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SallyandPippa

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Hi.

I changed Pippa onto a wet diet this week instead of Hills but yesterday she didnt do a poo all day and when she did go eventually it was small and black. She hasn't been since early this morning today either, should I put her back onto the Hills and see how it goes or stick with the wet food? It is Natures Menu which is human grade, organic, etc. Not sure what to do really!

Any advice would be appreciated.
 

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I did it over about 4 days, wanted to get her off Hills as soon as I could! Should I go back to Hills for now? Or give her a mix of the biscuit and meat?
 
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and why did you change her to wet... wet is a bad thing... it increases gingivitis and teeth problems... but why did you change?
 
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I agree wet is bad, i have never heard of hills so I dont know if it is bad or good, but any change in diet should be done for at least a week
 

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I changed her from Hills because it is full of nasty stuff like fillers and additives. I wanted my dog to eat something that was full of natural stuff, something that I wouldn't mind eating myself if it came to it. I think what I will do, from tomorrow, is mix some biscuit with the meat and see how we go.
 
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you right...but wet isnt good...put her on a dry food diet that is holistic.... what are you feeding her?
 
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Gallien Jacks said:
I agree wet is bad, i have never heard of hills so I dont know if it is bad or good, but any change in diet should be done for at least a week
science diet is hills... i also feed that now but my puppies are large breed puppies...so i havent found a holistic diet for large breed puppy
 

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it is a complete and utter myth that canned food is bad for dogs. as long as it is of good quality, it is actually healthier than dry food, and better for the teeth.

poor quality dry and canned foods are equally unhealthy.

the dog the original poster mentioned has a smaller, harder stool now because the new food is more digestible and doesn't contain all the useless fillers the science diet has.
 

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I agree with Mordy. From what I understand feces do change when they are put on a higher quality diet. Less waste in the food means less waste coming out, right? I'd stay on the food. And four days seems plenty of time to change food over unless your dog is particularly sensitive. poop colour changes with diet too. If she seems healthy and is enjoying her food I'd stay with it.
 

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Hmm I am reluctant to change her food again when she enjoys meal times like she does with this new food! She is her usual happy, energetic self, and 2 poops a day doesnt seem too restrictive does it? It was just the colour that concerned me, I mean when I say black it was like tar!

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you will probably see some more changes as she adjusts to the new food, that's quite normal, even when you have already completely switched over to the new food. it takes a little longer for whatever is still left inside to come out.

however, if the black, tarry stool is something that persists and doesn't go away within a few days, have your vet check a stool sample, because dark stools can be a sign of internal bleeding. this doesn't have to be the case, so please don't be alarmed.
 
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no canned isnt better for teeth... because it allows tartar build up and much more bacterial build up... and it isnt a myth it is science hunny...
 
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no canned isnt better for teeth... because it allows tartar build up and much more bacterial build up... and it isnt a myth it is science hunny...
You'll find you can go to the bank on Mordy's nutritional info. She's done the research necessary to debunk a lot of those ridiculous myths that people have unquestionably accepted as 'science' for too many years.

And it's really not difficult to find a plethora of foods for large breed puppies that are infinitely superior to Science DIEt. They'll save you money right on the front end too, as you don't have to feed as much of them. Your risk of bloat is less with a food that's less laden with empty filler.
 

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whitedobelover, you might want to read up on canine nutrition and review literature by authors not connected to the pet food industry.

if you want a long answer, backed by years of research, read dr. lonsdale's book "raw meaty bones". the ISBN number is 0646396242 and it'll cost you about 20 bucks. since i doubt you'll make that investment, i'll give you a short outline here. i'm basing all this on the condition of both foods in question, dry and wet, being of good quality. there is no doubt that poor quality canned food is just as bad as poor quality dry food.

* dogs teeth are made for ripping, tearing and shredding, not for chewing. thus, a prolonged chewing process is unnatural and will not clean teeth as well as the pet food industry has you believe. few dogs will even bother to thoroughly chew kibble.

* canned food is less processed than dry food, so less nutrients are destroyed and it is easier to digest for the dog. the natural moisture content also puts less stress on the kidneys.

* the canning process creates a sterile environment, so preservatives are not necessary. vitamins and nutrients are better preserved in a can and don't deteriorate as quickly.

* canned food has a taste dogs like, it does not need a variety of artificial or natural flavoring agents to create a food the dog will actually eat.

* canned food has a lower grain content than dry food. your average kibble contains around 60 to 80% grains. due to this, even the more "middle of the road" canned food varieties offer better nutrition than their dry counterparts. for example, i wouldn't feed my dog any dry food made by nutro, but their natural choice canned food is actually decent. also, grains = carbs, which tend to stick to teeth much worse than canned food.

* coming back to the teeth, due to their shape, they are most efficiently cleaned when the dog eats large chunks of raw meat and bones that he has to work on vigorously - as nature intended. the second best thing to this isn't dry food that sticks to the teeth, but canned food that doesn't stay in the mouth for long but is "wolfed down" fairly quickly, with much less residue on the teeth.

now show me that "science" you were talking about? :)
 
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Huh?

Mordy said:
it is a complete and utter myth that canned food is bad for dogs. as long as it is of good quality, it is actually healthier than dry food, and better for the teeth.

poor quality dry and canned foods are equally unhealthy.

the dog the original poster mentioned has a smaller, harder stool now because the new food is more digestible and doesn't contain all the useless fillers the science diet has.
How can something that is only 8% protein, and 73% WATER be better for a dog than dry food? And no, it is not "better" for the teeth. The amount of tartar a dog gets on its teeth is due to the content of its saliva! And tartar leads to gum troubles. What does a "Good" canned dog have in it.
 

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How can something that is only 8% protein, and 73% WATER be better for a dog than dry food? And no, it is not "better" for the teeth. The amount of tartar a dog gets on its teeth is due to the content of its saliva! And tartar leads to gum troubles. What does a "Good" canned dog have in it.
manchesters, you need a refresher course in math as well as in nutrition i think. :) here's a link to a post i made on the exact topic recently:
http://www.chazhound.com/forums/showpost.php?p=133059&postcount=7

wet food is better for the teeth, for all the reasons i listed above.

saliva does play a role, but it's not the "content" of it, what's important is the ph level - which is again more positively affected by a higher meat content rather than by high amounts of carbs.

read dr. lonsdale's book. it's well worth it.

the reason why poor quality canned foods are so bad for the teeth is that they contain the same awful ingredients as the dry varieties: cheap protein fillers (gluten etc.), sweeteners and so on. junk food.
 

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Ooops I seem to have done it again, this is the second thread I have started that has ended in disagreement, and they have both been related to food! It is obviously a contested subject.

To be honest I do not mind whether the food is wet or dry....what bothers me is what the food is made of! If the dry food contains lots of fillers and unnecessary stuff I will search for another food that doesnt have these things in it, wet or dry is no concern to me, unless it has a direct affect on my dog's health.

What I am doing now is mixing the wet food with some wholemeal biscuit, that way she has the best of both worlds eh?

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Ok now I dont know what is available to you but here in the UK there is no such thing as a good canned food, just look at the ingreadents! A good dry food doesnt contain perservites and encourages the dog to drink more water which flushes out the kidneys, raw is the best choice if you want to make sure your dog is getting a diet that they were designed for
 

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