So this rubbed me the wrong way...
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Immediate thought? "That's ridiculous."
I sort of understand their thought process but people gamble ALL the time with choices. The biggest gamble that most people take? Insurance. They put their money into insurance in case something will happen and they will need that insurance to help them out - hoping that the money they shovel away to the insurance company will be worth it should something happen one day. BUT WHY GAMBLE?! Well, because the odds are pretty good that your insurance WILL be worth it one day. When the odds are in your favor that it will pay out one day, go ahead - put your chips in.
That said, how severe is the gambling risk with having a dog that might get you evicted for barking? If somebody is literally going to get evicted from one place and have NOWHERE to live and be out of their ass because the dog is barking, then yes, I agree. In THAT situation nobody should do anything that could leave them completely and utterly homeless.
But realistically, most people are not in a situation where if they get evicted they will literally be homeless. They have friends who will take them in, family, somebody who will put them and/or their pet up until they can arrange another living situation. And MOST dogs are not going to be problem barkers, either. So with those odds - okay, let's gamble.
I sort of understand their thought process but people gamble ALL the time with choices. The biggest gamble that most people take? Insurance. They put their money into insurance in case something will happen and they will need that insurance to help them out - hoping that the money they shovel away to the insurance company will be worth it should something happen one day. BUT WHY GAMBLE?! Well, because the odds are pretty good that your insurance WILL be worth it one day. When the odds are in your favor that it will pay out one day, go ahead - put your chips in.
That said, how severe is the gambling risk with having a dog that might get you evicted for barking? If somebody is literally going to get evicted from one place and have NOWHERE to live and be out of their ass because the dog is barking, then yes, I agree. In THAT situation nobody should do anything that could leave them completely and utterly homeless.
But realistically, most people are not in a situation where if they get evicted they will literally be homeless. They have friends who will take them in, family, somebody who will put them and/or their pet up until they can arrange another living situation. And MOST dogs are not going to be problem barkers, either. So with those odds - okay, let's gamble.
I totally disagree. Yes, renting can be difficult with dogs, but mainly in the aspect of finding a place to live that will allow your dogs. I feel that if you train your dog properly, choose the right dog with the right temperament for yourself, and are a responsible dog owner, you shouldn't have an issue. I currently rent with dogs... we'd prefer to buy a home, but that's not possible right now. I don't have a problem with my dogs renting. Our landlord has never complained about anything, our dogs haven't destroyed anything, and they're far from noisy.
If you rent with a dog you need to have a back up plan and be flexible. If your dog barks all day, or otherwise disturbs the neighbors (especially during quiet hours), you can be evicted, and you need to have a plan for where to move.
We had a dog in an apartment, and now in a home we are renting, but we are well aware that the landlord could change her mind next year and tell us we can't have the dog anymore.
We had a dog in an apartment, and now in a home we are renting, but we are well aware that the landlord could change her mind next year and tell us we can't have the dog anymore.
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Honestly, ANY landlord can change their mind about ANY aspect of renting to you and you would be stuck with the choice of moving or complying with the changes. So ANYTIME you rent is a gamble if that's the way you want to look at it, at least IMO. Have kids? They can change the building to a 'kid free zone' if they wish. Have a cat? Well they can change their mind about that too.
I wouldn't suggest bringing home a pet who is already KNOWN to have issues if you rent, but you should definitely have a back up plan for your pet no matter what, ESPECIALLY if you rent.
Honestly, ANY landlord can change their mind about ANY aspect of renting to you and you would be stuck with the choice of moving or complying with the changes. So ANYTIME you rent is a gamble if that's the way you want to look at it, at least IMO. Have kids? They can change the building to a 'kid free zone' if they wish. Have a cat? Well they can change their mind about that too.
I wouldn't suggest bringing home a pet who is already KNOWN to have issues if you rent, but you should definitely have a back up plan for your pet no matter what, ESPECIALLY if you rent.
I think it's just a matter of consideration. I personally talk to my neighbors and ask them to let me know if my dogs are being a PITA. If they do approach me about anything I take it seriously even if it's just my dog giving their pet the stinkeye through the fence. I want to know if they are bothered by something I do. I've had dogs while renting, and have never had an issue with neighbors or my landlord over my pets because of talking to my neighbors.
As far as debarking, personally I don't like it and so far don't have a dog I'd be willing to do it to but I have met dogs where upon maturity they barked at everything or have a bark that would tear paint off of drywall. In some living situations this just isn't workable. If after "trying everything" it makes a difference between being at a shelter or new home or debarking, debark the dog. If done by a properly skilled vet it's not that bad and has a shorter heal time and fewer complications than most ear crops.
As far as debarking, personally I don't like it and so far don't have a dog I'd be willing to do it to but I have met dogs where upon maturity they barked at everything or have a bark that would tear paint off of drywall. In some living situations this just isn't workable. If after "trying everything" it makes a difference between being at a shelter or new home or debarking, debark the dog. If done by a properly skilled vet it's not that bad and has a shorter heal time and fewer complications than most ear crops.
That's silly.
It also depends on the landlord. Our situation is probably unique, but put landlord doesn't give a **** what we do with the place as long as we don't tear it down. There's no pet limit, and we live far enough away from neighbors barking dogs wouldn't even be a problem.
It's all about being responsible, training your dogs, and finding a place suitable to your needs (i.e. not exceeding the pet limit or size max, etc.) And of course a back up plan for a place to stay is important. I know that there are people who would never let us go homeless if we were to be evicted, and would also accept my pets. If someone doesn't have that, renting is a bit of a bigger gamble, but renting can always be a gamble. Coop said it really well:
Plus, far less dogs would have homes if no one who rented ever had a dog.
It also depends on the landlord. Our situation is probably unique, but put landlord doesn't give a **** what we do with the place as long as we don't tear it down. There's no pet limit, and we live far enough away from neighbors barking dogs wouldn't even be a problem.
It's all about being responsible, training your dogs, and finding a place suitable to your needs (i.e. not exceeding the pet limit or size max, etc.) And of course a back up plan for a place to stay is important. I know that there are people who would never let us go homeless if we were to be evicted, and would also accept my pets. If someone doesn't have that, renting is a bit of a bigger gamble, but renting can always be a gamble. Coop said it really well:
Plus, far less dogs would have homes if no one who rented ever had a dog.
Honestly, I think it's incredibly obnoxious. :lol-sign:
Maybe this is a hot topic for me, but IMO, if the housing crisis taught us anything, it's that not everyone should own their own house! And to imply that everyone who owns a dog should be a homeowner borders on elitist, even if that wasn't the intent.
It also seems to me that a barking dog can get you into trouble whether or not you own. I owned a condo, and a constantly barking dog could have gotten me in big trouble with the condo association. A noise violation in your own home could get you into trouble with law enforcement. I mean, look at 3dogs's situation -- that wouldn't have been any different if she were a home owner as opposed to a renter.
I can see how a dog with severe separation anxiety would pose problems for renters (and some condo/townhouse/home owners), but otherwise, I'm not sure that it's a huge risk. Anyone who owns a dog is going to want reasonable neighbors.
Maybe this is a hot topic for me, but IMO, if the housing crisis taught us anything, it's that not everyone should own their own house! And to imply that everyone who owns a dog should be a homeowner borders on elitist, even if that wasn't the intent.
It also seems to me that a barking dog can get you into trouble whether or not you own. I owned a condo, and a constantly barking dog could have gotten me in big trouble with the condo association. A noise violation in your own home could get you into trouble with law enforcement. I mean, look at 3dogs's situation -- that wouldn't have been any different if she were a home owner as opposed to a renter.
I can see how a dog with severe separation anxiety would pose problems for renters (and some condo/townhouse/home owners), but otherwise, I'm not sure that it's a huge risk. Anyone who owns a dog is going to want reasonable neighbors.
adults only? No. They can have senior housing but can't refuse to rent to people with children
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Ah well, there's good and bad in that, I suppose. I lived in an apartment complex for awhile that had no children and I'll have to say it was a whole lot more pleasant and quieter for someone who doesn't have any than the others I lived in where there were kids, not to mention we didn't have any vandalism and didn't have to put up with parents who wouldn't make their kids behave 
Kids in the neighborhood are a lot like dogs -- no reasonable person has a problem with them being there as long as their owners/parents are responsible, but when they're not . . . . well, you wind up with topics like this one
Kids in the neighborhood are a lot like dogs -- no reasonable person has a problem with them being there as long as their owners/parents are responsible, but when they're not . . . . well, you wind up with topics like this one
^^This.
Barking was definately a huge factor in my decision making when I was looking for a dog and lived in an apartment.... It was a big reason of why I got Luna specifically - she had been living in an apartment and I knew she wasn't a big barker. Even now that I'm living in a house and a barking dog isn't going to bother the neighbors, I'm still renting and know I could have to move back to an apartment at any time. Barking is a very difficult behavior problem to solve, and I simply wouldn't be able to take a dog that I knew was a big barker.
Barking was definately a huge factor in my decision making when I was looking for a dog and lived in an apartment.... It was a big reason of why I got Luna specifically - she had been living in an apartment and I knew she wasn't a big barker. Even now that I'm living in a house and a barking dog isn't going to bother the neighbors, I'm still renting and know I could have to move back to an apartment at any time. Barking is a very difficult behavior problem to solve, and I simply wouldn't be able to take a dog that I knew was a big barker.
Nah, that one's illegal
And furthermore, if I owned the property in question, I think it sounds like it would be against MY RIGHTS to dictate who I can/cannot, should/should not rent to........if I wanted someone with no pets, no kids, non smoker, certain age group, or purple hair, I think I should be able to decide that MYSELF........providing of course I do not accept any government funds for said property.
I agree with having a back-up plan.
Honestly, it rubs me the wrong way, too. I see posts on various forums like no one under 25 yrs old should have a dog, no one without $5000 savings should own a dog, and on and on.
If all these people were not allowed dogs, the rescue situation would be even worse. It's already bad enough.
Clearly some of these can be roadblocks, but they are definitely NOT deal-breakers.
Honestly, it rubs me the wrong way, too. I see posts on various forums like no one under 25 yrs old should have a dog, no one without $5000 savings should own a dog, and on and on.
If all these people were not allowed dogs, the rescue situation would be even worse. It's already bad enough.
Clearly some of these can be roadblocks, but they are definitely NOT deal-breakers.