Sterilization..?

[Brattina88]

Okay, I need some serious HELP!!!

As some of you may know my little Shih Tzu Carly has been living away from me for several weeks now. She's been doing quite good! However, I recieved a voicemail notification 2 or 3 days ago from her new Mom that has just about sent me off the deep end!

She started off by asking if Carly was spayed. I freaked immediatly. I'd had Carly since she was -what?- 3wks old? The rescue was in complete control of her medically until I adopted her. They did her shots, worming, heart worm and flee medication, ect. Her shot records display "Sterilized" before the female white and tan description, but I deffinetly don't remember her having surgery. I am also 99.99% sure that she never went into heat in her [almost] 2yrs of living with me!

Trying not to panic I called her back and asked her why she asked me that. She replied very bluntly that her 4yr toy fox terrier or JRT I don't remember which was "humping" Carly. Is he nuetered? No. I called and made a vet appt to figure out what in the heck is going on (she WILL be spayed!) I half to split the cost with her new owner... This is a nightmare... because she called me yesterday night and said that IF Carly was prego she would Not be aborting because she's against abortion (I tried talking her out of this, but she's pregnant herself and YOU try to talk a pregnant woman into abortion!!)



I need H E L P and somebody please calm me down

 

[poodlesmom]

Just because her male dog is humping does not mean that Carly isn't spayed. They do this many times as a form of dominance or just in playing. Both Farley & Chloe were done at 6 mos. old and to this day on occasion Farley will still try to hump Chloe. Of course, she lets him know in no uncertain terms that she doesn't appreciate it.

 

[Brattina88]

I know that

My point is I don't ever remember her getting spayed. I don't think she is. Is it possible for her to go 2yrs and not spot + go into heat?
She lived with me since about 3wks old, there was never shaving, stiches, advice on post-surgery care, ect ect. The only time spent away from me was a day or two here and there, for shots, check ups and temperment tests.

I'm thinking this is a horrible miscommunication about her being sterilized

 

[Saje]

I'm so confused. How can you not know if your dog got spayed? It says sterilized in her paperwork? Didn't you take her for follow-up/yearly shots????

 

[Brattina88]

She wasn't my dog, I was just fostering her
I took her in for shots afterwards, a check up on her eyes and stuff, but it was never an issue so it was never checked.
Yes, it does say that on her paper work, which is why it was never questioned.

 

[Saje]

Oh, missed that part. Well then it sounds like there's a good chance she was fixed.

 

[Brattina88]

I really hope so, because that would defeat the whole purpose of rescuing and fostering

 

[doberkim]

so is she or is she not your dog?
you say YOUR dog is living away from you for awhile. is she yours or not?

if she isnt yours anymore, what rescue adopts to someone who has an intact male that isnt showing?
if she is yours, then it doesnt much matter what the other person things, shes your dog and should go and be spayed if she isnt.

 

[Brattina88]

Okay, I'm sorry I'm not too clear with my posts. I guess I assume everyone knows my whole life story - lol

Carly came to me as a foster at a very young age. I did my thing, raised and trained her ect ect They did temperment tests and said she wasn't ready to be placed. That happened twice after serious socialization and specific training for the behaviors they didn't like. Finally I just kind of accepted the fact that she was mine (she was probably a little over a year old at that time.

I have some very personal problems going on right now, she had some issues with other family members and dogs. It started with my co-worker (the woman she is living with now) dog-sitting on the weekends while I went camping with the other two. We love camping, and she does not. After a while Carly was spending quite a bit of time at her house, they were spending loads of money on her, and she would beg me to be able to keep her another night.
We decided that she should adopt Carly, so I called the rescue and they sent paperwork. Done deal

Then I got the call questioning about her being spayed or not. . .

 

[filarotten]

If she was only 3 weeks old when you got her, when would they have spayed her? Are puppys spayed that young?

 

[Brattina88]

I guess that's my point. Something has slipped up, it says she's sterilized, but I don't think she is. I feel like a horrible fostermum because it completely went over my head and honestly never got done . . . And the rescue is clueless . . .

I don't understand how a mistake like this could've slipped by ever single person involved in this... the rescue, the vet, even me

I'm calling her owner this afternoon to see what's going on, how Carly is doing, and when the vet appt. is.

 

[tessa_s212]

If she's lived with you for 2 years and never had a heat, and is not in heat right now(dog trying to mate with her), then she is not and cannot become pregnant.

Yes, talk to the vet or someone that has some knowledge to explain to you how/when the dog was sterilized. It is probably all just a bit of confusion.

Is there any chance the JRT was just trying to prove dominance? I tell ya, those JRTs sure are dominant little suckers!

 

[Boxerowner]

It sounds to me like they are clueless!

For 1 a reputable rescue would never adopt out a dog if the other dog in the family is not neutered.

and 2 they wouldn't have adopted to someone expecting a new baby.
JMO....not meant to hurt or be rude

 

[Brattina88]

Oh, I totally agree! But its one of the only rescues in the area, and the others aren't much better. I would deffinetely suggest that someone in my area would look for a dog at the shelter first.
This is not the first time I've had problems with them. Years ago I fostered a GSD, and they totally and completely forgot about the dog. No one knew she was avaliable for adoption, and I had to constantly call them when she was due for shots, heartworm and flea preventative.

This is why I'd much rather self-foster from the kill-pound, though its more expensive, but then I can be responsible for the dog and not have to worry about *those people* over my head.

Edit: I wanted to add that a shelter refused me as a foster parent because I had three dogs at the time. They didn't want me to be overwelmed, or the dogs placed in my care to be overlooked. I was a little hurt, but at the same time that is smart thinking. This rescue doesn't care how many dogs I have, I have fostered more than one at a time before. I can do it, and the dogs are fine there's no doubt about it, but I feel as if the dogs' best interest weren't number one in those cases. . .

 

[LabBreeder]

but why did you adopt out a dog to a family with an un-neutered male? especially if you didn't know about her medical history or if she'd been spayed. did the new owners not care before hand, did a vet NEVER get asked about it, was the paperwork wrong? so many questions and very few answers.

 

[tessa_s212]

LabBreeder, though you may not be meaning to.. you are sounding a bit harsh.. I assure you, Brattina is a good dog owner that does her best. She, herself, is only the foster mom. She does not own or run the rescue program.

 

[LabBreeder]

no, no...i wasn't talking about her...i was meaning the other person, the one she gave the dog to.

 

[LabBreeder]

ok, i looked...it is worded kinda bad...and it does look like it's towards her....it's more towards the "new" owner. but i would like to know why the dog was placed with an unneutered male if there was any question about her being fixed?

 

[Brattina88]

Thanks, Tessa
Don't worry about it LabBreeder I type and post before I make sure my posts make any sense sometimes

Honestly I am asking myself the very same questions!
There was never a question of Carly being spayed. I think everyone just kind of assumed she was... which is crazy...!
I honestly don't think the rescue even looked at the application... how could they've and still adopted to her??? She has an intact male, a baby on the way, and it turns out she has outdoor barn cats that are delievering or are due soon.

The new owners weren't concerned about any of her health or behavioral issues. They knew they would take care of it either way. They just knew the dog, had watched her at their house, and loved her and wanted to keep her (who doesn't? lol)

She's a really nice lady, she's responsible and dependable. I used to work with her. The terrier is technically her boyfriends who is like a lot of ---- guys I know that will not even think about nuetering a male dog because of "manliness" or something I agree that this is not the ideal time for her to adopt a new dog, or deal with these circumstances right now, but if anyone can do it she can.

Ultimatly I have the strangest feeling of *I want my dog back* which is really not an option. . .

I'm calling MY vet and hopefully the secretary will let me talk to him on the phone. The new owner's vet apparently said we should "wait and see what happens" wtf is going on here???
I think the vet should've suggested her to come in for a spay (if she really isn't already) !

 

[Renee750il]

Brattina, sometimes communications just get snarled up and paperwork gets done sloppily when someone is in a hurry. There was no reason for you to question whether Carley had been spayed or not since she never went into heat. Sometimes you do your very best and things still go awry.

Now, stop kicking yourself! Now!