Staffordshire Bull Terrier vs. Pit Bull Terrier

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  1. Fandogg

    Fandogg New Member

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    Okay I know a lot of people here own pitbulls and I am not here to say that they are evil blah blah blah... I was interested to know if the Staffordshire Bull Terrier is capable of actually killing a person like the Pit Bull has done. (i'm not saying they are bad dogs, just bad owners plz dont take offence) See I'm thinking of getting a more manly masculine dog breed but I also am scared of what it could do to me or someone else. (i know it wouldn't happen but just the thought of it) Staffordshire Bull Terriers are smaller in size so I just thought that they would likely be less able to do physical harm.Thoughts?
     
  2. Renee750il

    Renee750il Felurian

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    Most medium sized dogs are capable of killing a grown man. All they have to do is get you off your feet and it's a done deal . . . BUT that is just not an urge you find innately in dogs. Sure, there are aberrations out there, but they have very little to do with breed; more to do with breeding and how a dog is treated.

    If you'd really like a larger, more "manly" dog, but have an honest fear about that kind of thing (no shame in it - some people do have very real and unexplainable fears about things), why not go with a "manly" sporting breed, like a Lab, Pointer, Foxhound, etc.?

    You might also want to consider doing some volunteer work at a local shelter. Not only will you be doing something good, it may very well help you with your concerns and you might even stumble into the perfect companion too!
     
  3. Fandogg

    Fandogg New Member

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    when i say manly i mean like a rottie, pittie, bulldog (too many health problems), dobbie. (dogs you'd see on rap videos too be quite honest).... but the pit bull scares me quite honestly and i just thought that this staffordshire bull terrier would be a little less dog if you know what i'm saying.
     
  4. Kade

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    A Staffie could definitely do a significant amount of physical harm to a person -- they're small but very solid, and their jaws are the typical "pit" jaw.

    Honestly, if you're intimidated by the idea of a powerful dog, you will probably have trouble controlling and training the dog on a subconscious level. It will sense your apprehension and this will lead to power struggles. Not necessarily dangerous (to you, although maybe to others), but a pain in the neck. Bully breeds are known for their stubbornness, and it helps to be experienced with training and controlling dogs before getting one.

    In my experience, people who choose breeds based on appearance, reputation, or anything other than a careful examination of temperament, needs, and lifestyle compatibility often come to regret their choice. Getting a dog because someone in a rap video has one is not fair to you or to the dog.
     
  5. Fandogg

    Fandogg New Member

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    well ya obviousy.... the staffie fits my needs, i want a small to medium sized dog who doesn't shed very much and likes people yet still retaining masculinity. but yes if it still has that pittie jaw thing going on i think i might pass on this breed.
     
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    Renee750il Felurian

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    Any Terrier breed is a lot to handle, mentally. They are smart, tenacious, can be stubborn, need plenty of physical and mental exercise, and there will be days when you think there's a very good chance your dog is smarter than you are . . . but you can't ever let a Terrier know that crosses your mind, lol!

    Now, one that might be good for you would be the Bull Terrier. http://www.btca.com/

    Personally, I think the little bruisers are irresistable with their swagger and attitude. Handsome divvils too!
     
  7. Fandogg

    Fandogg New Member

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    see i was considering a bulldog but the health problems are just so ridiculous... i mean i dont even know why ppl breed them any more. god is begging them not to breed them...they can't mount when mating, they need c-sections, they can barely breath...it's like god is sending a message "stop breeding these dogs"!!

    btw those bull terriers i just dont like them much
     
  8. HighPridePit

    HighPridePit PitBull Lover

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    i got a 3 month old pit pup, my mom used to be terrified of the breed its all in you and how you act around the dog, i love my girl and wouldnt give her up for nothin, but i also know she can be dangerous one day so i never let her nibble on anyone, make her go threw commands at least three times a day, if she dont listen then i tell her very firmly, then she might decide to do it, this breed is all in gettin there way, theres no way around it, very stubborn, so you gotta show them whos boss early on, they are very loyal, and can be great family pets, i suggest if you get one have him or her fixed, pitbulls, are just as good as am staffs, but its all in you, if you have any more ?'s i would be happy to help you out, or go to this site its really good Bullies unlimited forum, mostly AM Staffs, Great People,Great dogs
     
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    Renee750il Felurian

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    LOL! You've definitely got a point about the Bulldogs, there. Time for breeders to stop going in the same direction and put their heads together to come up with a plan to restore the Bulldog to what it was originally.
     
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    Renee750il Felurian

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    Okay. Stop and think about what you DO like about the dogs you like, and what it is you DON'T like about the ones you don't, then figure out what is most important to you in your likes, and what's least important in your dislikes and what you're willing to compromise on. That will get you closer to figuring out what you really want and finding a dog that will be right for you.
     
  11. Fandogg

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    look at this i got it off a site

    A pit bull is a member of any of a number of breeds of dogs developed from the English Bulldog. Breeds recognized as pit bulls include the American Bulldog, American Pit Bull Terrier, and American Staffordshire Terrier, although the name is also often used to refer to crossbreeds and other breeds of similar characteristics.

    The pit bull is an American creation, and should not be confused with the Bull Terrier or the Staffordshire Bull Terrier.



    see this dont consider the staffordshire bull terrier a "pit bull" they only consider the American Bulldog, American Pit Bull Terrier, and American Staffordshire Terrier...very confusing. see now what does that mean
     
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    Renee750il Felurian

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    A Pit Bull Terrier is a very distinct breed, different from the Staffies, Bull Terriers, etc. Too many tend to lump any type of dog that has a passing resemblance to a Pittie as one, and several breeds are lumped together and categorized as the "Bully Breeds." Denying the Pittie's distinct status as an individual breed is fairly common in places where there is breed specific legislation against them or there is a push for that type of idiocy. It de-legitimizes the breed and makes it easier to demonize.
     
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    This is all true, and you will find especially that Staffie owners/breeders feel this way, but the truth is that the dogs people commonly think of as pit bulls are usually hybrids of the various bully breeds. And Staffies are definitely high-energy dogs who, if not properly trained and socialized, can have high prey-drive and high levels of dog aggression.

    Have you thought of visiting a shelter and spending time with various dogs? Or contacting a rescue and seeing if you can foster a dog for a week? I know you think you know the breeds you want, but the truth is that you will fall in love with whatever dog you get, so you should probably just get the dog that is most realistic for your lifestyle and level of experience.

    You're totally right about the health problems -- most purebreds (and quite a lot of mutts) have some health issues, whether it be respiratory, hips, joints, etc.
     
  14. sharpeilover

    sharpeilover Dogs rule humans drool

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    yeah, any dog could kill if they wanted to, staffies have killed before but so has other breeds, rotties etc but its how u bring them up, if yr scared of a dog they will scence that and play up on it
     
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    SHADOW_THE_STAFF Staffie Mad

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    I've just got a staffie pup and they are very stubborn, but I find as long as you do your research, and are prepared to put the time and effort into training them, then they can be the sweetest, most loving dogs ever. And they make the most adorable noises, I've never heard another dog make sounds like that. They make baby noises, its mental.

    I was walking shadow (my staff) the other day, she's 14weeks, and we came across another owner walking a staff, and I must admit i was a little apprehensive, as it was an older male dog, and shadows a playful female pup. But the male was sooooo well behaved, he was making those baby noises, cos he wanted to come over and play with shadow! he was adorable, the owner said, she'd only just had him, cos the previous owners didn't want him any more.

    It annoys me soooo much when people get dogs, and dont consider that they haven't got the resourses or time to care for them properly. I suppose at least he's with soemone who cares for him now, and thats the main thing.
     
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    BigDog2191 Big German Shepherd

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    Staffordshire may be smaller but I believe they've got much stronger jaw power. They're very much like pit bulls. Why not a German shepherd?
     
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    why not GSD... b/c they shed way too much for my liking. They are however very good dogs.
     
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    Fandogg, I really don't think that a bully breed would be right for you. You are already intimidated by them and they need a firm hand - someone with confidence that they can handle them - because they are so stubborn. There are so many breeds out there. I'm sure you'll find the one that is right for you.
     
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    i did find one...the english bulldog...but im afraid im supporting a bad thing ..their health problems are crazy and the vet bills are probably going to be sky high, id like to get into showing and them possibly breeding but with all the stuff with c-sections and artificial insemination it just doesnt seem worth it
     
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    caseyolee Border Collies R' Us

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    I also have a Pit. They are great loving dogs and are highly trainable. I suggest searching the net for GOOD Pit and AmStaff sites. Research the good (and the bad) about the breeds and then decide. If you decide on a Pit or AmStaff, research the breeder and make sure they are breeding for tempernment and health. Researching the breed you are interested in is the first step. Second step is researching breeders. Third step is going to obedience class with your pup, or working along with an experienced pit/amstaff trainer.

    ALL dogs should be obedience trained, as any dog can be harmful. BUT, the amstaffs and the pits need to be very well manered so we can show people that they aren't in face "bad" dogs.

    As for the English Bulldogs, I believe that you CAN find one with limited to no health problems. It's all in the breeder. Don't just go buy a pup from any breeder, research them and their animals and lines IN DEPTH.
     

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