"That stuff is bad for your dog ya know" says the vet
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walking your dog could be very unsafe if its immunosupressed, BTW how did diamond brand kibble effect dogs with strong immune systems last year?? Its rehtorical question. Fear mongering doesn't sit well with me, how come I'm associated with entire kennels that have bred lots of dogs with very great results. All fed RAW, the studs, the Dams, the puppies?? And have never ONCE even heard of anything remotely close to the fear tactics used to discredit feeding raw food??
Are salmonella sickened dogs only found among the RAW fed population? or are most of them kibble fed? you know almost 40% of dogs have salmonella in their GI normally and shed in their feces, wether raw fed or not. Have your professor explain that, and tell me I should be afraid. Sorry, i'm not afraid of something I know about pretty well. Its kind of like the fear mongering the administration used to go to war, and the type they use to get everyone to get their flu shots every year, sorry, I don't buy it.
Are salmonella sickened dogs only found among the RAW fed population? or are most of them kibble fed? you know almost 40% of dogs have salmonella in their GI normally and shed in their feces, wether raw fed or not. Have your professor explain that, and tell me I should be afraid. Sorry, i'm not afraid of something I know about pretty well. Its kind of like the fear mongering the administration used to go to war, and the type they use to get everyone to get their flu shots every year, sorry, I don't buy it.
The fact comes down to it's your dog, feed what you feel is right. You are the one who loves them, you are the one who gives them care, and you are the one who will pay the vet to fix them up if something goes wrong. You can feed exactly what the vet tells you and when/if it makes the dog sick you can count on still getting a bill.
I don't feed raw, quite frankly if I thought I could do it right, I would. And I don't feed what my vet suggested either, he don't like it, but I explained what and why, and he respects my decision, and I still respect his opinion. I still go to him, and don't plan on switching.
The original post was just frustrated at the way her vet acted.............if they had been more professional in their oppinion, she probably wouldn't want to switch vets either.
I don't feed raw, quite frankly if I thought I could do it right, I would. And I don't feed what my vet suggested either, he don't like it, but I explained what and why, and he respects my decision, and I still respect his opinion. I still go to him, and don't plan on switching.
The original post was just frustrated at the way her vet acted.............if they had been more professional in their oppinion, she probably wouldn't want to switch vets either.
One more thing.......................
I have children, and I can tell you that when we go to the pediatrician he has never asked what I feed them. NEVER ONCE. I guess if they were fat, or something related to that he might ask.
So unless ther is a food related problem, allergies, overweight, diabetic, I edon't know why a vet would be worried about diet, unless of course you ask his oppion..............then be prepared to hear it.
Which in this case, it wasn't asked.
(My pediatrician doesn't sell children kibble in his office either!)
I have children, and I can tell you that when we go to the pediatrician he has never asked what I feed them. NEVER ONCE. I guess if they were fat, or something related to that he might ask.
So unless ther is a food related problem, allergies, overweight, diabetic, I edon't know why a vet would be worried about diet, unless of course you ask his oppion..............then be prepared to hear it.
Which in this case, it wasn't asked.
(My pediatrician doesn't sell children kibble in his office either!)
Stealth, I'm glad that things are changing. Bob, how many vets have you talked to? Were they younger vets who may have had good training, or old school vets who sell Science Diet? Also, directly related to your survey, the age/schooling of the vet should be accounted for. I bet most older vets who did not get the training that Stealth is receiving do not have the knowledge to make a smart decision on a raw diet. Stealth is getting the training to be able to understand the pros and cons and I bet could construct a healthy diet on raw foods once the training is complete.
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Factual. and no i'm not going to go and dig up where I got it from, it's been years. so if you choose to not believe me, then don't. I don't really need to be made aware of anything, and you not believing me isn't going to change what I've learned.
My education was not much different than this vet student, and I'm fully aware of where most of my education was coming from. WHo was printing it, who was pushing the agenda, and who's money was behind it.
Human nutrition-the standard is set by big business as well. Look at the hearings and stuff they have, and the councils set up that make the recomendations that we learn in our human nutrition classes. They're more heavily influenced by lobbyists than scientists, why should I believe vet school is any different?
My education was not much different than this vet student, and I'm fully aware of where most of my education was coming from. WHo was printing it, who was pushing the agenda, and who's money was behind it.
Human nutrition-the standard is set by big business as well. Look at the hearings and stuff they have, and the councils set up that make the recomendations that we learn in our human nutrition classes. They're more heavily influenced by lobbyists than scientists, why should I believe vet school is any different?
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Bob, I could put a paragraph right out of a text book and somehow I think you'd tell me I made it up. I get it, you don't like RAW food diets, you don't think there is any influence over education by big companies regarding human or animal health. Point taken. and just to satisfy your craving, no i have never been to vet school, but I still highly doubt a vet's education and mine are much different other than one deals mainly with 4 legged creatures and mine 2. The influences on protocols, and education and research are the same. You don't share the same opinion as me, I get it.
If Vets are getting better nutrition education these days I say great! Times are always changing...................eggs are bad for you, no wait, they are good for you, no wait...................oatmeal is bad, no wait....all cholesterol is bad................no wait...........???????
The earth is flat..........no wait................hehehehe
The earth is flat..........no wait................hehehehe
Exactly....
My vet has no nutritional education, she admits it. I highly doubt she skipped that part of her education, she and the rest of her graduating class simply did not receive this education.
My vet is an intelligent respected vet whom I trust to care for my dogs. Lack of nutritional knowledge does not make her incapable of caring for my dogs, just not able to give me what I would consider sound nutritional advice.
She is ingrained with Science Diet literature and the "sales pitch" but she knows she's not getting anywhere with me.
She asks me questions about my diet, she comments EVERY time on the health of my dogs, and she has referred people to me who are interested in something similar. I respect her for that.
If she refused to acknowledge my decision, or ignored my ideas, or talked above me or over me, I would lose a great deal of respect for her.
My vet has no nutritional education, she admits it. I highly doubt she skipped that part of her education, she and the rest of her graduating class simply did not receive this education.
My vet is an intelligent respected vet whom I trust to care for my dogs. Lack of nutritional knowledge does not make her incapable of caring for my dogs, just not able to give me what I would consider sound nutritional advice.
She is ingrained with Science Diet literature and the "sales pitch" but she knows she's not getting anywhere with me.
She asks me questions about my diet, she comments EVERY time on the health of my dogs, and she has referred people to me who are interested in something similar. I respect her for that.
If she refused to acknowledge my decision, or ignored my ideas, or talked above me or over me, I would lose a great deal of respect for her.
Again I agree. I would not go to my family practitioner and pick her brain about every possible medical question, I would rely upon those that have specialized in that area...
It seems it's OK to go to a canine cardiologist, canine orthopedic specialist, canine reproductive specialist, etc for your dog, but nutrition info from the vet is all that's required or needed.
It seems it's OK to go to a canine cardiologist, canine orthopedic specialist, canine reproductive specialist, etc for your dog, but nutrition info from the vet is all that's required or needed.
When my kids were babies, diet was a large part of what was talked about at the pediatrician's office. When to introduce solid food, how long to go between each introduction, when cow's milk could be added, etc. AND it was not in conjunction with what the grandparents thought!! Things had definitely changed! My pediatrician wanted my firstborn to stay on breastmilk only for 6 months with no introduction of food, and the grandparents thought I was starving her!!
Other than that, I don't think food has been talked about. They would ask if they ate good and a varied diet, but that's about it. I have had them show me the food pyramid.
The pediatric dentist, on the other hand, talks about nutrition EVERY visit.
All of this, of course, is off topic of the thread.
My vet only talks about what my pets eat in regards to whether they're eating well or not, throwing up, etc., and also, if they need to lose a pound or 2, he warns against treats.
Other than that, I don't think food has been talked about. They would ask if they ate good and a varied diet, but that's about it. I have had them show me the food pyramid.
The pediatric dentist, on the other hand, talks about nutrition EVERY visit.
All of this, of course, is off topic of the thread.
My vet only talks about what my pets eat in regards to whether they're eating well or not, throwing up, etc., and also, if they need to lose a pound or 2, he warns against treats.
In my opinion I don't think it's a vet's right to say what to feed your pet, diet wise. Unless someone wanted to feed their pet a diet of strictly chocolate and onions, or something like that. My vet always comments on Hannah's condition every visit and always asks what I feed her so he can reccomend different brands to his patients. He says that Hannah is the first dog in his clinic that has been fed a raw diet, or that he's aware of. What you feed your dog should be your business and if you take the time and energy to research a raw diet than by all means if you can do it properly you should be allowed to feed raw if that's what your heart desires! However if you want to feed kibble than all the more power to you for not wanting to risk doing something wrong, or not believing that raw or homecooked diets are good for your dogs. I feed one dog raw and one dog kibble and I have seen improvement in Hannah since starting on raw but I also think that our berner is doing great on just kibble. It all depends on the dog you can feed a dog raw and it could do horrible, same as you could feed a dog kibble and it could do horrible. A good diet is only worth it if you see improvement in your dog, you can spend all the money in the world on the "greatest" dog food diet and if your dog doesn't do good on it than all that money is wasted.