Retaining ovaries may be a key to prolonged life in women and dogs

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oh wow..very interesting read! thanks for sharing this. I'll have to pass it along to some of my friends
 
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But what about "accidents" of the puppy kind? If some irresponsible owner reads this, thinks "My dog may live longer if she is not spayed", does not take precautions to keep their dog away from intact males and ends up with more puppies to go to a shelter. Maybe if they just had tubal ligation performed (tying the tubes), I could see it working.
 

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But what about "accidents" of the puppy kind? If some irresponsible owner reads this, thinks "My dog may live longer if she is not spayed", does not take precautions to keep their dog away from intact males and ends up with more puppies to go to a shelter. Maybe if they just had tubal ligation performed (tying the tubes), I could see it working.
Would an irresponsible owner really be researching obscure articles on how to prolong their dog's life in the first place?
 

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Who knows if this could end up on the news some day.
So what do you suggest? Not letting this information public? I would rather it be made public to further educate those who actually care for their dogs VS fearing people might use it as an excuse (in which case, they could easily find another, and another, and another if they don't really want to s/n their dogs).

It's the same with vaccines, with all the information coming out, a lot of people might use it as an excuse to not take their dog to the vet since that is moreso the reason why people go to the vet's office in the first place. . . but I'm still thrilled when new info comes out and learning all I can to protect my dogs.
 
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So what do you suggest? Not letting this information public? I would rather it be made public to further educate those who actually care for their dogs VS fearing people might use it as an excuse (in which case, they could easily find another, and another, and another if they don't really want to s/n their dogs).

It's the same with vaccines, with all the information coming out, a lot of people might use it as an excuse to not take their dog to the vet since that is moreso the reason why people go to the vet's office in the first place. . . but I'm still thrilled when new info comes out and learning all I can to protect my dogs.
I suggest that they also state ways to prevent your dog from becoming pregnant, like not letting her out unsupervised when she is in heat, etc. I want people to do what is best for their dogs, but I also don't want them to add to the shelter problem. With vaccines,everything but the rabies, I can understand, since your dog doesn't need bordetallo if he/she is not going to be living in a kennel environment or exposed to too many new dogs.
 

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I think there needs to be more campains about responsible pet ownership (all aspects) But I have posted on here many times what I think about the whole spay neuter campains.

(and I do have altered dogs.. as well as intact ones. The rule here is you get to keep your parts unless your parts become a problem)
 
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I think what they might do is to do spays without ovary removal. They'd just remove the uterus, like they do with humans in many cases. It seems like that would be possible with dogs, too.
 

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Back when I was a little (so over 30 years ago) we had a cat who was spayed by the opposite. They just removed her ovaries and left the rest!

I don't see why they couldnt' do the opposite.
 

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I suggest that they also state ways to prevent your dog from becoming pregnant, like not letting her out unsupervised when she is in heat, etc. I want people to do what is best for their dogs, but I also don't want them to add to the shelter problem. With vaccines,everything but the rabies, I can understand, since your dog doesn't need bordetallo if he/she is not going to be living in a kennel environment or exposed to too many new dogs.
I agree sort of.. maybe they should add information on ways to prevent unwanted/planned pregnancies. But that's also a no brainer (that not watching your intact bitches around intact males, keeping the bitch confined, etc. could lead to pregnancy) to most people and I can understand them not putting it in there as that isn't the reason for it in the first place. To those that DON'T care about their dogs, or the populations, they can easily find another excuse as to why not to s/n their dogs. And as SuZQuzie said, "Would an irresponsible owner really be researching obscure articles on how to prolong their dog's life in the first place?"


It's all about common sense, and unfortunately some people don't have it or care. But it shouldn't prevent the media from posting new findings.

(and btw, my dogs are on the road frequently at shows, they are around many new dogs, go to different places all the time, etc. and still do not get anything besides rabies after their 1yr booster. . . so I don't even give mine bordetella)
 

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Some friends just got an adorable Boston terrier pup. They don't plan to spay her because a relative in Brazil is going to send them some kind of birth control stuff that will keep her from getting pregnant. Has anyone else heard of this? They already have an intact Boston boy, and the whole thing sounds very iffy to me. Besides, if the little girl does get pregnant, knowing what a hard time this breed can have giving birth--well, I don't know what to think. And these are absolutely devoted dog parents, so I can't imagine their doing anything harmful to their fur people. Maybe it's something that everybody in South America knows about but nobody up here does?
 

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Its not all that hard to keep 2 intact dog separate if you take precautions. Crate them seperately when the girl is in heat when no one is home. And only let one loose at a time when they are home. (and make sure the girl is crated in a separate room.. I have heard of breedings through crates!!
 
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I've never owned an intact female, so this may be a stupid comment. The study didn't mention either the risks of mammary cancer or pyometeria to an intact female. Is it assumed that up until age 4, the risks of taking out the ovaries are greater then the risks of leaving them in, and afterwards the risks of leaving them in become greater?
I do want to delay S/N on my future dog, though it will probably be a male, and I'm curious about how to balance out all the risks. I don't know if I could do an intact female for 4 years.
 

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Maybe the article wasn't well written. Removing the ovaries isn't what is normally done in a spay. The vet will remove the uterus and the ovaries. Not many vets will remove only the uterus, because as long as the bitch is open on the table, they will remove the possibility of ovarian cancer. I suppose you could ask for a spay that only removes the uterus and keep your bitch from becoming pregnant but give her a longer life.
 

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