So frustrated with Jude!

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  1. hey_jude

    hey_jude New Member

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    Jude is making me so frustrated. He is 11 weeks as of yesterday and very bitey. Not even just mouthing, when I go to pick him up off the ground when he is playing or something, or even just sitting there, he bites at my neck and growls. He gets tons of attention and stimuli, we have worked really hard on his obedience (he does about 15 commands now and has good manners for sitting and being pet when met), but he still continues to do this. Yelping does nothing when he bites like this. He is super sweet to everyone else and only does this to me.

    Any tips? I've heard this is more common in male puppies with female owners. Any advice on this? Thank you so much in advance.
     
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    Try to nip it in the bud !!! I blame the breeder !
     
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    Why would you just jump to blaming the breeder? That's a bit odd.... Jude has a wonderful temperment otherwise. He is very smart, independent, great with other dogs, great with kids, and generally obedient. He was handled and socialized a lot with his breeder.

    Of course I'm definitely trying to address the problem immediately, but I'm asking how to.
     
  4. Squishy22

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    How could you possibly blame the breeder right off the bat? Wow.

    I've never had a puppy act like that. Kind of bizarre! I am sure someone here can lead you in the right direction!!!
     
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    Have you thought that maybe you're pushing him too much? I know he's a Border Collie, and very smart, but that doesn't mean that they need to be pushed pushed pushed to learn lots of different commands/behaviors. Just food for thought.

    I've never heard female owners having a problem with male puppies. That should NEVER be an excuse, IMO. I know plenty female owners that have males that are very obedient and well trained. It should be nipped in the bug quite quickly. Don't be afriad to give him a tap on the nose when he does stuff like this. He needs to learn now that being picked up/touched/handled is okay and should not bite. If he were mine and a quick, sharp yelp wasn't working, I would tap him on the nose. If that didn't work, I would pick him up by the scruff -not totally off the ground- (it's how his Dam would correct him) and say "ANNHH!" in a high pitched voice. Or an "Heeeeeeyhhh!" in a low, growly voice.
     
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    A part of me is wondering if somehow he is hurt in some way. This just started about 2 weeks ago. One of the times I picked him up he did squeal like he was hurt and then hesitated to put his foot on the ground when I put him down, but he's been walking fine on his leg. At first I thought that could be it. He doesn't do this any other time except for when being lifted into my arms. Perhaps I'm taking him by surprise? He often sees me coming.
     
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    I'm not saying I would continue to allow it just because he is a male, I'm just saying perhaps that is where it is originating from. Definitely not making excuses to continue allowing that behavior...

    I don't think I'm pushing him too much. He does about 2 8 minute clicker sessions per day- one in the early afternoon and one in the evening. Does that sound about right? It seems like a good amount but possibly not. He seems to do this most just after playing with another dog, after an exciting walk, after a play session with me at home, or when I pick him up to take him outside to go to the bathroom (he gets a bit fiesty when he needs to go to the bathroom I think).
     
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    So I'm jumped on once again ....sigh ! As a former breeder I found that biting began in the early weeks and could be corrected .
     
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    You're not jumped on, I'm simply questioning your quick accusation without asking further questions. It seemed rash.

    Since you have expertise with this, I would love suggestions for an solution to this problem.
     
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    He could be entering part of his "brat phase" where he's so busy doing his thing that he gets upset about being picked up, because now he has to do YOUR thing for a while.

    I would wait him out. Keep holding him (arms length perhaps if you cherish your jugular vein ;) ) until he settles down. Once he's calm, then put him down. If you put him down while he's biting, he's learning that biting will get him out of situations he doesn't want to be in.

    You might also start getting him used to being on his back and calm, like right as he's falling asleep, start giving him a good massage all over, gently roll him on his back and give him a good belly rub and leg massage.

    He's an 11 week old Border...he's going to be a holy terror for awhile. Aussies are the same way...little landsharks up until about 7 months, then they go through their "duh, what?" teenage stage...then magically they remember how to follow commands, but they're still PITA's until about 2, then VOILA, they're perfect. :rolleyes:

    Our guys are lucky they're so **** cute...otherwise I don't think they'd make it past 6 months! LOL!
     
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    That sounds like maybe he's doing it when he's wound up and excited. Tallulah will start getting out of control excited sometimes, and I started distracting her with her favorite toy (an athletic sock with a knot in it). I didn't play with her with it, just let her distract herself and calm down. Now when she's getting too cranked, she goes and gets her sock on her own, lol!
     
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    Lol thank you! I will definitely take those suggestions and put them into practice. I've been moving him to the bathroom and closing the door for 1 minute when he does this. Do you think that's a bad idea? Definitely will stop if so! :)
     
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    A vet visit surely wouldn't hurt, he could even have growing pains of sorts. But he may just not like his freedom cut off, when you hold him he cannot do whatever he wanted to do before. Getting picked up means loss of freedom for him and he doesn't like it. So, instead of going the punishment route which would not make him like getting held anymore (though it may get him to stop the biting behavior he will still not be okay with loosing his freedom) I would randomly pick him up through the day (include times when he is wound up) pop a treat in his mouth and put him down. Do this BEFORE he bites or growls. If he starts growling as you are lifting him then you may just need to start by walking up to him, wrapping hands around him like you are about to pick him up, then give a treat and let go without lifting. This way getting lifted actually becomes something that may lead to good things, not just a loss of freedom. These random quick pick ups will also allow him to be lifted from whatever he was doing and then be returned to his activity, it's like continually calling your dog to you, giving a treat and letting them go again so that they learn coming does not always mean they are going inside/going home. Eventually you'll want to hold him for a longer time than just a quick pick up but work up to that point. When you put him down start a game up or something. Getting picked up should be fun!!
     
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    No no, I wasn't saying you were making that excuse. You're post didn't come off that way at all. I meant who ever told you that. :)

    I just remember you saying how you'd already started on clicker training on the drive home, now he already knew 15 commands, etc. Maybe you should just take some time to bond? Dunno, I've only had experience with my Border Collie as a pup and I know he didn't know 15 commands when he was Jude's age! We worked on just the basic things like no biting, don't growl at me when I pick you up, being quiet in the kennel, don't chew on shoes/etc. That kind of thing. I don't think we really started working on commands (sit, stay, lie down, etc) till he was around 4ish months. We did work on a "Here" command from day one, and I'm very glad we started early. But those first few weeks, imo, should be about bonding with your new pup and gaining his trust and establishing the basic rules of the house.

    I do not agree that Border pups are a holy terror. If you think they are/allow them to be that way, well I'm sorry, you're going to miss out on alot of fun with your pup. :)
     
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    I'm no expert .... I just spent a lot of time with each pup .....and concentrated on the ones who didn't like to be handled and wouldn't relax when put on their backs . Sorry , I don't remember how old he was when you got him .
     
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    He was 2 days shy of 8 weeks when I got him. On his temperment test, he got a 4 for sensitivity, so I'm not sure if it is that. Hmm...

    Thank you guys for the great advice! Will definitely try considering a bunch of it and seeing if any changes help. We are doing pick up and treat right now :)
     
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    Sounds like he's being a bratty puppy. :)

    Every time he starts being bitey, I'd redirect him to a chew toy.
     
  18. Squishy22

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    Duke (lab/weim pup) would scream like I was killing him when I'd pick him up sometimes and he surely was NOT hurt :rolleyes:. He was just VERY uncomfortable with the idea, like hes never been picked up before.

    Some puppies are just somethin else!
     
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    Also wanted to say, him growling/complaining when you pick him up is very normal for pups. It's just something that you have to work through, and you'll have a stronger bond with Jude because of it. :)
     
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    steve went through periods when he was a baby where he was just, well, a jerk. he still has moments like that (teenagers. sigh.) but they were more upsetting when he was a baby because he was supposed to be butterflies and rainbows and not snarly puppy.

    what you're describing with jude makes me think he's overstimulated and pitching a fit. i agree with zoom- wait him out, be patient, don't react to him reacting, and work on gentle touching and gentle restraint with lots of rewards when he is calm.
     

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