Rewarding with a towel?

SarahFair

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So the owner that had Rudi before me said he had started protection training with her and used a towel.
'If she wants to play with a towel dont worry about it, I started protection training with her'
Well she REALLY likes towels so I have a few laying around the house and that is what she plays with most..
So I got to thinking..
Should I use a towel as a reward instead of treats in my shed hunting training??
Im not really sure how the police use them. I know when they find the drugs or do w/e they want they give them the towel but I am kinda confused on how long I should give it to her..and things like that..
 

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If she likes to play with it then use it! I agree they probably play tug with it so just play for 30 second or so then tell her to drop-it. I assume since that's what he used she probably knows the command but if not you'll want to be teaching it so you can get the towel back and continue with the training.
 
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towels are used when they are younger, because they are easy to use, somebody always has one laying around somewhere, and they fit into puppies mouths easily.

I would use something more sturdy as they get older, there are hundreds of tug toys, bite rolls, bite pillows etc to use, even balls with strings for play and tugging.

I get away from the towels, because when they get older, I don't want my bath towel going away as I stand under it naked and cold. I have a hard enough time transitioning them away from my pant leg to more appropriate toys, let alone transitioning them from something i've trained them was fair "prey" when they were impressionable puppies. Make sense?

as far as what to reward and for how long? my first preference is food, drive is usually lower, more can be taught easier. Then toys are later, drive is higher and things are a little more difficult, but with good foundation its not really any different. Of course that depends on the particular dog.

Some dogs like to possess the item, that is a high reward, I reward, quick tug, then they get to possess it for a short time, then I get it back and start again. how long they get it depends on lots of things like how they are gripping it, how much reward they earned, what we're trying to accomplish etc.

Some dogs really like the act of tugging. The biggest reward is to fight with you for the tug, if you let them win, the don't try to get away with it, they bring it right back and shove it at you, wanting you to fight more. If they deserve a really high reward, i'll fight with them for 2-3 minutes, sometimes just 5 seconds or so. It depends on a lot of things that are a little much to cover in one post.

Some dogs love to chase more than anything, those I toss it far away assuming i've laid the foundation for getting it back. You don't want to toss a toy to a dog that wants to possess it. they just take it and run off if you haven't trained the rest of it.

If they don't know drop it, use two. LEt them have one, pull the other one out when you're ready to get it back, make it move, and when they're about to drop the one in their mouth, tell them to "drop it" or whatever you use and let them chase the one in your hand. You can either let them win that new one, and I suggest that, so they have incentive to drop the one they have thinking a new game is starting. and further along you can let them drop, chase then give more commands till they get the new toy.

Hope some makes sense, granted lots of steps are missing, but that's some of the important stuff I can think of.
 

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Many people using tug toys to reward search dogs do not train the out. Tricking the dog into dropping it or forcing it out of their mouth and then teasing them with it creates a lot more drive. The out command introduces a lot of control over the game and tends to inhibit many dogs, reducing their drive for the toy and the game.

Just an FYI. I would not assume that she knows anything about out.
 

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Using towel seems okay, but if you can reward your dog some food or toys perhaps, I think that's even better. ;)
 

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Building drive can be very successful and with training an 'out', without losing the drives.
This video is a riot and so true!!!!!!!!
For fun, watch the video with your volume off first. It has a little more impact and much funnier the second time with the volume.
For those you don't know, she is one of the world's leading agility handlers and trainers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzqs54qMgQA
 

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Building drive can be very successful and with training an 'out', without losing the drives.
This video is a riot and so true!!!!!!!!
For fun, watch the video with your volume off first. It has a little more impact and much funnier the second time with the volume.
For those you don't know, she is one of the world's leading agility handlers and trainers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzqs54qMgQA
Great video ado!! I've seen it once before, and it was actually what motivated me to start some more serious work on Nyx's control (or lack of control) issues.

As for using a towel, I made that mistake with Morgan. Now, seven years later, I still can't towel her off after a bath. But she's so darn cute when she's shredding something, I allow it.
 

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Actually tugging is a much better method of rewarding over food for training.
Not necessarily. Its much easier to train obedience such as heeling and proper positioning with food, as you dont have to interrupt to tug and then replace the dog in the position. JMO
 

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Not necessarily. Its much easier to train obedience such as heeling and proper positioning with food, as you dont have to interrupt to tug and then replace the dog in the position. JMO
I agree with this. A tug is a good reward for a "training macro", like finishing an obstacle course or doing several tasks chained together, and then using the tug as a reward when the series is completed. I like food better for obedience, it's instant and the dog doesn't lose focus.
 
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every dog is different. I train positions with food, basic stuff, even go back to it later if I need to clean some things up sometimes. But after a while tugging or chasing (my one dog loves to chase more than tug) is my reward. I'm lucky, I can reward with about anything. Drive level, clarity in the dog, control etc all need to be considered in stages of training as to what will work best.
 

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