Should I let my puppy off the lead yet?

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We have a 3 month-old puppy which we let off the lead when on the grassy areas near our flat and keep on the lead near roads. He's now realised he can run off to investigate other dogs, etc. and is very hard to catch once he's decided he doesn't want to follow you. I'm wondering whether I should keep him on the lead constantly to show him that he can't do whatever he likes and start letting him off where it's safe when he's a bit older, or whether I should continue with the 50-50 approach.

With the former, I'm worried he will go crazy when we finally do let him off the lead in a few months' time, while with the latter I'm worried he'll get the impression it's okay to do whatever he likes when off the lead and that it'll be hard to correct. Thanks for any comments.
 

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You should teach him come, and get him to understand it and just get it to stick in his mind. So if he runs off or is exploring, you can call him back to you.

Do you chase your dog when you try to catch him? One thing I learned is that you should never try to chase a puppy, he'll just run away and avoid you.
 

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The answer to this is pretty much always no. Keep him on leash. A young dog is always excited about new things and there are always situations where he will not listen. It's not really something you can teach. And even if you did he will be more vulnerable to other dogs and people.

When Mav was a puppy we used to let him off leash on the beach. One day he chased a bunch of seagulls or ducks or soemthing right onto a busy road. No amount of yelling helped. He just didn't hear us he was too focused on the birds. Thankfully the traffic stopped.

That being said, I do let my dogs off leash when we are far away from roads and most other people. But it's still a risk. I take it but I don't advise it. And definitely not for a dog your age.
 

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You shouldn't let your puppy near other dogs until he/she's fully vaccinated. At what age has he had his shots at? Has he had a 6,9 and 12 weeks shots or 8, 12 and 16 week old shots? I wouldn't let a pup off the leash until they are much older. I don't want them to run away. It happens easily. Until your pup knows all commands VERY well and is a bit older, then I would let them run. Maybe 5 months or so. Hoe this helps
 

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ohmai said:
Do you chase your dog when you try to catch him? One thing I learned is that you should never try to chase a puppy, he'll just run away and avoid you.
I did at the start but realised just how much he loved it! He sometimes responds to treats but I don't want to turn them into a negative thing. I'm wondering, if I do decide to keep him on the lead at all times, whether there's an average age when dogs can be trusted a bit more to start being off the lead?
 

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After a year at least. When he has a good start on his training and isn't AS excited about things. Two years would probably be better.

If you do let him off leash and he takes off run the other way and call him. Make it a game so he chases you. Be more exciting then the duck/other dog... And praise him when he comes. Always praise him when he comes.

OR play dead. If he runs away scream and throw yourself on the ground. He loves you and will very likely run back and see if you're ok. Then praise him. What a good puppy that loves daddy soo much! lol
 

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LOL Sage. Great suggestions. I live in a quiet suburb in Western Australia. So the earliest I'd let my pup off the lead is porbably 6 months.
 

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Yeah, it's really up to each person who knows their dogs and surroundings best. But still some people like CreatureTeacher say never to let them off leash. I think a dog at three months is just way to unreliable.
 

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Yeh. 3 months is defintely out of the question. I wouldn't risk it. Wow, doesn't creatureteacher ever let her dog/s off the lead? I let my dog off the leash when ever we go for a walk. Usually we just go down to the park and let him play with the other dogs. My pup isn't allowed to go to the park yet. After her shots are done.
 

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I must be the odd one out! I let my pup off lead the moment I know he is reliable. I practice "come" a gazillion times on ovals, fenced dog parks etc. I KNOW my puppy will always come, and at that age pups have a huge "follow mummy" instinct, and I like to take advantage of that in imprinting the come command.
 
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I let shadow off the leash when I know there is no one around, where we walk her is completely enclosed so she couldnt get to any roads, etc. Letting her off the leash is one of the only times I can practice the "come" command. And she does every time, we've even tried it where lee will run away one direction and I will call her to me, and she still comes, I always try to make a HUGE deals of it when she does come then. But I also have one of those retractable leads, and I we practice "come" on that too. She doesnt get let off the lead for huge amounts of time, maybe 5 mins in a 40 min walk, and she never wanders far, and always checks behind her to see if im following, she's such a good girl!
 

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Thats great Bridey. I wouldn't trust my pup yet though. She's a crazy little girl. At 11 weeks old she still hasn't learned any commands. She's SLOOOOWWWLLLYYY getting sit. lol
 

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I think you should spend lots of time practicing the recall and get it to be a habit to come when called first, before you let the dog off lead. If you need for the dog to exercise, take it someplace where there are very little distractions and so when you do need your dog to come, it will be easier to get it. If the dog runs way off from you, I wouldn't let it off at all for quite a long time. Once the dog is off leash and realizes he doesn't have to come, it's really hard to get a reliable recall, so it's best to get it in the dog's head that there really is no other choice, that he comes every time.

When you're are calling the dog to come, make sure you can enforce it or don't say the word, "come." Entice the dog to come by running the other way, being super silly, bouncing around, playing...try to get the dog to come after you. Sometimes hiding behind a tree will get him curious. When he is coming and just about to you, say, "come." (so he then knows what come means) And then praise like mad and give a treat. Do this a lot.

Also, when you call the dog to come, don't end the fun at that point. You can let him play some more. If you call the dog to come, don't attach the leash. Go to the dog when you need to attach the leash. Then right away, let the dog off the leash again for more play. Do this a few times, so he doesn't balk or run when it's time to get the leash back on. In fact, don't call the dog to come when you're going to do anything he hates, like clipping nails, baths....always go get him for those types of things. Make coming to you the absolute greatest, fun, tasty thing he can do. LOL.

Once he gets really good at it, I would then let him off leash in safe places with low distraction.

Lyric, my Dobe is a stick close type of dog so he was relatively easy. He's got a great recall. But, if there is a big distraction, another dog, he may not be reliable every time yet. He's two yrs. old.

When we go on hikes way out in the wilderness near my house, my dogs go off leash. But they're all pretty good about coming when called. It's way, way off from cars or other people, dogs etc. That's the only place they go off leash besides on my own acreage. They never leave the property, are very good about that....not a complete fence, (but I'm bordered by national forest and a lot of other land.) But they are breeds which tend to want to stay close to their master....Doberman and Chihuahuas. Some breeds tend to want to run off and explore or "hunt" more. My Lab was terrible that way. LOL. Obedient if I saw her, but if I wasn't looking, would sneak off and visit neighbors. Eh-hem. Thank goodness, they loved her to pieces and she didn't cause any trouble. But she made me crazy sometimes...disappearing and I'd have to go get her. I live out in the country....very little traffic or population. I mean...really out in the country. LOL.
 

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I have some trouble getting our 8 month old vizsla to come when he is not leashed up. We are working on that I make sure I have something really yummy to treat him with when he does come to me. His problem is that he gets all intent on pointing the birds and bugs that fly around the school football field that we go to for our walks. I walk the track with him on a gentle leader (sooo looove that thing) then as a treat for good behavior we let the dogs run (with another vizsla pup) and chase each other and practice hunting. The female will come back when called, be she never ventures to far, now Otis is more intense when he is hunting so it is harder to get him to pay attention to me. But we have seen some improvements. I just love to see the dogs work and be able to run the whole football field freely. It has help with Otis's coordination because when I got him he was very clutsy. If other people are at the field we will ask if anyone has a problem with our dogs running free and most people don't care, I think that they appeciate that we ask. He just needs to learn to come when asked or I will be a alittle worried when we start hunting and training him when bird season starts.
 

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Our 3 month old pup goes in our yard without her leash (we have a 5 acre yard), but that is it. Whenever she goes for walks or even if people are near our house, she is always on a leash. She does know come, but she is so easily distracted that I cannot quite trust her yet. I have already taught her the boundaries of our yard and so far she has obeyed them very well, but you never know what could happen so I still supervise very closely.
 

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Depends on the dog!

We don't have the capabilities to fence in our yard and I don't feel like having to untangle three doggies so Gunnar and Neva have been boundry trained. They are 100% reliable...I have never had a problem with either of them...even if another dog goes walking past or person or some other animal. Gunnar is seven months, has been leash free in the yard since three months. The only dog tied up is Katya but she can NEVER be off leash, it would be extremely dangerous.
I think it depends on how the dog responds to you, some could care less that you are yelling for them while others are only out to please their owners. Neva and Gunnar fall into the latter catagory.
Everybodys advice about working on recall are excellent. Practice practice practice and hopefully your dog will be responsive and reliable enough to be off lead. Just remember that in a new environment even a reliable dog may have the urge to take off.
 

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I do see Bridey's point though. When the puppy is very young, he tends to want to stay close and that is a great opportunity to get the habit started and really get him saturated with practice and show him how wonderful it ALWAYS is to come. But around 4 months of age, the little monsters start getting the wanderlust and adventure in their blood. Then, if you don't have a good start, it's harder. That is when you need to keep them from not obeying and really working with a long line if you have to, but being careful not to call them if you can't make them. I mean, it's like they run off, looking over their shoulder, saying, "neener, neener, neener...make me." Brats! LOL.
 

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Thanks for the great advice everyone. He is in fact incredibly well-behaved off the lead anywhere we don't normally go but I guess the grass near our flat is his 'hood so the wee fella has a bit more courage. I think I will keep him on the lead for a while, as there are cars around sometimes and I like my dogs non-pizza shaped.
 

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Good idea Lord Bile. Better safe than sorry. And these dogs are unpredicable. They can be so well trained and so reliable and then one time.........one time, their prey drive gets the better of them and they run after something and they can't hear you. Then they're pizza. It's happened to people who's dogs were heavily trained. So, if you want a close to reliable recall on your dog in the future, don't let him get away with disobeying. Prevent that with training and a way to enforce your command to come every time. Good luck. Let us know how he does.
 

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