Rimadyl questions
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rabbits,,you asked why I don't give her rimdayl,,first, if I were you, I would ask your vet how familiar he is with the MDR1 gene and the LONG list of no no drugs on it,,most vets are "aware" of it affecting collies,,but what they aren't aware of, (and I found this out with mine) is the LONG list of drugs that cannot be given if the dog is affected with the gene..If you go to www.busteralert.org there is a pretty updated list of the 'no no' drugs , I would print it out and give it to your vet just to be on the safe side.
Ivermectin is not the only drug,,pepto, immodium, bute, and many more just 'common' drugs are on that list.
Why I don't give rimdayl to my aussie,,because I don't want to experiment on her since I do know she carries that gene. In fact, I try not to really give her anything unless it's naturally based because I'm a paranoid momma
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She has taken previcox and it seemed to agree with her. I have also given tramadol and metacam to my gsds, for a prolonged time and both helped my old arthritic girl immensely.
diane
Ivermectin is not the only drug,,pepto, immodium, bute, and many more just 'common' drugs are on that list.
Why I don't give rimdayl to my aussie,,because I don't want to experiment on her since I do know she carries that gene. In fact, I try not to really give her anything unless it's naturally based because I'm a paranoid momma
) She has taken previcox and it seemed to agree with her. I have also given tramadol and metacam to my gsds, for a prolonged time and both helped my old arthritic girl immensely.
diane
Oh, can't believe I forgot this...
What container is your Rimadyl in? We generally give meds out in small plastic ziploc-esque bags, but with Rimadyl we give them in medicine containers because most dogs love the taste of Rimadyl. That's one reason it's so expensive: it's nice and easy to give and they charge you for that.
So just keep the container out of reach. Most dogs when they tear open say, a package of Cephalexin, will just leave that alone. But they'll eat every last Rimadyl if they get a chance. My lab completely tore open a large plastic bottle just to get to some Glucosamine, so I'd just keep it in a cabinet that's off the ground.
Other than that, good to hear he's at least feeling better.
What container is your Rimadyl in? We generally give meds out in small plastic ziploc-esque bags, but with Rimadyl we give them in medicine containers because most dogs love the taste of Rimadyl. That's one reason it's so expensive: it's nice and easy to give and they charge you for that.
So just keep the container out of reach. Most dogs when they tear open say, a package of Cephalexin, will just leave that alone. But they'll eat every last Rimadyl if they get a chance. My lab completely tore open a large plastic bottle just to get to some Glucosamine, so I'd just keep it in a cabinet that's off the ground.
Other than that, good to hear he's at least feeling better.
there is so much in this that i don't understand. rimadyl is an anti-inflammatory. it does not just "mask pain". it relieves the swelling that is the source of the pain. why is that bad? especially in a chronic condition which is very much a quality of life concern. using rimadyl to help control arthritis allows dogs to be more active which ALSO helps control arthritis. active and not hurting are both good things.
in the case of the OP's dog, the vet is trying to prevent the swelling that puts pressure on her spinal cord. again, a good thing to do and a quality of life concern.
no, you don't want the dog to overdo things, but that's why you're there. to make decisions and keep control over your dog's activities.
i have seen so many dogs turned into whole new dogs by the appropriate use of nsaids, rimadyl included. the renewed quality of life, the increased lifespan, it's incredible and i'm grateful we have these medications available. i know that luce is going to need them probably daily at some point and i am so glad that i can provide that kind of pain relief for her when she needs it.
in the case of the OP's dog, the vet is trying to prevent the swelling that puts pressure on her spinal cord. again, a good thing to do and a quality of life concern.
no, you don't want the dog to overdo things, but that's why you're there. to make decisions and keep control over your dog's activities.
i have seen so many dogs turned into whole new dogs by the appropriate use of nsaids, rimadyl included. the renewed quality of life, the increased lifespan, it's incredible and i'm grateful we have these medications available. i know that luce is going to need them probably daily at some point and i am so glad that i can provide that kind of pain relief for her when she needs it.
^^ Agreed. The reason she is given after her walk is to just stop her from going totally CRAZY. Which is what she tends to do. She hurt herself on Saturday mornings walk and has been in pain since. We wanted her to go easy this morning so she got her, now daily, dose after the walk. She is still in huge pain ATM but she is going to see the vet about getting a infiltration in her shoulder.
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Vaxamine, natural pain relief
I recently learned about a natural pain control med called Vaxamine. People are using it for dogs with arthritis. Also used for humans and horses.
Might be worth looking into. I have also read of Zeel and Traumeel being recommended (also natural).
Not sure if any of these would help in your dog's situation. The problem with Nsaids is they damage cartilage in the long run....besides a long list of possible complications. Ofcourse if nothing else helps that is the way to go!
I recently learned about a natural pain control med called Vaxamine. People are using it for dogs with arthritis. Also used for humans and horses.
Might be worth looking into. I have also read of Zeel and Traumeel being recommended (also natural).
Not sure if any of these would help in your dog's situation. The problem with Nsaids is they damage cartilage in the long run....besides a long list of possible complications. Ofcourse if nothing else helps that is the way to go!
We use Rimadyl as well, with much success. However, I don't believe we've ever offered it as a long-term treatment. Wouldn't you suggest something different for long-term managed care? (for this o.p.)
I've never thought of Rimadyl as a long-term treatment method....more of a "get rid of the pain now" method. IMO there are better long-term drugs out on the market. Talk to your vet. And if you desire, get a 2nd opinion (which I always advise in serious cases such as this).
EDIT: And although natural methods are usually ok to try, just remember that they are NOT regulated and everything varies with them. i.e. each pill in a bottle can contain a completely different level of ingredients, the individual ingredient levels have often times been shown to be 2-3x MORE than what the bottle labeled, there are absolutely NO long-term studies done to show risks and possible side-effects. Also, certain ingredients can react with RX meds the animal is already on, so do the research!
I've never thought of Rimadyl as a long-term treatment method....more of a "get rid of the pain now" method. IMO there are better long-term drugs out on the market. Talk to your vet. And if you desire, get a 2nd opinion (which I always advise in serious cases such as this).
EDIT: And although natural methods are usually ok to try, just remember that they are NOT regulated and everything varies with them. i.e. each pill in a bottle can contain a completely different level of ingredients, the individual ingredient levels have often times been shown to be 2-3x MORE than what the bottle labeled, there are absolutely NO long-term studies done to show risks and possible side-effects. Also, certain ingredients can react with RX meds the animal is already on, so do the research!
I don't know if there's a better option (probably is) but it's what the vet uses. I can't really say if there is a better long term option - at least not in vet med - as I'm just a tech.
I'm sure there's a ton of stuff in human med for this situation but the drug selection is quite limited in our canine/feline (and even more so in bovine/porcine) brethren.
But perhaps an IM injection once every week or two would be a cheaper method, but then the client has to bring the dog back every so often which some people are fine with; others will pay for the convenience of the pill.
I'm sure there's a ton of stuff in human med for this situation but the drug selection is quite limited in our canine/feline (and even more so in bovine/porcine) brethren.
But perhaps an IM injection once every week or two would be a cheaper method, but then the client has to bring the dog back every so often which some people are fine with; others will pay for the convenience of the pill.
We used Rimadyl long term for Nikki. With her heart problems, we knew it was a risk. Without it, though, she probably couldn't have walked. We took her off it to try to not aggravate her heart and kidney problems more, but without it she had no quality of life. If it comes down to that, then use it! Nikki had quite a while that was so much better for her than she would've with no Rimadyl.