I heared of this before about some labs being born sliver/grey in color, that this is a mutation and not natural. They being called a freak or not show worthy, shouldnt they be shown worthy they are purebred after all. I don't understand why some breeds are so color limited. Isn't all colors of all breedfiles not allowed to be show worthy or can't be show dogs because of these faults? I just don't find it fair, a dog is a dog is a dog, they have the right to be showed or be treated equal don't they, if it's prove they are from purebred parents? I like how there is many colors of dogs, some breeds were bred not to have so many colors. What's wrong with a new color labador, I know this kind of a question is not new nor is it the last it will be spoken somewhere in the world. I think labadors are way to common and over bred. I would love to own a rare colored dog then a overly common dog. I went yard saling with my mom, and every yard sale that day I kid you not had labadors, all of them, was a really werid they didn't even know of each other, just odd. I would love to know your views, am I to kind hearted to have equal rights for the dogs ? Are they really that bad? They still will be your good dog.
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Nobody is saying they aren't great dogs; they just don't fit the breed standard, so they can't compete. If it is a mutation (I know nothing about the actual trait), and they allowed dogs to compete, then they are saying the dogs are worthy breeding material, because that's what conformation shows are all about. So then you go on breeding a mutation.
Not all mutations are harmless, and the problems aren't always apparent immediately. There was once a QH stallion who blew everyone away by how well-muscled he was; turns out the muscling was linked to a genetic mutation now called HYPP that can cause horrible deaths and very crappy lives for the horses affected. Unfortunately, they didn't know that at the time, and he became an extremely popular breeding stallion and has tons of offspring, many of whom are now affected. Ooops.
Not all mutations are harmless, and the problems aren't always apparent immediately. There was once a QH stallion who blew everyone away by how well-muscled he was; turns out the muscling was linked to a genetic mutation now called HYPP that can cause horrible deaths and very crappy lives for the horses affected. Unfortunately, they didn't know that at the time, and he became an extremely popular breeding stallion and has tons of offspring, many of whom are now affected. Ooops.
we had a white one born occasionally and they almost always were still born. I can't imagine
the white one that did survive in order to be registered had to have photos sent in to prove there was no shading on the ears and such. was deffinately a weak gene. Silver? Sounds like some other breed being introduced. Wish you had a pic.
the white one that did survive in order to be registered had to have photos sent in to prove there was no shading on the ears and such. was deffinately a weak gene. Silver? Sounds like some other breed being introduced. Wish you had a pic.
and ofcourse, where there is a rare/mutated colour. there is someone breeding for it.
http://www.silverlabs.com/index.htm
http://www.silverlabs.com/index.htm
There was a pretty long thread on this a while back that got closed because of bickering.
No, genetic mutations should not be bred. The next thing people will be breeding dogs with allergies because it can be "managed" or other defects. Only the best of the best should be bred. If you don't want a "perfect" puppy, rescue!
No, genetic mutations should not be bred. The next thing people will be breeding dogs with allergies because it can be "managed" or other defects. Only the best of the best should be bred. If you don't want a "perfect" puppy, rescue!
I just want to clarify. Not every purebred is showable- that's the way it is in every breed. There are dogs that have the wrong markings or less desirable traits that can't be shown. (White shepherds, mismarked papillons, etc)
But from what I know most silver labs seem to be actually crossed with weims to get a 'rare' color to sell.
But from what I know most silver labs seem to be actually crossed with weims to get a 'rare' color to sell.
wonder if they have the missing undercoat. Mary is a lab pointer cross, her fur a single layer, like a pointer but not stiff like the gs. Bet that would be the giveaway between the inbred ones...they would be "fluffier" because they would have the lab undercoat where as the weimer cross i bet would be flat.
blue is just a dilute of black. blue dobes are a dilute of black dobes, for example (and fawn is a dilute of red). i have a coworker who has a "rare blue gsd" that she got for free because the byber couldn't unload him as a purebred.
the dilute color gene is linked to skin problems in a lot of breeds- i know it's an issue in dobes and in pit bulls. i don't know if it's true in labs as well but i would expect so.
the dilute color gene is linked to skin problems in a lot of breeds- i know it's an issue in dobes and in pit bulls. i don't know if it's true in labs as well but i would expect so.
You guys, it's not a mutation. It's exactly what Elegy said--these dogs are WEIM mixes (most of them even look like Weims--how anyone falls for it is beyond me). They have the DILUTION gene from Weimaraners. The dilution gene acts on their coats the same way it does on Weims or Dobermans, or APBTs, etc.
It's nothing special. They are mutts. Hence why they all out to be immediately neutered... just MO.
It's nothing special. They are mutts. Hence why they all out to be immediately neutered... just MO.
Elegy, most of the early silver lab breeders ended up also having weims, LOL. I don't think there's a coincedence there.
And while I do know a bit about genetics, and the dilution gene could have been hidden for many generations... it's not terribly likely. We see black and tan points in the Labrador breed more than blue or fawn.
edit: you weren't incorrect about them being dilutes..... something is termed a 'dilute' if they have two copies of the gene for it. The end color they come out as depends upon what other genes they have. So while a fawn is a fawn and a blue is a blue and a 'platinum' (that's what they're calling the yellow ones, right?) is a platinum, they are all still dilutes. Am I making sense?
And while I do know a bit about genetics, and the dilution gene could have been hidden for many generations... it's not terribly likely. We see black and tan points in the Labrador breed more than blue or fawn.
edit: you weren't incorrect about them being dilutes..... something is termed a 'dilute' if they have two copies of the gene for it. The end color they come out as depends upon what other genes they have. So while a fawn is a fawn and a blue is a blue and a 'platinum' (that's what they're calling the yellow ones, right?) is a platinum, they are all still dilutes. Am I making sense?
