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Very normal and this is exactly why it is a sport.
We can argue until the end of time about this.
I never ever stated that working dogs should not be worked, tested and proven either. That is you putting words in my mouth to try and prove a faulty point.
Yes you posted that link over on Kijji Canadian Pet Forums; for Heather.
She was well aware of the link as I had sent it to her long ago.
Yes I use to be a member there too; I was Sam_Johnston.
I left because of the lack of knowledge on that particular forum.
Heather and I have already contacted two of the best working kennels in the world and deposits are in place for puppies {breeding stock} from both.
You see true working breeders take the time to talk with potential buyers and I have yet to hear of one not being impressed with Heather's ideas and plans.
Yet on this forum she is trashed and thrown out. WHY?
Why is so evil to you here on a PET forum? Yet actual working breeders are very happy with her.
Peter Cadman at Crosshill Kennels had no problems selling her a puppy for her breeding program. NONE and still has no problem.
Maybe if you were to understand this you would understand the frustration.
We have members who own a gsd who wish to bash her because she might just be a little better then you or your dog. Well get over it because every dog is special in their own way. A lot is also a personal grudge that started with one member and her husbands K9 dog and everyone else jumped on the band wagon.
Fine hate her; no skin of my back or hers.
Fine bash her but you look like fools for doing so!
Ask the real breeders who do not have time to be on these pet forums; they are out working their dogs.
I can tell you wait about two months and I bet that Kijji forum never or rarely sees Heather. She will be very busy with her first ever litter of working gsd. I think they will be excellent pups but you know what? Until we see what they are doing in two years time; it is a crap shoot. It is with every breeder and those who state differently are full of crap themselves.
These are my words of wisdom. I took the time to be involved with Heather and I was the one who said hey wait a minute lets put that stud to work.
Yes when everyone on every forum said just give him to me; now if he is such garbage why did you all ask for him back then? Maybe you saw something you really liked then and it has only gotten better.
Just to back up the facts here: How often do I post?
Right not very!
I am busy working dogs and training. That is my living!
We can argue until the end of time about this.
I never ever stated that working dogs should not be worked, tested and proven either. That is you putting words in my mouth to try and prove a faulty point.
Yes you posted that link over on Kijji Canadian Pet Forums; for Heather.
She was well aware of the link as I had sent it to her long ago.
Yes I use to be a member there too; I was Sam_Johnston.
I left because of the lack of knowledge on that particular forum.
Heather and I have already contacted two of the best working kennels in the world and deposits are in place for puppies {breeding stock} from both.
You see true working breeders take the time to talk with potential buyers and I have yet to hear of one not being impressed with Heather's ideas and plans.
Yet on this forum she is trashed and thrown out. WHY?
Why is so evil to you here on a PET forum? Yet actual working breeders are very happy with her.
Peter Cadman at Crosshill Kennels had no problems selling her a puppy for her breeding program. NONE and still has no problem.
Maybe if you were to understand this you would understand the frustration.
We have members who own a gsd who wish to bash her because she might just be a little better then you or your dog. Well get over it because every dog is special in their own way. A lot is also a personal grudge that started with one member and her husbands K9 dog and everyone else jumped on the band wagon.
Fine hate her; no skin of my back or hers.
Fine bash her but you look like fools for doing so!
Ask the real breeders who do not have time to be on these pet forums; they are out working their dogs.
I can tell you wait about two months and I bet that Kijji forum never or rarely sees Heather. She will be very busy with her first ever litter of working gsd. I think they will be excellent pups but you know what? Until we see what they are doing in two years time; it is a crap shoot. It is with every breeder and those who state differently are full of crap themselves.
These are my words of wisdom. I took the time to be involved with Heather and I was the one who said hey wait a minute lets put that stud to work.
Yes when everyone on every forum said just give him to me; now if he is such garbage why did you all ask for him back then? Maybe you saw something you really liked then and it has only gotten better.
Just to back up the facts here: How often do I post?
Right not very!
I am busy working dogs and training. That is my living!
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This tread whasen't about that Heather person, I don't even know who she is.
Don't go off topic whit that.
The tread was about ovesized, white, blue, all red and long haired GSD to be out of standar.
If you belive trials like SCH, french ring and ZTP are just "sports" and not test for the abilities and temparemt of the dogs then whe may never know your idea of what a working dog is.
Don't go off topic whit that.
The tread was about ovesized, white, blue, all red and long haired GSD to be out of standar.
If you belive trials like SCH, french ring and ZTP are just "sports" and not test for the abilities and temparemt of the dogs then whe may never know your idea of what a working dog is.
Actually, the question was directed to Whatzamatter, someone I believe has a lot of experiance in the area. I am here to learn, and that I will do. These people have been here for me, through thick and thin. With my Springer Spaniel Sasha, and the three dogs I rescued which two have been placed in real great homes.
I do not own a German Shepherd at this time but will consider it in the future. I feel the attitude issues are yours and yours alone. So please if you need some one to complain to and about do it on your own time!
I do not own a German Shepherd at this time but will consider it in the future. I feel the attitude issues are yours and yours alone. So please if you need some one to complain to and about do it on your own time!
Comments are interesting! Sounds as though Sam is once again speaking for his counter part Heather; I will state these areas to you and let it go from here!
1) Why did the Spca, and Brockville Township close Heather down if she is doing such an wonderful job???
2) If the two of you are such pro's why does it worry you so much what others have to say about you? You should not even give a dam! I know I wouldn't care less. But then again that's what happens when your so insecure and know what other's are saying is to be found truthful!!!
1) Why did the Spca, and Brockville Township close Heather down if she is doing such an wonderful job???
2) If the two of you are such pro's why does it worry you so much what others have to say about you? You should not even give a dam! I know I wouldn't care less. But then again that's what happens when your so insecure and know what other's are saying is to be found truthful!!!
Hello Debbie Meloche again!
The SPCA has never been to Heather's.
Why would the Brockville Township give a rats behind about Heather; when she lives in Prescott?
Who closed her down?
I was there all day today and she has thirteen dogs; a kennel license posted and a business license. Where did your faulty information come from? Let me guess Kim Hatch and Dave Vincent?
Honestly I do not care at all what anyone says as I know what is going on. I train and work the dogs not you! The only reason anyone says anything bad here is because they know who has the best and the thought of competition scares you. Well there is no competition because she is light years ahead.
Debbie please stop making up email addresses and begging for a breeding to Yukon. We do not deal with scammers!
The SPCA has never been to Heather's.
Why would the Brockville Township give a rats behind about Heather; when she lives in Prescott?
Who closed her down?
I was there all day today and she has thirteen dogs; a kennel license posted and a business license. Where did your faulty information come from? Let me guess Kim Hatch and Dave Vincent?
Honestly I do not care at all what anyone says as I know what is going on. I train and work the dogs not you! The only reason anyone says anything bad here is because they know who has the best and the thought of competition scares you. Well there is no competition because she is light years ahead.
Debbie please stop making up email addresses and begging for a breeding to Yukon. We do not deal with scammers!
It makes it really hard to be a member here due to the taboo topic of Heather. The problem is that I am her mentor and her trainer! So basically the dogs in her life are the dogs in my life. So this is a dog forum and I am not allowed to discuss the dogs because someone here is jealous and many others have no clue but they jump on the band wagon.
So what do I do when she has a litter? Am I allowed to post pictures?
Am I allowed to say anything?
Probably not so guess this likely is not a good forum for me to be on.
I was simply trying to share knowledge not bashing mindless attacks that some here seem to think is appropriate.
Then we have Miss Meloche who comes here everyday with another user name just like on Kijji just to attack Heather. Then she sends email after email begging to stud to Yukon but then is two faced on the forums.
Typical scammer!
You all hate Heather and you hate her dogs and that is fine. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I think she will put out the best working german shepherds possible; however for two years it will be just a thought. In two years the dogs will prove themselves to be good or not good.
It is easy for each one to form and opinion and to hate hate hate; but with the lack of knowledge used to forum that hatred it is really sad!
It is clear that people here do not want to learn; they just want to follow the old members who can feed them anything and it will be believed.
On my ending post:
Schutzhund in North American is nothing more then a glorified sport
Schutzhund in Europe is taken much more seriously and although it is a sport; it is also valuable in the working world!
True working breeders do just that; work their dogs.
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Have a great day!
chickenlittle, the reason people asked her to rehome Yukon at the beginning of her rounds on the various forums was because she was going to have him put down. He was out of control and she didn't know how to handle him. According to the story, (which kept changing from day today) he'd snapped at one of her kids. He was peeing on her. He wasn't training well. Rather than 1: see her kids get hurt, and 2: have a dog put down only because the owner couldn't handle him, people suggested she rehome. Now that she has the best trainer in the world helping her, I'm sure that all is well.
Aside from all the other BS that went on, like telling everyone he was altered then finding out he wasn't, her ever changing stories and back pedalling caused her to lose all credibility with anyone who had considered her a reliable and well meaning forum member.
Aside from all the other BS that went on, like telling everyone he was altered then finding out he wasn't, her ever changing stories and back pedalling caused her to lose all credibility with anyone who had considered her a reliable and well meaning forum member.
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anyway, NO it is not the NORM for dog's to be ran off the field. Some people bend the rules and use soft helpers etc, to get their dogs "titled", but that is the people cheating that is the problem, not the test.
As for these other comments, I'll believe it when I see it. You should have started with tested and proven breeding stock in the beginning, but like most other stories in this, i'm sure it will change.
Being on or off a form does not make one a good trainer, handler, breeder etc. I and others have time to be on this pet forum and other boards as well and yet I have time to train, trial, certify, my dogs and others. Anyway, you should probably get back to mentoring, save us all from your board presence.
As for SchH being only good in Europe and not in the USA??? OK, most dogs that get run off the field, are imports, rushed thru training and sold overseas, by European breeders and trainers. In case you missed it, the USA won the WUSV last year, beating a tough teams from all over the world. Last years trial was in Denmark, with tough helpers pressuring the dogs and testing them. Winning the whole thing isn't too bad for a country that just has a glorified sport.
When used correctly, you tell a lot thru a SchH test. As i've said before, just because it is a sport, doesn't mean that YOU can't use it to really pressure and test dogs to find out what would be best bred to what. Go to a trial, score low if you want, but get the title and prove you're at least doing what you say you are. Talk is cheap.
I'll just assume at your lack of avoiding the question time and time again, that you and your alter ego have zero experience with any sport at any level. as for this "great" working dog breeder that you work with??? can I ask why almost all of his dogs have ZERO working certs or titles and come from mostly untitled, unproven showline GSD's??? OK, go pee on someone else's head and tell them it's raining OK. Later
As for these other comments, I'll believe it when I see it. You should have started with tested and proven breeding stock in the beginning, but like most other stories in this, i'm sure it will change.
Being on or off a form does not make one a good trainer, handler, breeder etc. I and others have time to be on this pet forum and other boards as well and yet I have time to train, trial, certify, my dogs and others. Anyway, you should probably get back to mentoring, save us all from your board presence.
As for SchH being only good in Europe and not in the USA??? OK, most dogs that get run off the field, are imports, rushed thru training and sold overseas, by European breeders and trainers. In case you missed it, the USA won the WUSV last year, beating a tough teams from all over the world. Last years trial was in Denmark, with tough helpers pressuring the dogs and testing them. Winning the whole thing isn't too bad for a country that just has a glorified sport.
When used correctly, you tell a lot thru a SchH test. As i've said before, just because it is a sport, doesn't mean that YOU can't use it to really pressure and test dogs to find out what would be best bred to what. Go to a trial, score low if you want, but get the title and prove you're at least doing what you say you are. Talk is cheap.
I'll just assume at your lack of avoiding the question time and time again, that you and your alter ego have zero experience with any sport at any level. as for this "great" working dog breeder that you work with??? can I ask why almost all of his dogs have ZERO working certs or titles and come from mostly untitled, unproven showline GSD's??? OK, go pee on someone else's head and tell them it's raining OK. Later
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And another thing, we don't say SCH is a sport because me or other members say so, is beacuase the SV (GSD club in germany) says so, in fact in germany is a must when a person is breeding one of parents has to have a least a level 1 SCH
I'm not completly shure what's goin whit this Heather person and her minoins, but it seems when someone strart a threat whit GSD safely beacuase they are chances someones start talking about it, even if the thread at the start haven't anytihing to do whit her.
Can a mod lock this please?
This fights are anoying.
I'm not completly shure what's goin whit this Heather person and her minoins, but it seems when someone strart a threat whit GSD safely beacuase they are chances someones start talking about it, even if the thread at the start haven't anytihing to do whit her.
Can a mod lock this please?
This fights are anoying.
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Well put whatzamatter!!!! Chickenlittle, I am pretty sure that Debbie Meloche wishes no ill on you or Heather, and can secure that there was never a intention to breed any of her dogs to Yukon, now and or at anytime.
There's to many exceptional dogs out there between Amherstburg and Ottawa.... No one would even consider the trip or spend the money to breed to Yukon. To many lies attached there!!!!!
! As far as the SPCA and Brockville is concern, it's written in the books. Anyone can research that area when necessary.''''''
I believe that there are a few SCH trials coming up, why not get that dog and your other dogs tested. I pretty sure everyone will get a laugh, I know we will. Latter
Well put whatzamatter!!!! Chickenlittle, I am pretty sure that Debbie Meloche wishes no ill on you or Heather, and can secure that there was never a intention to breed any of her dogs to Yukon, now and or at anytime.
There's to many exceptional dogs out there between Amherstburg and Ottawa.... No one would even consider the trip or spend the money to breed to Yukon. To many lies attached there!!!!!
! As far as the SPCA and Brockville is concern, it's written in the books. Anyone can research that area when necessary.''''''
I believe that there are a few SCH trials coming up, why not get that dog and your other dogs tested. I pretty sure everyone will get a laugh, I know we will. Latter
Why would any reputable working breeder go play in the sports field?
Debbie you are so full of crap!
How would you know what ill will there is or was? Unless you are her!
Stop wasting such valuable time!
Now couple of facts to think about that might help you figure out Debbie Meloche's lies here:
#1}Heather is 100% rescuing and still very active in rescuing. 11 rescues on the property as we speak.
#2} By Law Officer of Prescott Ontario was by Heather's and did tell her two dogs only. He failed to check with his boss as business licenses and non profit had been applied for and approved. They have now been issued and other then providing a small hassle of having to remove dogs to a friends Mine} kennel for a few days things are all still up and running.
#3} dogs muzzled...what dogs? The dogs do not get crated so not even sure where that came from.
There are 6X6 kennels each with out door runs attached for all kennel dogs. House dogs live in the house.
#4}Breeding program shut down....Ebony and Yukon tied today actually for the breeding of the very first working litter.
#5} Why were puppy ads removed? None left to sell.
Why were deposit ads removed? Heather has four and will not accept anymore at my advice until puppies are on the ground.
Why are stud ads removed? Debbie Meloche won't stop responding and she is not getting a piece of this quality stud. Not with her bitchs; one who has seizures but she breeds her anyway.
Now again SPCA news: Never been on the property but they are always welcome. The one you would likely call for Heather's area is the Leeds and Grenville Branch in Brockville Ontario! Google search and their contact information will come up.
OPP: The Garry cop you called Debbie was not the one who helps Heather and myself with training. Nice try but get your names straight. You called Mr Slutyman; it is Garry Sleethman! Garry is not a master trainer and no one claimed that either.
The township Heather lives in is The Town Of Prescott, south grenville!
Not Brockville, not North Agusta, not Elizabeth town.
If you wish to see her breeding website
http://lilmegshepherds.piczo.com
She still has Yukon, Ebony! Hope is a co own! Ava is for sale as her owner is not happy with her. There will be a cash payout to Heather as she co owned for breeding rights only. This is between Lori and Heather not me.
You may email Lori at [email protected]
for information on the co owns!
Glory the mutt mix purchased from Debbie Meloche was given away on the condition the basket case was spayed. She has been! That was the biggest scam ever and Heather believed every word that scam artist told her.
If anyone wishes to contact me for information or to discuss further
[email protected]
I am slow to respond due to being busy training and mentoring.
You can contact Heather through her website.
Be careful of what is read on this website
http://shepherdscountryhavenandrescue.com
They as well breed their rescues; the father of the availabe litter is a rescue. Their new stud Ruben is a rescue!
I bid you a good day with one final thought....BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU BELIEVE; VERY LITTLE ON THE INTERNET AND ON ANY FORUM IS TRUE!
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Actually, there are many reputable working breeders "playing" in Schutzhund. As it was pointed out earlier, though Schutzhund is considered a sport by many, it is still a good test of courage, nerves and overall temperament. The people who like to criticize are usually the ones sitting on the sidelines, not the people actually putting in the work and proving it on the field.
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The same reason they have for the past 100 years, to prove their breeding stock against a standard. To weed out the ones that are serious and those that are pretenders. To show off what they've done, to have a friendly competition between friends and peers. There's thousands of reasons to be on the field at least once in a dog's career before breeding. And don't you find it odd that almost every single reputable breeder of working dogs does just that??? Tests and shows their dogs?? or at least started that way for many years?? The GSD has the reputation built on that, and you know better to change the rules?? OK
Let me ask you this, what reason do you have NOT to present a dog on a field???
Let me ask you this, what reason do you have NOT to present a dog on a field???
I am more than positive that I am not your friend! I can secure that! I know for sure that your friend has much better things to do than waste her time with you, your dogs or DRAMA!!!
Her dogs are doing wonder's with the Police Services that she donated them too. The differance between her and you, she knows what she is doing, with that the job gets done!
The subject is this:: Heather Sam, Yuckaduck you go do your thing, as you seem to think you know it all!
No one wants anything to do with you or will bother you if you don't bother them. No one gives a dam!!!!! If they do its for the animals and not you and your story telling!!!!!
Her dogs are doing wonder's with the Police Services that she donated them too. The differance between her and you, she knows what she is doing, with that the job gets done!
The subject is this:: Heather Sam, Yuckaduck you go do your thing, as you seem to think you know it all!
No one wants anything to do with you or will bother you if you don't bother them. No one gives a dam!!!!! If they do its for the animals and not you and your story telling!!!!!