So this "new tribe" that had

[HoundedByHounds]

their pics all over Yahoo this morning. Does anyone else have a problem with taking pictures from the air..of people who very obviously are terrified and arming themselves against it?

Something about the photos really bothered me...I understand they want to conserve the area these people live in. But isn't it rather rude to snap photos from an airplane of people who perhaps would rather be approached in a more human like manner?

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[Gempress]

their pics all over Yahoo this morning. Does anyone else have a problem with taking pictures from the air..of people who very obviously are terrified and arming themselves against it?

Something about the photos really bothered me...I understand they want to conserve the area these people live in. But isn't it rather rude to snap photos from an airplane of people who perhaps would rather be approached in a more human like manner?

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Neat article! Thanks for posting it.

I see what you're saying. But I think the plane overflight was much safer for those involved. There's no telling what the tribe's reaction would be to people sent to contact them---for all we know, strangers on the ground would be shot full of arrows. Or worse. And photographs are probably one of the best ways to quickly offer some proof that this tribe is genuine, and to convince local government to something about the logging that's threatening them.

 

[OsaBarbosa]

It is crazy. They have had no contact with the outside world and the next thing they know, this loud shiny thing is flying over them. It is crazy to think that there are still tribes out there that have had no contact with anyone else.

 

[HoundedByHounds]

you know what GP...if they are afraid of the people..maybe they should be left alone? It is a person's right to defend themselves from a percieved threat...and if the "civilized" people are that afraid...maybe they should leave the poor tribe alone?

I mean what are they going to do...drop notes from the air saying "we come in peace?".

IMO the danger to THE TRIBE is far greater...from disease from the outside they have no defense against...from the "word" of those that would seek to change the very fiber of their belief systems...etc.

They knew there are people there...protect the area, and leave them be...they aren't animals to be passed over and photographer against their will.

 

[Gempress]

you know what GP...if they are afraid of the people..maybe they should be left alone? It is a person's right to defend themselves from a percieved threat...and if the "civilized" people are that afraid...maybe they should leave the poor tribe alone?

They knew there are people there...protect the area, and leave them be...they aren't animals to be passed over and photographer against their will.

Who's to say they won't be left alone after this? According to the article, that's what the flyover was about---providing some proof that these tribes exist and to help the tribe's advocates protect them. It's not enough for officials to just say, "Hey, there's a lost tribe here!," without offering some kind of evidence. Quite honestly, if somebody came up to me and said they'd discovered a lost tribe of people that had never contacted modern society, I would think the person was one taco short of a combo plate.

And to protect these tribes, we do need some kind of information. How big an area do they need? How far do they range? Is this the only settlement, or is it part of an entire community? Is the area they currently populate big enough, or are they already suffering from a shortage of resources? Brazilian officials can't just guess and say, "Umm....I guess this spot will be big enough. Right?"

IMO the danger to THE TRIBE is far greater...from disease from the outside they have no defense agains.

Good point. And that makes the survey by air an even better idea. It keeps these people a safe distance away from the rest of the world.

 

[mom2dogs]

I find it fascinating - but do agree that it must be terrifying.

"The world needs to wake up to this, and ensure that their territory is protected in accordance with international law. Otherwise, they will soon be made extinct," said Stephen Corry, the director of Survival International, which supports tribal people around the world.

and pictures might do just that, it's one thing to just hear about them but another to actually "see" them. But they do have them now and I hope they are left alone from now on.

 

[Dizzy]

They can so they will!!!

Remember - that's the way of the world.

Poor people!!

We had an amazing TV series called "Tribe" on, where this fella goes and lives with all these tribes (obviously). It wasn't just a crazy tourist trip, they all consented to it, and he got in there 100% and was initiated and went through all their rituals.

If you get chance to watch it, do.

 

[HoundedByHounds]

I have no trouble with them being contacted and approached like PEOPLE and having photos taken. Photos prove nothing BTW...there was a hoax not long back that was very similar.

You (scientific world) need to TALK to them. They are people...not a population of Rhinos....you can't shoot from a plane, tag and re release elsewhere to avoid inbreeding.

You want to prove they are real? get in there and do it...take a risk...
show me you care enought to risk something to save these people. Show me you care enough about them being "people", in need of help, to treat them as such.

 

[HoundedByHounds]

Dizzy I have seen the show...it's very respectful, and as you say...a two way street. This to me...is not.

 

[mom2dogs]

I don't understand how people say "leave them alone" (not directed towards anyone on this thread) yet think it's OK for people to actually go in there and meet and greet. I understand it happens... but imo, think it would be better to just overall leave em' alone, let them live their lives, and help from a distance. They have their photos... now go (and I'm aware that you can't believe every picture is true to form )

btw, if anyone knows (and I'll put google to the test after posting). People that do go into these tribes, what type of health testing must they go through to ensure they don't infect them? Supplies brought along with them? Just curious.

 

[Renee750il]

Sadly, I can't imagine how there is going to be anyone, anywhere not infected with contact with the modern world for much longer . . . Society is an infectious disease that spreads like a brush fire in LA County in late August.

And notice my use of the term "society," not "civilization." No matter how remote, or how primitive WE deem them to be, these people have their own civilization.

It makes me sad and angry and despairing all at the same time. We shouldn't have to be looking for ways to make these people a "preserve." If we had an inkling of respect for the planet, for sanity, for Life and lived with less greed, laziness, avarice and immature egocentricity (yah, we AREN'T the center of the Universe, and the Earth ISN'T here solely for our rape . . . what a shock, huh? Kinda like finding out the Sun doesn't revolve around the Earth ), there'd be no excuse for wanting to ascertain and define the boundaries of these people's existence.

 

[Psyfalcon]

Their first contact was an airplane, which is unfortunate.

But without some proof that people live there, their first contact would probably be chainsaws and heavy forest clearing machinery.

I'll take the airplane...

 

[HoundedByHounds]

that is no proof actually. Case en point...the Tasaday tribe. If they want to "save" them they will have to go in there and prove it for real. Renee is completely right.


They will be changed either way...and yes have already been changed.

 

[Buddy'sParents]

They should be left alone.

 

[SharkyX]

Question though.. if we don't fly over to find them how do we know where to look or rather not look?

A plane is less invasive then sending in people and less dangerous as there is no contact with disease we bring in.

Yeah the plane probably scared them.. but if they are left alone they will forget about it. If we sent in people to make contact and give them a cold that wipes out 1/3 there population it'll be kinda hard to forget that. If there is a miscommunication or they are so afraid they kill a member of the team of people sent to make contact with them then it'll be kinda hard to forget.

They have one photography trip. They aren't flying tourists over the village to take photos and make a theme park out of them.

We know where they are so we know where not to go.

 

[Renee750il]

They will be changed either way...and yes have already been changed.

Absolutely. You have to wonder how the flyover is going to be incorporated into their lore.

 

[SharkyX]

Assuming they've never seen an airplane pass through the sky before as people travel in and out of the amazon...

Could simply be the closest one has come to them... otherwise why suspect a tribe in that area?

 

[HoundedByHounds]

why not save the area based upon what it is...rather that who or what lives there. hence Renee's point.

 

[Renee750il]

Somehow, this song comes to mind . . . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpgOt-Lf8U4&feature=related

 

[SharkyX]

why not save the area based upon what it is...rather that who or what lives there. hence Renee's point.

You're joking right? when in history has human kind ever saved random piece of forest for the sake of saving random piece of forest because something may or may not be there.