires not paying their share of taxes while inflating their bank accounts off the backs of the millions of people (with and without children) working multiple jobs in a struggle to make ends meet on a wage far below the expense of living.
The difference is your friend did not have these kids purely to get more money. There literally are people out there like this. I meet them daily. Met my first one in college and it was a huge wake up call. She was mad she wasted a couple dollars on a pregnancy test that was negative. I said isn't it good it's negative? Nope. Meant she wouldn't get more back on taxes that next year and wouldn't be put on caresource and she could have opted out of school and kept so much of the money. My jaw hit the floor.

I wish people could sit like a fly on the wall at work.

Yet I have seen the government go after people on disability not abusing it and make them jump through hoops. Or they have savings and have to get rid of it etc etc. do not like the system
 

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The difference is your friend did not have these kids purely to get more money. There literally are people out there like this. I meet them daily. Met my first one in college and it was a huge wake up call. She was mad she wasted a couple dollars on a pregnancy test that was negative. I said isn't it good it's negative? Nope. Meant she wouldn't get more back on taxes that next year and wouldn't be put on caresource and she could have opted out of school and kept so much of the money. My jaw hit the floor.

I wish people could sit like a fly on the wall at work.

Yet I have seen the government go after people on disability not abusing it and make them jump through hoops. Or they have savings and have to get rid of it etc etc. do not like the system
It is messed up. You'd think the feds at least would be really interested in shop owners illegally dealing prescription drugs. I'm sorry that you have to deal with that sort of thing where you live.

And I agree about the stupid limits on savings. My clients are not allowed to have over $2000 in cash assets or they lose their health insurance and staffing hours. If I allow them to accumulate that much money, then I can go to jail for financial mismanagement and have to have a spend down plan in place. But that just punishes them for managing their finances well and being thrifty. These are people on social security so tiny fixed incomes. What if they wanted to save up several years and go to Hawaii for once in their life? It's crap.
 

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It is messed up. You'd think the feds at least would be really interested in shop owners illegally dealing prescription drugs. I'm sorry that you have to deal with that sort of thing where you live.

And I agree about the stupid limits on savings. My clients are not allowed to have over $2000 in cash assets or they lose their health insurance and staffing hours. If I allow them to accumulate that much money, then I can go to jail for financial mismanagement and have to have a spend down plan in place. But that just punishes them for managing their finances well and being thrifty. These are people on social security so tiny fixed incomes. What if they wanted to save up several years and go to Hawaii for once in their life? It's crap.
The savings thing kills me. There are people with savings who are injured etc and need help and why can't they keep a back up and get their measly money?!

Here is one article from two pharmacies
http://chronicle.northcoastnow.com/2013/07/10/pharmacist-nothing-illegal-at-business/

I did not believe patients telling me they could buy drugs no script at these places and now I believe when they tell me this about other places. It happens at grocery stores, bakeries, gas stations, all kinds of places you wonder how they stay in business.

Our area is horrible with drugs and overdoses. Supposedly one if the highest in the country. Maybe if they would go after more that would change. People addicted do anything for drugs.
 

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