I'm also curious about the breeds whose purpose has become obsolete (or illegal), to the point where the breed has been transformed into a breed that has little to no chance of even doing its original jab.... how many people hunt birds with nets anymore? Should English Setter people be out catching birds with nets?
The show dogs that impressed you the most
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I'm also curious about the breeds whose purpose has become obsolete (or illegal), to the point where the breed has been transformed into a breed that has little to no chance of even doing its original jab.... how many people hunt birds with nets anymore? Should English Setter people be out catching birds with nets?
My mom used to show keeshonden, and so i've always grown up with those guys, and think they're beautiful dogs.
However, I saw a show and watched this samoyed literally float around the ring. His head was stunning. Gorgeous coat. Movement like water. And right then I fell in love with the samoyed.
I did some research, and found that they were more versatile then the keesies, and then I realized that these dogs were a breed I could really live with.
Of course, my mom will be forever stuck on her keesies and thinks that sammies are too big and boisterous, but I'm totally sold on them.
I can't wait until i get my own puppy.
However, I saw a show and watched this samoyed literally float around the ring. His head was stunning. Gorgeous coat. Movement like water. And right then I fell in love with the samoyed.
I did some research, and found that they were more versatile then the keesies, and then I realized that these dogs were a breed I could really live with.
Of course, my mom will be forever stuck on her keesies and thinks that sammies are too big and boisterous, but I'm totally sold on them.
I can't wait until i get my own puppy.
And what exactly to you expect people with companion breed to do? How are we supposed to prove for excellence? This sort of snotty attitude against showing really gets my goat! 
We all know that you think our dogs are inferior to yours because they are just "decorations". My dog is a wonderful example of his breed and does what he was bred to do, be my best friend and be very very happy doing it.
Anyway, the show dog that most impressed me.
Again, totally biased! LOL!
We all know that you think our dogs are inferior to yours because they are just "decorations". My dog is a wonderful example of his breed and does what he was bred to do, be my best friend and be very very happy doing it.
Anyway, the show dog that most impressed me.
Again, totally biased! LOL!
As much as I hate what the ring can do to a working breed, when the breeders ignore the job the dogs were meant for... Not all do, and good on them, but many do...
However, with companion breeds... I have always wondered that myself about the bolded part above......???
ETA... LOL should have read the whole thread, Ado summed up how I feel pretty well...
You are absolutely and totally correct that there are breeds where the show ring version is completely different than the original or working version, and there are breeds where that division doesn't totally exist yet but is definitely growing, like a chasm opening up between the two types (like shelties.)
And yeah, it would take a lot of work to get a breed back to where it used to be and AWAY from ring trends that have damaged breeds. GSDs are going through that right now, though. Do I think it's worth going through all that work? Yup, absolutely and ESPECIALLY when it comes to working breeds. It IS an idea of form following function, not form following whatever the ring trend happens to be. Since shelties are "my breed" I will say the most annoying thing in the world is watching show shelties with terrible movement. Movement is supposed to be part of the dog and part of the standard, and it is far too often that I don't see correct movement. It makes me furious, actually, because proper sheltie movement is beautiful. Auggie has people - just Average Joes, not even sheltie people or herding breed people or whatever - commenting ALL THE TIME on his movement, and he's not even a show dog. He just moves the way a sheltie should, and it's striking to them because they do not see it often if at all.
We had a discussion on here a while back about what would happen if working bred BCs walked into a confo ring. Laughed out? Maybe. But I would still really, really like to see it. And why the heck not? That's what a border collie should be. Shelties are the same way. Why pull out and just leave the show ring to the floofy, tubby waddling imitations of wonderful, beautiful WORKING shelties? Then you're rolling over and allowing the breed to be dominated by the very thing that is the problem. Taking your ball and going home isn't the answer 99% of the time. Fighting for what's correct is.
No, there probably isn't enough flexibility in the standard to allow for more correct/less ring-trendy dogs to be allowed in the ring. That's a problem and one I think should be fixed. As to how things would be recieved in the show world... that's more of a public opinion kind of problem than problems with KCs or specific breeds, I think. I also think as long as you have breeders who care about nothing but breeding to a ring trend just so they can win in the confo ring and they care about nothing else, you will have a problem. But stupid people will always exist and I have never been a believer in pandering to the lowest common denominator.
I don't know what the answer is but I don't think giving up on having everything is. And for breeds that have gotten off track or are going on track, I think we need more people determined to not give up before any good is going to come of it.
For breeds where their purpose is companionship or breeds where their original function is no longer something they can do - no, it's not like you can make a dog that originally was supposed to bring down a bull go bring one down before you go "Okay, he's good and worthy of being bred!" There's a lot more than goes into it. But it's the same for me with herding breeds. Of course I don't insist on a) herding ability and b) conformation. Overall temperament and health also go into the measure of a dog. So I think there's still a lot to be examined and strive for in a breed where they can no longer perform their original function, or where the original function is to be a wonderful companion dog.
I'm just rambling, LOL. I have a lot of thoughts on this and there are a lot of problems in many breeds. It's an uphill battle for most. I think what Red really means (and the bottom line of what I mean, anyway) is that you can't just only look at one aspect... no matter WHAT that aspect is. You should be breeding for the total package at all times. There are lots and lots of things that go into that and it's different for different breeds.
That's just how I feel. I recognize that I am lucky enough to love a breed where you can still find dogs that live on a farm and herd during the day, and can also go win in the show ring on the weekend... and that not all breeds are so lucky. But I also fear that my breed, like others have in the past, will too divide. I see no reason for a division. We CAN have it all!! So why shouldn't we WANT to have it all?
(more rambling la la laaaaa ending post now before it gets any longer)
And yeah, it would take a lot of work to get a breed back to where it used to be and AWAY from ring trends that have damaged breeds. GSDs are going through that right now, though. Do I think it's worth going through all that work? Yup, absolutely and ESPECIALLY when it comes to working breeds. It IS an idea of form following function, not form following whatever the ring trend happens to be. Since shelties are "my breed" I will say the most annoying thing in the world is watching show shelties with terrible movement. Movement is supposed to be part of the dog and part of the standard, and it is far too often that I don't see correct movement. It makes me furious, actually, because proper sheltie movement is beautiful. Auggie has people - just Average Joes, not even sheltie people or herding breed people or whatever - commenting ALL THE TIME on his movement, and he's not even a show dog. He just moves the way a sheltie should, and it's striking to them because they do not see it often if at all.
We had a discussion on here a while back about what would happen if working bred BCs walked into a confo ring. Laughed out? Maybe. But I would still really, really like to see it. And why the heck not? That's what a border collie should be. Shelties are the same way. Why pull out and just leave the show ring to the floofy, tubby waddling imitations of wonderful, beautiful WORKING shelties? Then you're rolling over and allowing the breed to be dominated by the very thing that is the problem. Taking your ball and going home isn't the answer 99% of the time. Fighting for what's correct is.
No, there probably isn't enough flexibility in the standard to allow for more correct/less ring-trendy dogs to be allowed in the ring. That's a problem and one I think should be fixed. As to how things would be recieved in the show world... that's more of a public opinion kind of problem than problems with KCs or specific breeds, I think. I also think as long as you have breeders who care about nothing but breeding to a ring trend just so they can win in the confo ring and they care about nothing else, you will have a problem. But stupid people will always exist and I have never been a believer in pandering to the lowest common denominator.
I don't know what the answer is but I don't think giving up on having everything is. And for breeds that have gotten off track or are going on track, I think we need more people determined to not give up before any good is going to come of it.
For breeds where their purpose is companionship or breeds where their original function is no longer something they can do - no, it's not like you can make a dog that originally was supposed to bring down a bull go bring one down before you go "Okay, he's good and worthy of being bred!" There's a lot more than goes into it. But it's the same for me with herding breeds. Of course I don't insist on a) herding ability and b) conformation. Overall temperament and health also go into the measure of a dog. So I think there's still a lot to be examined and strive for in a breed where they can no longer perform their original function, or where the original function is to be a wonderful companion dog.
I'm just rambling, LOL. I have a lot of thoughts on this and there are a lot of problems in many breeds. It's an uphill battle for most. I think what Red really means (and the bottom line of what I mean, anyway) is that you can't just only look at one aspect... no matter WHAT that aspect is. You should be breeding for the total package at all times. There are lots and lots of things that go into that and it's different for different breeds.
That's just how I feel. I recognize that I am lucky enough to love a breed where you can still find dogs that live on a farm and herd during the day, and can also go win in the show ring on the weekend... and that not all breeds are so lucky. But I also fear that my breed, like others have in the past, will too divide. I see no reason for a division. We CAN have it all!! So why shouldn't we WANT to have it all?
(more rambling la la laaaaa ending post now before it gets any longer)
Why must this always turn into working versus show. She asked what show dogs impressed you. If you don't like show dogs, why respond and turn the thread blowing in another direction?
Favorite UKC American Pit Bull Terrier, Trinity.
GR CH Trinity
Just beautiful!!!
Favorite UKC American Pit Bull Terrier, Trinity.
GR CH Trinity
Just beautiful!!!
Ya know, I might as well answer the question.
Probably my favorite Doberman of all time... Ch. Dictator V Glenhugel.
Probably a close second... Ch. Teraden's The Chocolate Soldier...
Ch. BJF The Phantom Tollbooth CD UCD ROM, a dog that I've recently become VERY interested in...
And of course, my favorite show dog for purely personal reasons...
Probably my favorite Doberman of all time... Ch. Dictator V Glenhugel.
Probably a close second... Ch. Teraden's The Chocolate Soldier...
Ch. BJF The Phantom Tollbooth CD UCD ROM, a dog that I've recently become VERY interested in...
And of course, my favorite show dog for purely personal reasons...
*is jealous that Romy knows Cooper*
I've been really impressed by Coburn's Tia Maria
Unfortunately, I can't find a good stacked picture of her, but she is drop-dead gorgeous.
I've been really impressed by Coburn's Tia Maria
Unfortunately, I can't find a good stacked picture of her, but she is drop-dead gorgeous.
Wooo, she's a good looking girl. I haven't met her in person yet. Seeing them run is the best.
Kirby
this picture doesn't do him justice AT ALL. he was the westminster 1999 winner, he was bouncy and happy and just had a confident "IM GONNA WIN THIS" strut!
he just made me smile and clap out loud when he won!
this picture doesn't do him justice AT ALL. he was the westminster 1999 winner, he was bouncy and happy and just had a confident "IM GONNA WIN THIS" strut!
he just made me smile and clap out loud when he won!
Imo his story doesn't show the best of the show world at all, and his win had some bad consequences. After his win, papillons doubled in popularity and that was the start of them becoming another 'puppy mill breed'. No one had heard of them before he won. He himself was a fantastic dog though. His son, Nemo, was great too, but no other could match up to Kirby. I was so sad when he passed away. He was still winning a year earlier as a veteran and taking everything over the younger dogs. We won't have another him.