"spreading the wealth
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I wouldn't be suprised if that were the excuse if he didn't win. That is a sorry bunch of bs. The fact is, he doesn't know anything about economics. He wants to over regulate, as if we don't already have enough of that? If he gets in, the people will get what they voted for....an America that will be unrecognizable....beyond socialistic, nearer to communistic and everyone ought to know that that doesn't work, never has. If they'd let people keep their own money and stop taxing us to death and mismanaging OUR money in the name of "taking care of us since we can't take care of ourselves", most would have enough money for health care and other living expenses. If people can only work in McDonalds, why is that everyone else's fault or responsibility that they don't earn enough? You want to penalize corporations for making a profit? Just watch what happens to jobs and the economy. Our lives as we have known them will be long gone. I don't like McCain a whole lot, but I think he's a good and honorable man and knows a little something. I would have voted for Rudy Guiliani. And that's all I have to say on the subject. Harrrrumph!
Remember Lilavati's thread about people in her area getting told they were closet racists because they WERE supporting Obama?
Much as we'd like to think otherwise, race IS going to be a factor. So many people - some of them who KNOW me and should know better - have told me that they don't like McCain; he's another Bush clone, but they just can't stand the idea of a *N* in the White House.
Much as we'd like to think otherwise, race IS going to be a factor. So many people - some of them who KNOW me and should know better - have told me that they don't like McCain; he's another Bush clone, but they just can't stand the idea of a *N* in the White House.
And speaking of media bias, here's another one of those things that comes across the Internet.
FOOD FOR THOUGHT
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> 1. From the media I learned Sarah Palin's husband has a DUI conviction from
> 22 years ago. On my own I learned that Ted Kennedy (hero of last week's
> tribute at the DNC) was drunk while driving a car off a bridge in Chappaquiddick.
> That same crash killed a young campaign volunteer with whom he was having an
> affair. Oh, and that woman was pregnant with his child.
> * Mr. Palin's (who is not running for office) DUI came a mere 4 years after
> Barack Obama (who is running for president) stopped using cocaine and
> marijuana (by his own admission in his autobiography).
> Shocking - it's OK for the presidential candidate to use drugs or the party
> patriarch to kill someone while driving drunk yet the husband of a VP
> candidate should be demonized for something done 22 years ago.
> 2. From the media I learned that Sarah Palin's daughter is pregnant.
> * On my own I learned that Joe Biden's (the other VP candidate) son was paid
> a large amount of money as a consultant to credit card company MBNA. That
> same company had business before Senator Joe Biden concerning regulation of
> consumer credit practices. After the company paid a hefty sum to Mr. Biden's
> son, he voted in favor of legislation to help that company.
> * That same son, Hunter, is also engaged in a legal investigation and suit
> for defrauding a former business partner
> Shocking - it's a crime for the republican VP candidate to have a child
> who's pregnant even though it's irrelevant to how she performs her job. It's ok,
> however, for the democrat VP candidate while a senator to vote in favor of a
> company who paid his son over a quarter of a million dollars.
> 3. From the media I learned that Sarah Palin should be considered
> 'selfish' for agreeing to run for VP knowing about her daughter's
> condition. Knowing th at her public role would bring extra scrutiny on the
> family is selfish and she should have declined to protect her child (actually
> heard this on ABC this weekend).
> Strange - the same people who said Sarah is selfish for running for VP did
> not seem to care about any impact on Chelsea when Bill Clinton had his
> dalliance with Monica Lewinsky. That was a private, personal matter you see.
> 4. From the media I have learned to be 'concerned' that Sarah Palin probably
> won't be able to manage her family and do an effective job of being VP at
> the same time.
> Funny - I never heard anything about Hillary's ability to support
> Chelsea while re-doing healthcare or any of the other feminist icons who say
> you can balance work and family. They also never mention that Barack will
> have to balance time with his children while meeting with heads of rogue
> nations or how Joe Biden's kids don't even have a mom and will be fighting for his
> time while he hosts white house coffee fundraisers and sells nights in the
> Lincoln bedroom.
> 5. From the media I have learned that Sarah Palin is 'too inexperienced' to
> be a heartbeat-away from the presidency.
> * Apparently taking on corruption in your own party and running a state
> that's the same size people-wise as Delaware (hint hint: that's where Joe Biden
> is from) is not really experience.
> * However, time spent as a 'community organizer' and less than 180 days in
> the senate where you've authored no significant legislation is just the type
> of 'change' we're looking for from the top of the ticket.
> Funny - inexperience at the top of the ticket is a mantra for 'change' and
> 'hope' while strong practical everyday experience as the #2 is cause for
> concern.
> 6. From the media I learned that Sarah Palin's husband once got a ticket for
> fishing without a license.
> * I haven't heard much about the fact that if he were still a practicing
> attorney, the VP candidate Joe Biden would be dis-barred for plagiarism not once
> but multiple times.
> It's ok to break the rules if you're a democrat candidate but not Ok if
> you are the spouse of a republican candidate.
> 7. From the media I learned that Sarah Palin doesn't know much about
> Iraq; in fact we wonder if she even knows where it is.
> * Sarah's son volunteered into the US military and is now deployed in
> Iraq. I guess that doesn't count.
> Sarah has spent more time with troops in Iraq (as commander of the
> Alaska National Guard she visited Iraq last year) than Obama has even
> while running for president. In fact, when Sarah went to Iraq she spent
> time with the troops. When Obama went there, he skipped a base visit to
> instead go work out at the Ritz Carlton.
> 8. From the media I learned that Sarah Palin is a 'lightweight' and she
> better be a 'quick study' to keep up with this team.
> Funny, nobody is talking about how, after Barack Obama had 'visited 57
> states' according to him he only had '5 more to go' or endless other
> stupid gaffes that expose who he really is.
> 9. From the media I have learned that (gasp!), Sarah Palin's husband was
> once a registered member of a 3rd party that favored states' rights
> (man, this is really bad stuff).
> * That same media has been silent to the story that when Barack Obama
> announced his first senate run, he did so in the home of William Ayers. Mr. Ayers
> is an un-repentant terrorist convicted for bombing the pentagon. This same Mr.
> Ayers said on 9/11 that he and his group did not do enough to harm our
> military and he wished he had done more.
During the same time as that comment, he
> was serving on a board with Barack Obama. All notes and information about
> their serving together is now locked up by
> the corrupt Chicago machine and reporter access to those records are being
> blocked by the Obama campaign.
> If we've had any doubts about the bias of the media, it's pretty clear now
> where they stand. Pass this on to some of your friends who are on the fence
> and who get all their information from Katie Couric, Wolf Blitzer, Tom Brokaw
> and the gang. This is egregious and corrupt. The only way to stop it is to
> spread information using other outlets and make these guys irrelevant.
FOOD FOR THOUGHT
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> 1. From the media I learned Sarah Palin's husband has a DUI conviction from
> 22 years ago. On my own I learned that Ted Kennedy (hero of last week's
> tribute at the DNC) was drunk while driving a car off a bridge in Chappaquiddick.
> That same crash killed a young campaign volunteer with whom he was having an
> affair. Oh, and that woman was pregnant with his child.
> * Mr. Palin's (who is not running for office) DUI came a mere 4 years after
> Barack Obama (who is running for president) stopped using cocaine and
> marijuana (by his own admission in his autobiography).
> Shocking - it's OK for the presidential candidate to use drugs or the party
> patriarch to kill someone while driving drunk yet the husband of a VP
> candidate should be demonized for something done 22 years ago.
> 2. From the media I learned that Sarah Palin's daughter is pregnant.
> * On my own I learned that Joe Biden's (the other VP candidate) son was paid
> a large amount of money as a consultant to credit card company MBNA. That
> same company had business before Senator Joe Biden concerning regulation of
> consumer credit practices. After the company paid a hefty sum to Mr. Biden's
> son, he voted in favor of legislation to help that company.
> * That same son, Hunter, is also engaged in a legal investigation and suit
> for defrauding a former business partner
> Shocking - it's a crime for the republican VP candidate to have a child
> who's pregnant even though it's irrelevant to how she performs her job. It's ok,
> however, for the democrat VP candidate while a senator to vote in favor of a
> company who paid his son over a quarter of a million dollars.
> 3. From the media I learned that Sarah Palin should be considered
> 'selfish' for agreeing to run for VP knowing about her daughter's
> condition. Knowing th at her public role would bring extra scrutiny on the
> family is selfish and she should have declined to protect her child (actually
> heard this on ABC this weekend).
> Strange - the same people who said Sarah is selfish for running for VP did
> not seem to care about any impact on Chelsea when Bill Clinton had his
> dalliance with Monica Lewinsky. That was a private, personal matter you see.
> 4. From the media I have learned to be 'concerned' that Sarah Palin probably
> won't be able to manage her family and do an effective job of being VP at
> the same time.
> Funny - I never heard anything about Hillary's ability to support
> Chelsea while re-doing healthcare or any of the other feminist icons who say
> you can balance work and family. They also never mention that Barack will
> have to balance time with his children while meeting with heads of rogue
> nations or how Joe Biden's kids don't even have a mom and will be fighting for his
> time while he hosts white house coffee fundraisers and sells nights in the
> Lincoln bedroom.
> 5. From the media I have learned that Sarah Palin is 'too inexperienced' to
> be a heartbeat-away from the presidency.
> * Apparently taking on corruption in your own party and running a state
> that's the same size people-wise as Delaware (hint hint: that's where Joe Biden
> is from) is not really experience.
> * However, time spent as a 'community organizer' and less than 180 days in
> the senate where you've authored no significant legislation is just the type
> of 'change' we're looking for from the top of the ticket.
> Funny - inexperience at the top of the ticket is a mantra for 'change' and
> 'hope' while strong practical everyday experience as the #2 is cause for
> concern.
> 6. From the media I learned that Sarah Palin's husband once got a ticket for
> fishing without a license.
> * I haven't heard much about the fact that if he were still a practicing
> attorney, the VP candidate Joe Biden would be dis-barred for plagiarism not once
> but multiple times.
> It's ok to break the rules if you're a democrat candidate but not Ok if
> you are the spouse of a republican candidate.
> 7. From the media I learned that Sarah Palin doesn't know much about
> Iraq; in fact we wonder if she even knows where it is.
> * Sarah's son volunteered into the US military and is now deployed in
> Iraq. I guess that doesn't count.
> Sarah has spent more time with troops in Iraq (as commander of the
> Alaska National Guard she visited Iraq last year) than Obama has even
> while running for president. In fact, when Sarah went to Iraq she spent
> time with the troops. When Obama went there, he skipped a base visit to
> instead go work out at the Ritz Carlton.
> 8. From the media I learned that Sarah Palin is a 'lightweight' and she
> better be a 'quick study' to keep up with this team.
> Funny, nobody is talking about how, after Barack Obama had 'visited 57
> states' according to him he only had '5 more to go' or endless other
> stupid gaffes that expose who he really is.
> 9. From the media I have learned that (gasp!), Sarah Palin's husband was
> once a registered member of a 3rd party that favored states' rights
> (man, this is really bad stuff).
> * That same media has been silent to the story that when Barack Obama
> announced his first senate run, he did so in the home of William Ayers. Mr. Ayers
> is an un-repentant terrorist convicted for bombing the pentagon. This same Mr.
> Ayers said on 9/11 that he and his group did not do enough to harm our
> military and he wished he had done more.
During the same time as that comment, he
> was serving on a board with Barack Obama. All notes and information about
> their serving together is now locked up by
> the corrupt Chicago machine and reporter access to those records are being
> blocked by the Obama campaign.
> If we've had any doubts about the bias of the media, it's pretty clear now
> where they stand. Pass this on to some of your friends who are on the fence
> and who get all their information from Katie Couric, Wolf Blitzer, Tom Brokaw
> and the gang. This is egregious and corrupt. The only way to stop it is to
> spread information using other outlets and make these guys irrelevant.
Would you care to explain why all those "rich, liberal elites" who will have their taxes raised under this plan are voting for Obama, while many, many people who make nowhere near enough to have their taxes raised, indeed, will pay less in taxes are voting for McCain? Sure, there are plenty of rich people voting for McCain, and poor people voting for Obama, but I know a whole bunch of "rich, liberal, elite" lawyers who are voting for a man they know will raise THEIR taxes. And, in fact, that's just what the Republicans like to tell you . . . those rich, liberal elites . . . you know, the ones who pay the highest taxes? Who are voting for the Democrats?
Now, you could say Obama is lying about his plan, and plans to raise all taxes, but on the face of it, that cute little quip is obviously untrue, at least if the Republican tripe about all of us "rich elites" is true . . .
Now, you could say Obama is lying about his plan, and plans to raise all taxes, but on the face of it, that cute little quip is obviously untrue, at least if the Republican tripe about all of us "rich elites" is true . . .
This is the kind of stuff that irks me. You can pull up this kind of information on anybody, you can stretch the truth to fit an issue any way you want to. Reframing is so overused in this campaign it's nauseating.
I really wish candidates could just each give the public their opinions on the issues and then the people vote, instead of dredging up all of this crap that really does. not. matter.
And before anybody says I'm just saying this because *gasp* it's against Obama, there was something very similar to this a few weeks ago against Palin, and I found it just as absurd.
I really wish candidates could just each give the public their opinions on the issues and then the people vote, instead of dredging up all of this crap that really does. not. matter.
And before anybody says I'm just saying this because *gasp* it's against Obama, there was something very similar to this a few weeks ago against Palin, and I found it just as absurd.
There is media bias apparent in all kinds of contexts, not just regarding the candidates. They are decidedly liberal. There is no question about it....the way they word things. It's so obviously leaning toward the left with the media, it isn't even funny. Those irksome things there are facts, at least I presume they are, like Sarah Palin going to Iraq. They really did happen. They're not just a matter of twisting things to make them fit. At least, that's my opinion. Oh well...
Anecdotally, Lilavati, I find the same thing. The educated and more well-to-do are, if not voting FOR Obama, voting AGAINST McCain, as are those who tend to think for themselves and question. They don't all particularly like Obama, but they trust McCain, after all of his selling out and - yes, I'll use the term - flip flops and bootlicking over the last eight years and then his insane choice of running mates, far less.
While that's all well and good, if people are only looking towards those factions of the media they need to pull their heads out of their bums and start looking elsewhere for information. I don't read any newspapers and I only get one channel on my TV, and I've still managed to find enough valid resources to make my decision on who I will be voting for.
Well, I have to admit that was much of the reason why I cast my vote the way I did. I used to be a big fan of McCain's . . . my vote was his to lose. He lost it. In fact, at just about every point he could have won me back, he did or said or proposed something that not only didn't win my vote back, it made it all the more certain I wasn't going to vote for him.
But, on the other hand, I have voted against my "interests" at least by Neo's logic. Indeed, I've done something deeply aberrant. Although I won't hit Obama's threshold this year, in the near future, depending on bonuses, I'll cross it. I cast my early vote to raise my own taxes, and I know hordes of other people who did the same thing. Assuming Obama is telling the truth, we voted to raise OUR taxes, we 12% who are over the line (or soon will be). We didn't do it because we were socialists, or brainwashed, or stupid.
We did it partially to vote against McCain, to be sure. And to tell you the truth it hurt to vote against McCain (I voted early). But McCain, and his friends in Wingnuttia, have managed to offend a huge number of Independents, Moderates, liberal Repubicans and business conservatives, including me. Speaking for myself at least here (and I strongly suspect many others, including Warren Buffet), because it seems fair that we 12% pay a slightly higher marginal tax rate so that the 88% or so of other Americans who are not so fortunate can get a tax cut, or get health care, or a better education. For that matter, considering our national credit card is now way over the limit, it seems more fair that I, who can afford it, pay more to pay it off than people who are struggling to pay the rent. Am I happy about this? No. But I recognize that its better Lil the Lawyer than Joe the Plumber or Suzy the Waitress. Indeed, about the fact that the bailout money does not seem to be being spent wisely, I'm downright furious . . . but I'd rather stay in a cheap hotel on my vacation than have Suzy and her three kids get evicted.
My dad has been getting calls on his phone from Dems about if he doesn't vote for Obama he is not doing the right thing, he is racist, blahblah.
He got stopped at a restuarant he was going to eat at, and a 20 something year old woman told my dad that if he doesn't vote for Obama he is a racist b@stard. My dad just said "well i'm sorry", and went somewhere else to eat.
Stuff like that makes me sick. And I agree with Miakoda (i think) that if we don't vote for Obama we are racist (I reworded it wrong but I am agreeing with what Mia said.), and thats actually sickening.
I will be happy when this campaign is done and over with.
He got stopped at a restuarant he was going to eat at, and a 20 something year old woman told my dad that if he doesn't vote for Obama he is a racist b@stard. My dad just said "well i'm sorry", and went somewhere else to eat.
Stuff like that makes me sick. And I agree with Miakoda (i think) that if we don't vote for Obama we are racist (I reworded it wrong but I am agreeing with what Mia said.), and thats actually sickening.
I will be happy when this campaign is done and over with.
Our neighbor told my dad "People think we're going to elect that muslim *n*, but don't worry, it's not gonna happen."
And can we please stop complaining about who's being called racist? Some people are voting for Obama because he's black. Some people aren't voting for Obama because he's black. Some people are called racists because they're voting for Obama. Some people are called racists because they aren't voting for Obama.
So in the end, none of it really matters, and all we're really doing is victimizing ourselves.
In my humble opinion.
Sorry. "Complaining" is a harsh word. But I just think talking about this kind of thing is a bit pointless.
And can we please stop complaining about who's being called racist? Some people are voting for Obama because he's black. Some people aren't voting for Obama because he's black. Some people are called racists because they're voting for Obama. Some people are called racists because they aren't voting for Obama.
So in the end, none of it really matters, and all we're really doing is victimizing ourselves.
In my humble opinion.
Sorry. "Complaining" is a harsh word. But I just think talking about this kind of thing is a bit pointless.
Race is always an issue.
To be honest, my parents never taught me about the different races. I was never given a lecture on how everyone was different but that its "ok" and blah blah blah. Because of that, I grew up with friends of all races and ethnicities and shapes and sizes. Things were the way they were because that's just the way it was. My black friends were just my "friends." My Indian (from India...not Native Americans) friends were just my "friends." My white friends were just my "friends." It wasn't until I was in 7th grade and saw a girl wearing a Grambling University shirt that read "The blacker the college...The sweeter the knowledge" did anything about racism ever enter my brain.
I personally feel all the excessive talk about racism is leading to worse and worse problems. It's only increasing the divide between the races. IMO we are all Americans....well, those of us that chose to live in America and make it our country of choice are Americans.
And race has nothing to do with me and this campaign. Obama's mother was white. His maternal grandparents are white. He is just as "white" as he is "black" regardless of what his skin color looks like. Just like I am just as much Native American as I am Danish despite the fact I have blonde hair and hazel eyes.
With all that said...........vote for ME for president!
To be honest, my parents never taught me about the different races. I was never given a lecture on how everyone was different but that its "ok" and blah blah blah. Because of that, I grew up with friends of all races and ethnicities and shapes and sizes. Things were the way they were because that's just the way it was. My black friends were just my "friends." My Indian (from India...not Native Americans) friends were just my "friends." My white friends were just my "friends." It wasn't until I was in 7th grade and saw a girl wearing a Grambling University shirt that read "The blacker the college...The sweeter the knowledge" did anything about racism ever enter my brain.
I personally feel all the excessive talk about racism is leading to worse and worse problems. It's only increasing the divide between the races. IMO we are all Americans....well, those of us that chose to live in America and make it our country of choice are Americans.
And race has nothing to do with me and this campaign. Obama's mother was white. His maternal grandparents are white. He is just as "white" as he is "black" regardless of what his skin color looks like. Just like I am just as much Native American as I am Danish despite the fact I have blonde hair and hazel eyes.
With all that said...........vote for ME for president!
It depends on what you mean by historically, but yes, you're basically right. Which may make you wonder why that trend is changing. One strong possibility is that taxes are now so low in this country, especially for those with large incomes, that the well-off no longer see tax cuts as presenting them with a significant benefit, especially when other factors are included. See this chart for top marginal tax rates over time:
http://www.truthandpolitics.org/top-rates.php
Basically, the taxes on the well-off (and especially the downright rich, and I'll note that some very successful and well-off attorneys I know benefited not at all from the Bush cuts, because they would have had to be much richer) are historically very, very low. So low, that my guess is that most well-off people agree with me . . . we can pay a bit more and let others pay less, or we can pay a bit more for services that benefit everyone. The rates just aren't high enough (nor will they be under Obama's plan) to be confiscatory or to provide a disincentive for working.
Where you hit a nerve was the fact that the Republicans, for years, have made hay out of the bluntly bizarre assertion that "rich, liberal elites" want to raise the taxes of "middle class, hardworking Americans" and then the Republicans cut taxes for the rich. Presumably those same "rich, liberal elites" who wanted to raise taxes. This makes no sense. Literally, its totally illogical. Its a scam. By and large, the actual "rich liberals" wanted to raise taxes on themselves. Now, admittedly, there are plenty of poor liberals who'd like to raise your taxes . . . but they aren't the same people that the Republicans like to blame.
Now, there are plenty of rich conservative elites, like many Republican politicians, who did well by this . . . and the rich liberal elites, by virtue of being rich, did as well. The only ones who didn't do well were those "middle-class, hardworking Americans" who not only did not enjoy those endlessly promised tax-cuts, but have also suffered from cut backs in such things as education, which are their best ticket to being rich elites of any political stripe, and from being informed that rich people being more rich will make them rich, which if you look at the numbers isnt' true. Trickle-down economics works when you cut tax rates that were too high. When you cut taxes that are reasonable, the rich just keep the money.
Somewhere in this election I blew a fuse. I don't consider myself all that liberal . . . I stayed in one place, even moved right as I got older, but the Republician party as charged right at warp speed. Between the incompetance, the lies, the hypocricy, the lack of compassion, the illogic, and the wingnuttiness, I've had enough of them. Now, not only do they insult me, and other well-off city-dwellers by mocking our taste in coffee beverages, but I have been informed that I am not a "real" American, not a "real" Virginian, that I "hate hardworking Americans" when in fact, I AM a hardworking American, thank you very much, and if you mean rural people and the working class, I like them very much. You want to know why I voted the way I did? One, I don't mind paying higher taxes so my working class neighbors can get a break in theirs. They do work hard, and should get to keep more of that money. Two, I refuse to vote for a party, and a man, who appearently hold me in contempt, and indeed, make it part of their platform (despite being plenty rich . . . when Mitt Romeny blamed "East Coast Elites" I gagged). People who respond to my support as an independent (and that of many other independents and moderates) by selecting a far right running mate, appearently because she has brests and will mobilize a bunch of people who are convinced McCain's opponent is a Muslim Communist who kils babies in his spare time. A person who, despite opposing Bush's tax cuts as radical and unfair, has decided keep and expand them, despite evidence that this is will do the vast majority of Ameicans no good what-so-ever, because that is party doctrine. The Republican party as a whole needs to get its collective head out of its behind and realize how fast they are alienating not only Independents and Moderates, but the business conservatives and the center-right. Heck, I thought the Republican booster at our office would cry when McCain picked Palin. So yes, I'm P.O.'d I'm sick of being blamed, accused, stereotyped, and weirdly, d*mned for being willing to raise my own taxes. I'm sick of "further right!" being the Republican response to everything, followed by the vilification of their opponent . . . an opponent (whether Obama or Clinton or any number of others) who has policies that are the SAME policies the Republicans had a few years before until they abandoned them on their ever more rightward charge.
http://www.truthandpolitics.org/top-rates.php
Basically, the taxes on the well-off (and especially the downright rich, and I'll note that some very successful and well-off attorneys I know benefited not at all from the Bush cuts, because they would have had to be much richer) are historically very, very low. So low, that my guess is that most well-off people agree with me . . . we can pay a bit more and let others pay less, or we can pay a bit more for services that benefit everyone. The rates just aren't high enough (nor will they be under Obama's plan) to be confiscatory or to provide a disincentive for working.
Where you hit a nerve was the fact that the Republicans, for years, have made hay out of the bluntly bizarre assertion that "rich, liberal elites" want to raise the taxes of "middle class, hardworking Americans" and then the Republicans cut taxes for the rich. Presumably those same "rich, liberal elites" who wanted to raise taxes. This makes no sense. Literally, its totally illogical. Its a scam. By and large, the actual "rich liberals" wanted to raise taxes on themselves. Now, admittedly, there are plenty of poor liberals who'd like to raise your taxes . . . but they aren't the same people that the Republicans like to blame.
Now, there are plenty of rich conservative elites, like many Republican politicians, who did well by this . . . and the rich liberal elites, by virtue of being rich, did as well. The only ones who didn't do well were those "middle-class, hardworking Americans" who not only did not enjoy those endlessly promised tax-cuts, but have also suffered from cut backs in such things as education, which are their best ticket to being rich elites of any political stripe, and from being informed that rich people being more rich will make them rich, which if you look at the numbers isnt' true. Trickle-down economics works when you cut tax rates that were too high. When you cut taxes that are reasonable, the rich just keep the money.
Somewhere in this election I blew a fuse. I don't consider myself all that liberal . . . I stayed in one place, even moved right as I got older, but the Republician party as charged right at warp speed. Between the incompetance, the lies, the hypocricy, the lack of compassion, the illogic, and the wingnuttiness, I've had enough of them. Now, not only do they insult me, and other well-off city-dwellers by mocking our taste in coffee beverages, but I have been informed that I am not a "real" American, not a "real" Virginian, that I "hate hardworking Americans" when in fact, I AM a hardworking American, thank you very much, and if you mean rural people and the working class, I like them very much. You want to know why I voted the way I did? One, I don't mind paying higher taxes so my working class neighbors can get a break in theirs. They do work hard, and should get to keep more of that money. Two, I refuse to vote for a party, and a man, who appearently hold me in contempt, and indeed, make it part of their platform (despite being plenty rich . . . when Mitt Romeny blamed "East Coast Elites" I gagged). People who respond to my support as an independent (and that of many other independents and moderates) by selecting a far right running mate, appearently because she has brests and will mobilize a bunch of people who are convinced McCain's opponent is a Muslim Communist who kils babies in his spare time. A person who, despite opposing Bush's tax cuts as radical and unfair, has decided keep and expand them, despite evidence that this is will do the vast majority of Ameicans no good what-so-ever, because that is party doctrine. The Republican party as a whole needs to get its collective head out of its behind and realize how fast they are alienating not only Independents and Moderates, but the business conservatives and the center-right. Heck, I thought the Republican booster at our office would cry when McCain picked Palin. So yes, I'm P.O.'d I'm sick of being blamed, accused, stereotyped, and weirdly, d*mned for being willing to raise my own taxes. I'm sick of "further right!" being the Republican response to everything, followed by the vilification of their opponent . . . an opponent (whether Obama or Clinton or any number of others) who has policies that are the SAME policies the Republicans had a few years before until they abandoned them on their ever more rightward charge.
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"Sharing the wealth" or "Giving the wealth to those who need it more" is redistributing the wealth which is basically socialism. Heavily taxing the people who provide jobs is so illogical I don't know where to begin. Punishing productivity and rewarding laziness is not the way to go. Obama's plan and socialism is all based on the belief that nobody can progress when really a person born into poverty can (in a capitalist country) become rich if they put in work. It's been done numerous times. If you vote for Obama because of his economic plan, you don't understand economics. It's been shown in history that when an economy experiences deregulation the nation's GDP goes up (Sweden)
That being said I don't think McCain is a good choice either. This war is costing the US way too much money which is going to result in the inflation of the U.S. dollar (because the government has no idea what it's doing) and keep our economy in this recession.
Everybody do everyone else a favor and don't vote.
(paying taxes is not patriotic lol)
That being said I don't think McCain is a good choice either. This war is costing the US way too much money which is going to result in the inflation of the U.S. dollar (because the government has no idea what it's doing) and keep our economy in this recession.
Everybody do everyone else a favor and don't vote.
(paying taxes is not patriotic lol)