i also think that more advantage needs to be taken of all of the natural cures available. With new technologies, we have already discovered many plants and berries in the amazon that kill cancer cells in test tubes and stuff. Why havent further studies been done??? Well, for one thing, it is so hard to get funding since the FDA hates homeopathic stuff cause it generates 0 money for them. We live in a world where our gov't is knowingly slowly poisoning us in order to make us sick, so we have to buy expensive drugs, some of which have a horrifyingly low success rate, and cause other side effects that need to be treated, etc etc, generating billions for drug companies and the FDA who supports them.
The Cure for Cancer
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I'm not talking about them being the same thing, or even that viruses are THE cause of cancer, like I said before as with anything, i doubt its one factor that allows cancer to take over their body, cause we all have the cells produced and killed everyday and most of us will never die from cancer.
Eating well and exercising are far more impt than just for heart health, I guess you missed it where all of our systems in our body respond positively to exercise and eating well. The Journal of Applied Physiology had an article on how exercise (which would have happened normally in life until western civilization took over) induces normal expression of genes. How is eating like crap affecting your insulin resistance?? or how exercise effects your glycemic index and puts everything back into a state of homeostasis. Or how it affects the immune system that kills those cancer cells you produce everyday? You're skipping some big points here.
as to why cancer isn't a bigger problem?? I don't know, chalk it up to the resiliancy of the human body. People call cigarettes and coffee breakfast, but if you fed that to your dog it would die in a short time. Some people are better at adapting than others. Some can adapt for a long time, some not so long. There are other things as well. This could get really indepth. There are window in our development, that if not properly stimulated or nurished thru nutrition can have lasting effects that aren't seen for years or decades. So exactly when something happens, is very hard to tell. But I hardly know a family that hasn't been affected by cancer, so its not like its rare.
I think you're on to something with what the cows eat. Same thing for milk. I don't need a study to tell me that milk from a free ranging cow eating grasses and such is better for me than milk from a steroid injected, antibiotic filled animal that is fed diseased animal parts and corn. But getting a study to show that in the first place, that where your milk comes can equal better health is almost impossible because, as said before there are so many aspects to health, but one thing we have control over is the choices we make. McD's for breakfast and lunch everyday or organic meats, fresh fruits and veggies. Sit on your butt all day, or move and stimulate your body in to being better and more effecient, have a stress filled life so you can show off to your neighbors or take time out and just enjoy life.
I"m not trying to defend everything this guy said, in fact I think he's jumped to a lot of conclusions, but at the same time a lot of people need to be exposed to some different lines of thinking than the ones put forth by our society. Someone brought up the food pyramid and how they jammed that down our throats for so long. You know who had a big part in making that don't you, grain and dairy lobbies. The same goes for health care. Who do you think is promoting most of this stuff, against alternatives??? Big Pharma. Living a life that you chose not to pollute your body, get off your butt and move to stimulate life, and keeping your mind from being polluted cost you nothing and therefore they can make nothing. ITs all about promoting disease and if you get one is cause of bad luck, bad germs and bad genes. Its another way of taking personal responsibility and filling that void with their drugs.
Eating well and exercising are far more impt than just for heart health, I guess you missed it where all of our systems in our body respond positively to exercise and eating well. The Journal of Applied Physiology had an article on how exercise (which would have happened normally in life until western civilization took over) induces normal expression of genes. How is eating like crap affecting your insulin resistance?? or how exercise effects your glycemic index and puts everything back into a state of homeostasis. Or how it affects the immune system that kills those cancer cells you produce everyday? You're skipping some big points here.
as to why cancer isn't a bigger problem?? I don't know, chalk it up to the resiliancy of the human body. People call cigarettes and coffee breakfast, but if you fed that to your dog it would die in a short time. Some people are better at adapting than others. Some can adapt for a long time, some not so long. There are other things as well. This could get really indepth. There are window in our development, that if not properly stimulated or nurished thru nutrition can have lasting effects that aren't seen for years or decades. So exactly when something happens, is very hard to tell. But I hardly know a family that hasn't been affected by cancer, so its not like its rare.
I think you're on to something with what the cows eat. Same thing for milk. I don't need a study to tell me that milk from a free ranging cow eating grasses and such is better for me than milk from a steroid injected, antibiotic filled animal that is fed diseased animal parts and corn. But getting a study to show that in the first place, that where your milk comes can equal better health is almost impossible because, as said before there are so many aspects to health, but one thing we have control over is the choices we make. McD's for breakfast and lunch everyday or organic meats, fresh fruits and veggies. Sit on your butt all day, or move and stimulate your body in to being better and more effecient, have a stress filled life so you can show off to your neighbors or take time out and just enjoy life.
I"m not trying to defend everything this guy said, in fact I think he's jumped to a lot of conclusions, but at the same time a lot of people need to be exposed to some different lines of thinking than the ones put forth by our society. Someone brought up the food pyramid and how they jammed that down our throats for so long. You know who had a big part in making that don't you, grain and dairy lobbies. The same goes for health care. Who do you think is promoting most of this stuff, against alternatives??? Big Pharma. Living a life that you chose not to pollute your body, get off your butt and move to stimulate life, and keeping your mind from being polluted cost you nothing and therefore they can make nothing. ITs all about promoting disease and if you get one is cause of bad luck, bad germs and bad genes. Its another way of taking personal responsibility and filling that void with their drugs.
I'm not arguing that eating healthy and exercising doesn't help you. You'd have to be a fool to try and argue that sitting around all day eating Cheetos and doing nothing - glorious a life style as it may be - is beneficial.
I'm arguing that I sincerely doubt that eating healthy and exercising is THE answer to the cure of cancer. Having a healthy immune system is critical. That's why AIDs is such a big deal. AIDs doesn't kill you directly, it's the killing of your immune system and thus your new susceptibility to diseases that you previously didn't have a problem with that kills you.
There's too many healthy people that get cancer for that argument to stand.
Also Dreeza things often work in a test tube that don't work in real life. There's a HUGE difference between putting a chemical in with one other chemical and that's the ONLY reaction it can make as opposed to putting a chemical in a system of thousands of other chemicals and hoping it makes the reaction you want.
And the reason the FDA takes so long to pass a new drug is because it could take decades for vestigial traces of a chemical to build up to unsafe levels. If there were such a drug that gave you a minute dose of Mercury every time you took it you wouldn't feel the effects right away but a couple years down the road you would and the testing could have prevented that.
And I don't doubt that the money has something to do with it either. But that's not the sole factor. A government that has no subjects (through killing them off) isn't much of government.
Also unfortunately viruses evolve as well. So a chemical that blocks the substrates they can bind to today might not work tomorrow because the virus has produced new generations that have adapted to the new substrate it's been presented with. Evolution makes for men from monkeys but also makes for a tough time with medicine. It goes both ways.
I'm arguing that I sincerely doubt that eating healthy and exercising is THE answer to the cure of cancer. Having a healthy immune system is critical. That's why AIDs is such a big deal. AIDs doesn't kill you directly, it's the killing of your immune system and thus your new susceptibility to diseases that you previously didn't have a problem with that kills you.
There's too many healthy people that get cancer for that argument to stand.
Also Dreeza things often work in a test tube that don't work in real life. There's a HUGE difference between putting a chemical in with one other chemical and that's the ONLY reaction it can make as opposed to putting a chemical in a system of thousands of other chemicals and hoping it makes the reaction you want.
And the reason the FDA takes so long to pass a new drug is because it could take decades for vestigial traces of a chemical to build up to unsafe levels. If there were such a drug that gave you a minute dose of Mercury every time you took it you wouldn't feel the effects right away but a couple years down the road you would and the testing could have prevented that.
And I don't doubt that the money has something to do with it either. But that's not the sole factor. A government that has no subjects (through killing them off) isn't much of government.
Also unfortunately viruses evolve as well. So a chemical that blocks the substrates they can bind to today might not work tomorrow because the virus has produced new generations that have adapted to the new substrate it's been presented with. Evolution makes for men from monkeys but also makes for a tough time with medicine. It goes both ways.
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I don't think its THE cure either, but it goes long ways in prevention is my only point.
Health is subjective I think. Lots of outwardly healthy people have terrible diets, or my grandpa who died from treatment for prostate cancer, always was active, always ate the food they grew, but also had a nasty temper and kept a lot of things bottled up as well. Being under a constant fight or flight response is not healthy. It can save your life when confronted by a bear or something, but when you let life put you in a constant state of fight or flight, those hormones over time put a huge strain on your body and can kill you. Like I said, health is much more multi faceted, than eat or take this to be healthy.
Kind of makes you wonder why they're advocating flu shots for everyone 2 months and up now?? little dose of Mercury every year along with some formaldehyde and aluminum for the next 20-30-50 years shouldn't hurt anyone ( sarcasm)
But its getting to the point where I don't even know what the thread started as again. I guess i'm getting more along the lines of making healthier choices and changing some views on health.
Health is subjective I think. Lots of outwardly healthy people have terrible diets, or my grandpa who died from treatment for prostate cancer, always was active, always ate the food they grew, but also had a nasty temper and kept a lot of things bottled up as well. Being under a constant fight or flight response is not healthy. It can save your life when confronted by a bear or something, but when you let life put you in a constant state of fight or flight, those hormones over time put a huge strain on your body and can kill you. Like I said, health is much more multi faceted, than eat or take this to be healthy.
Kind of makes you wonder why they're advocating flu shots for everyone 2 months and up now?? little dose of Mercury every year along with some formaldehyde and aluminum for the next 20-30-50 years shouldn't hurt anyone ( sarcasm)
But its getting to the point where I don't even know what the thread started as again. I guess i'm getting more along the lines of making healthier choices and changing some views on health.
All very good posts concerning the cure (and etiology) of cancer, and, while I agree with a majority of the individuals, one must approach the treatment of any disease entity, armed with many tools. Though Oncology is not my specialty (ER Medicine), I'm of the opinion that continued research, and eventual clinical employment, in the field of proteomics shall provide our best hope for prevention, diagnosis, and treatment at the molecular level. Now, I do believe I'll have a steak, dinner fries, various libations, and a cigar.
Once again, WHOSE definition of healthy?????
Yes, i know, which is why i mentioned it was in a test tube...i was trying to give you the whole truth, rather than jumping to the conclusion that it WOULD work in our bodies. There are many people who have wonderful stories to share about how they cured their cancer using all alternative medicines. And no, i am NOT saying every case of cancer could be cured using alternative methods.
I dont think i said anything about the FDA taking a long time...its that they DONT allow alternative methods to advertise what their products can do. There were a few tiny cherry companies that talked about how cherries can help reduce swelling and pain (which they have pretty much proven they can, and my mother can vouch for personally), and have all other kinds of health benefits. The FDA threatened to shut them down, even though none of their statements were saying they WOULD, they were all like "can's and maybe's" statements. Anyways, the FDA flipped out, and said that cherries werent approved by the FDA (god i have to laugh everytime i hear that...) so they cant make those statements.
and HA! the FDA is so freaking corrupt. We had a pharmacologist from U of M, a really high up, well known guy, come speak at my pre-health club. He told us that the second he saw how ...ok... i just had a brain fart, and i cant remember the name of the drug...im pretty sure its Vioxx. ANYWAYS, doesnt even matter, the point is, once he saw WHAT it did, he knew it wasnt safe. He did studies on dogs (i know, poor dogs
) and it showed the exact same things that later happened to humans. ANyways, he wrote letters to the FDA saying thye cant approve it...and guess what...he got a letter back saying if he goes any further with his studies, and doesnt SHUT UP, he will be totally shut down :yikes: and all this stuff. Course it wasnt said that straight forward, but yes, the FDA completely ignored what he had to say...now look where that got them. Many drugs get approved without complete testing as well...all depends on how much the drug companies are willing to pay. So yes, the FDA is willing to play a nice game of roulette with its citizens, as long as there is a nice chunk of money in it for them.
Yes, i know, which is why i mentioned it was in a test tube...i was trying to give you the whole truth, rather than jumping to the conclusion that it WOULD work in our bodies. There are many people who have wonderful stories to share about how they cured their cancer using all alternative medicines. And no, i am NOT saying every case of cancer could be cured using alternative methods.
I dont think i said anything about the FDA taking a long time...its that they DONT allow alternative methods to advertise what their products can do. There were a few tiny cherry companies that talked about how cherries can help reduce swelling and pain (which they have pretty much proven they can, and my mother can vouch for personally), and have all other kinds of health benefits. The FDA threatened to shut them down, even though none of their statements were saying they WOULD, they were all like "can's and maybe's" statements. Anyways, the FDA flipped out, and said that cherries werent approved by the FDA (god i have to laugh everytime i hear that...) so they cant make those statements.
and HA! the FDA is so freaking corrupt. We had a pharmacologist from U of M, a really high up, well known guy, come speak at my pre-health club. He told us that the second he saw how ...ok... i just had a brain fart, and i cant remember the name of the drug...im pretty sure its Vioxx. ANYWAYS, doesnt even matter, the point is, once he saw WHAT it did, he knew it wasnt safe. He did studies on dogs (i know, poor dogs
) and it showed the exact same things that later happened to humans. ANyways, he wrote letters to the FDA saying thye cant approve it...and guess what...he got a letter back saying if he goes any further with his studies, and doesnt SHUT UP, he will be totally shut down :yikes: and all this stuff. Course it wasnt said that straight forward, but yes, the FDA completely ignored what he had to say...now look where that got them. Many drugs get approved without complete testing as well...all depends on how much the drug companies are willing to pay. So yes, the FDA is willing to play a nice game of roulette with its citizens, as long as there is a nice chunk of money in it for them.I dunno, this guy is giving viruses an awful lot of credit. Viruses don't plan ahead... some viruses mutate into something that allows them to propagate, others don't and disappear. The most successful virus is one that you don't know is in you, and that passes easily to another person without causing disease at all. The least successful viruses are those that kill their hosts too quickly to allow them to propagate (i.e. Ebola virus). Evolution pushes viruses to have as little impact on their hosts as possible.
And the little robot viruses that he talks about are bacteriophages- viruses that only attack bacteria. Not cancer-causing as far as I know!
The FDA/Big Pharm whatever doesn't care if it kills off it's clients, there are always new ones to replace them. Look at Big Tobacco; they knew full and well what thier product did to a decently large amount of people and they didn't care. There is always someone to follow behind the ones that die.
Cherry juice is awesome for arthritis; my dad has been using it, my grandmother has been using it and they've all seen a dramatic improvement. But like Dreeza said, the FDA can't "own" cherries and so won't allow for promotions and marketing. Why do you think marijuana is still illegal, despite all the evidence that it is an effective pain medication and whatever else the benefits are? Because it grows naturally and isn't terribly hard to grow in the backyard. There is no way they can corner the market on it, so instead they keep pressure on certain agencies to keep it illegal.
I realize this sounds like a bunch of wacked out conspiracy theories, but like they say, truth is stranger than fiction.
Cherry juice is awesome for arthritis; my dad has been using it, my grandmother has been using it and they've all seen a dramatic improvement. But like Dreeza said, the FDA can't "own" cherries and so won't allow for promotions and marketing. Why do you think marijuana is still illegal, despite all the evidence that it is an effective pain medication and whatever else the benefits are? Because it grows naturally and isn't terribly hard to grow in the backyard. There is no way they can corner the market on it, so instead they keep pressure on certain agencies to keep it illegal.
I realize this sounds like a bunch of wacked out conspiracy theories, but like they say, truth is stranger than fiction.
You might think Jonas Salk was a farce, but honestly I was there. I watched MANY of my friends contract polio. A fair number of them are dead now, or withering from the return that tends to hit them. Some remained crippled thoughout their entire lives. I was very grateful for Jonas Salk and his vaccine. Polio sure wasn't on the decline where I watched from. Polio didn't go away by itself.