Texas Wolves???

Discussion in 'The Breeding Ground' started by nedim, Nov 6, 2005.

  1. nedim

    nedim New Member

    Joined:
    Apr 17, 2005
    Messages:
    6,736
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    NY
  2. Gempress

    Gempress Walks into Mordor

    Joined:
    Aug 12, 2005
    Messages:
    11,955
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Wolves have been deliberately bred to dogs for many years. The resulting "wolfdog" is suppossed to look like a wolf, but have the manners of a dog.

    WRONG! SOOO WRONG!

    Here is a fact that I do not mention much, just because I don't want people to think that I support it in any way: my last dog, Odin, I usually call a rott/husky mix. Well, his mother was actually a husky/wolf hybrid. I learned a lot about wolf hybrids because of Odin. Here are a few myths and truths about wolf hybrids:

    "All dogs are wolves under the skin"--wrong. It took people thousands of years of work to develop our domestic dogs. Wolves and dogs have drastically different temperaments. Adult wolves are suspicious, dominant, defensive and potentially aggressive. When we domesticated the dog, we essentially kept them in a permanant juvenille state. Hence, pups and juvenille wolves act just like dogs, which makes them very appealing. Many wolfdogs owners are even able to take their young animals to the dog park. But once the adult temperament sets in, all bets are off.

    "If I get it as a very young puppy, and train it like a dog, and raise it like a dog, it will act just like a dog"---Wrong. Wolves aren't made that way by their environment, they're like that genetically. Doesn't matter how you raise it, if your puppy inherited the right wolf genes, it will become a wolf when it reaches maturity.

    Most reputable wolfdog breeders keep their hybrids EXACTLY like they do in zoos: outdoors, in packs, and behind high fences. They are not meant to be housepets.

    I learned all this through extensive research. I had to have Odin PTS when he became adult, and it was apparant that he had a strong wolf temperament. It wasn't his fault, he can't help the way he was born. I still agonize over what I did to this day.

    On a sidenote, not all wolfdogs are like that. If a wolfdog inherited a dog's temperament, it will be fine. I know several wolfdogs who act just like the german shepherd next door. But it's a genetic roulette. It can't be influenced by socializing, training, or anything like that. If your puppy has the wolf temperament, there's nothing you can do. You can't train it out: you can only live with it. If you're an educated owner and are prepared for that eventuality, that's fine. But if you're not, there's a huge problem.

    Don't believe the stuff the breeders say about it being just like a dog. I know better.

    Oh, and a prize to Nedim! He found the one subject that really gets me going!
    *flings confetti and streamers*
     
    Last edited: Nov 6, 2005
  3. Lexus

    Lexus New Member

    Joined:
    Oct 12, 2005
    Messages:
    166
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Beautiful animals....but sad sad business to see..... very wrong.....
     
  4. Zoom

    Zoom Twin 2.0

    Joined:
    Jul 11, 2005
    Messages:
    40,739
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Denver, CO
    I'm not sure what their aim is...why don't they spend their time in a more effective and ecologically sound manner by helping to selectively breed those wolf populations (McKenzie valley, Timber, Canadian, etc) back into stable populations instead of diluting what may very well be rare bloodlines? I could see maybe creating a sled pack out of them, as the weather and terrain wouldn't bother them a bit...

    And if that's not a run-on sentence, I don't know what is....
     
  5. bubbatd

    bubbatd Moderator

    Joined:
    Nov 28, 2004
    Messages:
    64,812
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    My very first dog was born in northern area of Ontario in 1927....obvious not by a breeder in a small gold mining area !! He was supposedly 1/2 GS and 1/2 wolf. A lovely family dog. But !!! It should be planned breeding today !
     
  6. Love4Pits

    Love4Pits Playful Husky Pup

    Joined:
    Jan 20, 2005
    Messages:
    3,174
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Occupation:
    26
    Location:
    Manitoba
    Home Page:
    There have been dogs bred like this for years. I large percent of Sled dogs have wolf blood in them my father owned a few hybrids in his time. They made a more harsh worker but trainable like a dog. They were for my family far from pets not that they can't be friendly but some are alittle iffy. I don't promote purposely breeding these hybrids.
     
  7. gaddylovesdogs

    gaddylovesdogs no touchy

    Joined:
    Feb 5, 2005
    Messages:
    6,125
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Many people do this now - mixing wolves with "wolflike" breeeds - Huskies, Malamutes, Akitas, German Shepherds.... I think it's stupid and I think it's wrong. Wolves are wild animals, not pets.
     
  8. nedim

    nedim New Member

    Joined:
    Apr 17, 2005
    Messages:
    6,736
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    NY
    My dog that passed away recently was 1/2 gsd and 1/2 wolf, but his birth took place in the wild and had no human interferance. Its so wrong to interfere and breed hybrids and then sell them to uninformed ppl just to make a buck. I contacted the breeder and "expressed" my dissaproval of her business.
     
  9. SHADOW_THE_STAFF

    SHADOW_THE_STAFF Staffie Mad

    Joined:
    Jun 10, 2005
    Messages:
    506
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Occupation:
    1
    Location:
    SOUTH WALES
    Im sorry, that is just wrong. Really wrong.
     
  10. nedim

    nedim New Member

    Joined:
    Apr 17, 2005
    Messages:
    6,736
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    NY
    She replied to my email. What an immature person, I hope her dogs eat her.lol
     
  11. SHADOW_THE_STAFF

    SHADOW_THE_STAFF Staffie Mad

    Joined:
    Jun 10, 2005
    Messages:
    506
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Occupation:
    1
    Location:
    SOUTH WALES
    That made me laff, :D
     
  12. nedim

    nedim New Member

    Joined:
    Apr 17, 2005
    Messages:
    6,736
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    NY
    lol, I wrote her back again, Cant wait to see her "educated and well thought out" reply.lol:rolleyes:
     
  13. nedim

    nedim New Member

    Joined:
    Apr 17, 2005
    Messages:
    6,736
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    NY
    and here is the "conversation" thus far.

    No responsible breeder would ever cross-breed dogs, escpecially not a dog with such a high prey drive as a wolf. And "life is too short o be concerned and angry"? I've devoted my life to dogs and it pains me to see "breeders" ruining bloodlines to make a dog thats nothing more than a trend. I never said you didnt take care of your dogs, but you are doing nothing to help either breed in the long run.

    Texas Wolves <carol@texaswolves.com> wrote: Hello concerned and angry,
    I don't understand why you are so concerned and angry??
    First of all, life is way too short to be so upset about my wolf dogs.
    If you would do some research you would see that breeding wolf dogs is very common place and accepted.
    My animals are well cared for and loved and since you don't have a clue about me or what I'm about, I suggest that you find something worthwhile to be upset about!
    By the way, I guess making silly comments on my website is responsible.
    Get a life.
    Carol

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Nedim Alivodic
    To: carol@texaswolves.com
    Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 5:15 PM
    Subject: concerned and angry


    Hi, I stumbled upon your site while looking for wolf pics. I noticed that youre breeding mutts? Whats all that about? What responsible breeder would ever purposely cross-breed? I think what youre doing is very irresponsible.
     
  14. bubbatd

    bubbatd Moderator

    Joined:
    Nov 28, 2004
    Messages:
    64,812
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Whoops !!! I made a typo !!! My post should have read " It SHOULDN'T be planned breeding "
     
  15. nedim

    nedim New Member

    Joined:
    Apr 17, 2005
    Messages:
    6,736
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    NY
    nice catch Grammy.lol:D
     
  16. gaddylovesdogs

    gaddylovesdogs no touchy

    Joined:
    Feb 5, 2005
    Messages:
    6,125
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    LOL you didn't say she didn't love her dogs - she probably does - but she's taking a wild animal, and selling it to regular people. How stupid can you be? I mean, seriously!!
     
  17. Renee750il

    Renee750il Felurian

    Joined:
    Dec 20, 2003
    Messages:
    94,266
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    36
    Occupation:
    3, Bimmer, GSDX (m); Kharma, Fila Brasileiro (f);
    Location:
    Where the selas blooms
    Home Page:
    If she loved her dogs she wouldn't want to take a chance on them falling into the wrong hands . . .

    Bimmer is a happy accident. His German Shepherd side far outweighs the wolfy part of him, but the wolfiness gives him enough of an edge to maintain order 'mongst the Monsters, lol! I have seen that shift in gears between dog and wolf a couple of times when something was wrong, though, and I'll tell you, I was truly glad he was on my side :eek:
     
  18. filarotten

    filarotten Moderator

    Joined:
    Aug 5, 2005
    Messages:
    8,807
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    36
    Gender:
    Female
    Occupation:
    3 Filas 1 potbelly pig
    Location:
    Texas
    Why can't people leave well enough alone? We have to mix and match everything. Whats next......breeding coyotes to something? Oh, I know, we can breed coyotes to whippets. We can then call them whip e coyotes. Stupid people. I posted this somewhere already.....Some idiot close to Mexico, wants to breed his prized fighting bulldog to a fila to form a new breed. Isn't that lovely:rolleyes: Isn't there someway to stop this?
     
  19. yoko

    yoko New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 4, 2005
    Messages:
    5,347
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Occupation:
    2
    Location:
    Oklahoma
    well i mean think about those pythons and exotic pets that are getting popular :/ people are going to be attracted to it because its something not everyone has or can get. now if i were her i'd make people sign a contract when they got a puppy saying they wouldn't sue me for breeding/selling if the dog killed/attacked someone later in life
     
  20. Saje

    Saje Island dweller

    Joined:
    Dec 26, 2004
    Messages:
    23,932
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    36
    Home Page:
    read her guestbook. It's hilarious. She should check it more often lol
     

Share This Page