Show Dogs - debarked?

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I have no idea what standards are required when showing dogs. Are dogs that are debarked allowed to be shown? I'm asking because a casual acquaintance has a dog he shows and someone told me it had been debarked.
 

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I don't know. My mom's former show dog is debarked, but I don't know if it was done before or after her show career was finished. I can't see why it wouldn't be allowed. It doesn't affect the dog's conformation or breeding potential.
 

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Does it affect the dogs?
The dogs I've been around who are debarked don't seem to have been affected. They still bark just as much as ever... except of course you can't hear anything. They're exactly the same dog they always were, just without a voice. The only problem I've seen is when they tell another dog off, and that dog doesn't know because they didn't hear a growl. Seems that isn't too big of a problem though, as there's usually always plenty of body language to let another dog know how they're feeling.

Not that I condone debarking. Just thought I'd try to answer your question as I know 4 dogs who've been debarked. :)
 
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The dogs I've been around who are debarked don't seem to have been affected. They still bark just as much as ever... except of course you can't hear anything. They're exactly the same dog they always were, just without a voice.
Wow. Perhaps it doesn't affect the dogs much, but I think it would freak me out to have a dog that had no voice at all. :yikes:
 

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I have noticed it is common in collies for them to be debarked in the show circles. They are really vocal though (which is why I chose a quiet breed, lol).

A close friend grooms collies for one of the number 1 collie breeders in the nation, and those collies are all debarked. They don't seem to be affected at all. The same friend bought an older collie pup who had already been debarked. She said that she wouldn't have chosen to get the procedure done, but then admitted it was kind of nice not to hear it all the time.

Debarked dogs aren't totally silent. They make a faint sound, like someone with laryngitis.

And I guess the debarking procedure is much more humane now. It's an outpatient thing done with a lazer, and supposedly doesn't hurt them at all.
 

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I have no idea what standards are required when showing dogs. Are dogs that are debarked allowed to be shown? I'm asking because a casual acquaintance has a dog he shows and someone told me it had been debarked.
Yes a debarked dog may be shown. The bark sounds "hoarse" but its there. I had one debarked dog, purchased the procedure had already taken place. You could easily hear her bark, different from the others. Personally I felt that she barked MORE than the others than if she had not been debarked.
 

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I've heard debarked dogs that don't have the hoarseness. Like anything, it can be done well or it can be done poorly.
 

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I've heard debarked dogs that don't have the hoarseness. Like anything, it can be done well or it can be done poorly.
Agreed.. I knew someone a long time ago the vocal cord grew back so to speak and the dog had their bark back. My girls bark was hoarse- raspy in air.
 

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a remember watching a BIG dog show on tv where the newfoundland barked, and then later won :)
i wouldnt want to debark my dog, its how they communicate to you. if someone was trying to get into the house, something was wrong, they were hurt, it would be alot harder for them to let you know. but i guess it makes sense for some showdogs
 

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I think the only surgeries that disqualify a dog from showing are cosmetic ones. I met a really nice dog with a bruised tooth, and his owner was explaining to me that they could get disqualified from the show ring if she had it fixed and the judge noticed it had been worked on.

I can imagine if people were allowed to do cosmetic surgeries, they'd probably do all kinds of weird stuff like modify the dog's stop, or underjaw, put in implants, bleh.

On the debarking note, my friend's debarked collie doesn't sound harsh. It sounds like she is whispering "HARF! HARF!" I have heard hoarse ones too though. It's really strange driving up to a kennel of jumping dogs and hearing whispering seagulls instead of barking dogs.
 
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Thanks everyone. The only reason I asked is because I had read a thread previously about dogs who were altered were not shown. Obviously, this isn't an issue. I've never met a dog who was debarked.
 

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I really don't like it. Not that I'm totaly against, and hate anyone who has done it, I just don't see the point. To me, it's hand in hand with tying a dog outside because there's too much hair, or tail, or slobber, etc., if you don't want to put up with the bark, or hair, or tail, etc., don't get a dog...

However, in apartment situations, where it's debark the dog, or get kicked out, I can see it...

Honestly, the 'bark' they make is like nails on a chalk board to me. Just too much for me to handle.
 

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I really don't like it. Not that I'm totaly against, and hate anyone who has done it, I just don't see the point. To me, it's hand in hand with tying a dog outside because there's too much hair, or tail, or slobber, etc., if you don't want to put up with the bark, or hair, or tail, etc., don't get a dog...

However, in apartment situations, where it's debark the dog, or get kicked out, I can see it...

Honestly, the 'bark' they make is like nails on a chalk board to me. Just too much for me to handle.
My feelings exactly. If you don't like long hair, get a short haired breed. I don't like barking, which in one of the many reasons I went with a sight hound.
 

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